The 1% and their money

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SparkyJJO

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USA is not special. If every other developed nation can do this, there's no reason the US can't.

Another example of boosting the middle class is to subsidize day care. Not having to spend 10k/year on day care means there's an extra 10k/year to stimulate the economy.


So now you're advocating for unions and higher wages? Fascinating.

Daycare? That is YOUR choice to pay that absurd $10k a year. Don't want to spend that money? Raise your own kids at home instead of demanding someone else pay for it instead
 

Nintendesert

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Daycare? That is YOUR choice to pay that absurd $10k a year. Don't want to spend that money? Raise your own kids at home instead of demanding someone else pay for it instead



Yeah no shit. Having kids is a personal decision and should be met with personal responsibility.
 

berzerker60

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Jul 18, 2012
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Yeah, single mother, just stay home and raise your own kids while simultaneously getting an MBA and moving to a new city so you can pull yourself up to the top 1% by hard work, that's a realistic policy expectation!

Yeah no shit. Having kids is a personal decision and should be met with personal responsibility.
Not all rational plans work out. Sometimes breadwinners die. Sometimes they abandon. The point of a social safety net is that everyone knows that when life screws them over they'll be able to pull themselves back up rather than ending up in poverty with malnourished kids who then don't reach their potential and have even MORE trouble pulling themselves up.
 
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Nintendesert

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Yeah, single mother, just stay home and raise your own kids while simultaneously getting an MBA and moving to a new city so you can pull yourself up to the top 1% by hard work, that's a realistic policy expectation!



OH WOW. I guess all those decades of tearing down the worth of a man and a husband don't have the benefits to society that the extreme feminist movement thought. :awe:
 

berzerker60

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OH WOW. I guess all those decades of tearing down the worth of a man and a husband don't have the benefits to society that the extreme feminist movement thought. :awe:
Or single father, whatever. It's incredibly naive and willfully ignorant to pretend that all families will have stable, mutually supportive parents. Sometimes parents die - go talk to the many widows of recent wars. Sometimes parents become financial liabilities at no fault of either of them - go talk to the wives of veterans with PTSD and ongoing medical issues. Sometimes men abandon their families, and sometimes women abandon theirs, at no fault to the other. But I guess a woman should take "personal responsibility" and stick with an abusive or negligent husband because otherwise she'll fall into poverty and not be able to take care of her kids. There's compassionate conservatism for you.
 

Nintendesert

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Or single father, whatever. It's incredibly naive and willfully ignorant to pretend that all families will have stable, mutually supportive parents. Sometimes parents die - go talk to the many widows of recent wars. Sometimes parents become financial liabilities at no fault of either of them - go talk to the wives of veterans with PTSD and ongoing medical issues.



Oh please. Those cases are the small minority.
 

Zivic

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You're right. We should use the American model of doing things. Half of your disposable income goes to health insurance and the other half goes to day care. w00t for having no spendable cash! Nothing stimulates the economy more than living paycheck to paycheck and not being able to buy anything.

Not having to pay for either of those, a lot of my money goes directly into job creation. Buying stuff on amazon creates good paying jobs in warehousing and transportation. Buying a car whenever I feel like it creates high paying jobs in manufacturing. When money stays in the hands of rich people, it doesn't accomplish those things. Guys like Romney don't spend their money; they save it and stash it away. How does stashing it away create jobs? How does holding millions of dollars in foreign accounts create jobs?


I'll take a new bentley with my free healthcare and daycare. a black on black continental GT; afterall it will stimulate the economy and I need a way to get my kid to daycare
 

xj0hnx

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The point of a social safety net is that everyone knows that when life screws them over they'll be able to pull themselves back up


Can you please get that memo to all the people using the net as a blanket?
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Can you please get that memo to all the people using the net as a blanket?

*cough*
Greece
*cough*

The safety net is there. No poor people are dieing in the streets, they have all they need provided by the working folks.

