65nm GPU is cheaper than 90nm 480mm2.While this, in itself, isn't remarkable, the fact that NVIDIA is pricing this card between $200 and $250 is. Essentially, we've been given a revised high end part at midrange prices. The resulting card, the 8800 GT, essentially cannibalizes a large chunk of NVIDIA's own DX10 class hardware lineup.
980ti came out one year ago. If 1070 = 980ti then this represents a huge undercut of their own products which are no doubt still selling well. What is the largest discount Nvidia has ever offered to undercut their own card that has been on the market for 12 months? I think either the 1070 = 980 for $300, or the 1070 = 980ti for $450. Or it scales somewhere inbetween. I doubt they are going to offer anything more reasonable in terms of value. Why should they?
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65nm GPU is cheaper than 90nm 480mm2.
16nm will be cheaper than 28nm 600mm2 even with the higher wafer & FINFET transistor costs.
And the GTX970 was better than anything nVidia had on the market - for $329.
nVidia has no problem to undercut their older generations. And it makes sense for them because a GP104 with 310mm^2 will be much cheaper to produce than a GM200 with 600m^2 and a 384bit interface.
faster than what? a refrence 980ti or the most OC version available now?They should release a special driver or some sort of firmware that makes the 980ti 35% faster. This should be free and this needs to happen. This should happen each year so I don't have to upgrade as often.
For me it's going to be bandwidth driven. I want to be able to game at a consistent frame rate at 4K. If that doesn't happen this year, then next years product line will have my money.
The beginning of June will be a very expensive time for me with Pascal and Broadwell-E releasing at the same time.
The 980 edged the original Titan by a small margin in terms of performance.
A lifetime use purchase price. New business model.
Nvidia has office in Toronto and San Francisco is close to Santa Clara where Nvidia is located.
Seems many people on these boards would disagree with this, cause apparently new node is expensive as **** and yields are terrible.
I'm mind boggled people still keep worrying about memory bandwidth after seeing cards like the 980 or the 980ti.Of course higher bandwidth is required for more pixel pushing, but I have been happy to disregard paper specs of any product I've ever bought and only focus on real-world performance. The 390X has 384 gb/s bandwidth but can essentially only match a reference-speed 224 gb/s GTX 980 at 4k. When both are overclocked, the GTX 980 wins easily at any resolution, despite the massive bandwidth deficit.
Ignore paper specs and focus on actual game performance for whatever product you're interested in buying.
I'm mind boggled people still keep worrying about memory bandwidth after seeing cards like the 980 or the 980ti.
Wow fury x was a king at memory bandwidth king so best card ever right? Lol Jesus man I'm in your boat. I'm not worrying about any stupid paper spec. If it doesn't perform no paper specs will save you.
Nvidia has office in Toronto and San Francisco is close to Santa Clara where Nvidia is located.
what has the launch anything to do with the drivers department? they are working regardless of whatever its going on with the rest of the companyWhy? If you sell the Titan Xs for $650-700 each, 4x1080 cards will cost $0 to upgrade. If you bought your 5960X at MicroCenter, if you sell it for $700, that's what $200-250 loss in resale value. Overall, this upgrade will cost you very little in the grand scheme of your system cost. :thumbsup:
In modern games, which is what I presume gamers who use cutting edge GPUs play, 980 destroys the OG Titan. It's not even close.
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Once NV launches Pascal, it will refocus its drivers on that architecture. Add to that improved tessellation performance of the new architecture, and most likely superior DX12 performance, it shouldn't be out of the question that 1080 OC will outperform 980Ti OC by 25-30% at 1440p/4K. I think for Titan X/980Ti owners, it's going to be a very safe way to reinvest the resale value even if GP104 is a stop-gap solution. It's better than holding on to Maxwell that will continue depreciating, using more power and getting worse drivers (most likely).
Even if NV/AMD supported older cards just as well as newer cards, the depreciation on flagship cards alone almost always makes it worthwhile to dump them before new cards launch, regardless if the newer cards are upper-mid-range or flagship. It's far worse holding on to a $650-700 card that could plummet to $400-450 in resale value the week 1080 launches.
Amazon already has after-market 980Ti for $540, new. The longer 980Ti/Titan X owners wait to sell their cards, the less resale value they'll get. That's why NV's new strategy of bifurcating a generation is so brilliant. Even if we hate the idea of paying $550-600 for mid-range sub-330mm2 die GP104, it still makes sense to sell last gen's flagship due to Total Cost of Ownership. NV knows this.
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Without Vega competition, NV can easily raise the price of 1070 to $399-449 and 1080 to $599-649 and get favourable reviews because each respective card will offer superior price/performance and perf/watt against ALL $400-650 cards currently on the market.