Get, the FUCK to work.
 

berzerker60

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Jul 18, 2012
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Someone is going to abuse any good service ever created. You can't let emotionally irritating anecdotes of welfare queens blind you to the huge problem in our country that poverty represents, and the moral and policy necessity of working to improve things. It's like the mandate to drug test welfare recipients in Florida, which only ended up costing taxpayers MORE money because of the low number of positives and high cost of testing - it's cutting off the nose to spite the face. Yes, people abuse welfare, though not nearly so much as conservatives seem to imagine - crusades against waste have been going on for decades now. That doesn't mean we need to cut back on welfare, unless it's clear that the new policies you're proposing will do more to help the economy and welfare of the citizens of America than the harm it creates.

Poverty used to be one of our bipartisan, national priorities, back before evangelicals completely abandoned Christianity in their politics. One of Reagan's most proud accomplishments was reducing the tax burden on the poor, Johnson made huge strides in the Great Society, even Bush II talked about 'compassionate conservatism.' Now privileged libertarians just piss down on the poor with talk of bootstraps and the mythical welfare queen.

Besides that, it's an economic necessity. Give money to the poor and it's going to buy food, rent, let's be stereotypical and even say cigarettes and booze. All of those are local purchases which ripple through our economy. Give another tax break to millionaires and it's going to investments in China and bank accounts in Switzerland. That's why food stamps are such a hugely productive stimulus tool, in addition to being the right thing to do morally.

As with all things, this can obviously go too far. Too much water will kill you as surely as no water. That doesn't discredit drinking water as a generally healthy activity.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Poverty is not a problem in the us.

Period. Basic necessities are provided.

Being poor and hungry is a hell of a motivator to get the fuck to work.

I make damn good money. Guess what I had for dinner tonight? Rice, beans, greens and ham hock. Well be eating off this for the week.
 
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I'll take a new bentley with my free healthcare and daycare. a black on black continental GT; afterall it will stimulate the economy and I need a way to get my kid to daycare

Technically it would, although i get where you are coming from
 

Pr0d1gy

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Jan 30, 2005
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Yes. How dare I provide for myself and save money. The audacity of it all.

The issue I am pointing out is that it seems like every rich loser in this country is a cheap little bitch. Maybe that is why our country is the way it is now. There are a bunch of cheap fucks running it into the ground and there appears to be no end in sight. Go choke on that ham cock on Thursday. Do the world a favor.
 

nehalem256

Lifer
Apr 13, 2012
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Yeah, single mother, just stay home and raise your own kids while simultaneously getting an MBA and moving to a new city so you can pull yourself up to the top 1% by hard work, that's a realistic policy expectation!

Not all rational plans work out. Sometimes breadwinners die. Sometimes they abandon. The point of a social safety net is that everyone knows that when life screws them over they'll be able to pull themselves back up rather than ending up in poverty with malnourished kids who then don't reach their potential and have even MORE trouble pulling themselves up.

Lets be honest. When talking about single mothers who are single mothers because their husband died. We are talking about the 1%.

But of course that won't stop liberals from using them to as an excuse to force other to subsidize their feminist agenda.
 

berzerker60

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Jul 18, 2012
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Yeah, all those 1%er veterans' widows. Support our troops, as long as it doesn't cost us money or cut into our preconceived political fantasies.
 

nehalem256

Lifer
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Yeah, all those 1%er veterans' widows. Support our troops, as long as it doesn't cost us money or cut into our preconceived political fantasies.

By 1% it should have been clear that I was referring to the fact that "1%" of single mothers are single mothers because their husband died.
 

buckshot24

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This is one thing I can gladly support liberals on: Tax penalties for outsourcing. And it should be a substantial one as well. There isn't a single ounce of this that wouldn't help the economy (correct me if I'm wrong - I'd love to here any opposing sides that I am missing or don't know of)
Except you're forcing companies to run at a higher cost. Companies being more efficient helps the economy more than forcing them to be more inefficient.

The same idea you're proposing here was tried with the steel industry and it failed miserably.
 

mikegg

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Jan 30, 2010
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Edited my post to include middle/lower class. You're all right. I really meant that the tax revenue ends up in the hands of both the middle and lower class.
 

rchiu

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Edited my post to include middle/lower class. You're all right. I really meant that the tax revenue ends up in the hands of both the middle and lower class.

You still got it wrong after your edit. Tax revenue doesn't end up in the hands of the people, it's in the hand of IRS and the government. And you think government will use the money wisely and really stimulate the economy? lol. If government were smart, fiscally responsible and use money wisely, we wouldn't be in this hole the first place.
 
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