The $145 Million CEO

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JSt0rm

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A quick glance shows that McKesson does over $100B a year in revenue. This guys compensation averages out to $57M/yr. That's 0.05% of the companies revenue. Barely a scratch in their financials.

Another way to look at is that they employ (according to Wikipedia) roughly 32,500 employees. This means that he makes about $1,750 per person the company employs. He just employs a lot of people. If the average small business owner only made $1,700 per employee they wouldn't be able to feed their family. So this CEO actually is riding less on the backs of his employees than the guy that owns the little shop the left would call an ethical businessman.

Finally, if you took away everything from this man, everything he had ever collected in incom and redistributed it, each American would receive about $2 plus change. Now spread that payment out over 13 years. Less than $0.20/yr. The average American probably loses more change than that in seat cushions.

Is it a lot of money? Sure. But put it in perspective. The left loves to demonize CEO compensation, but in the grand scheme of things there are far worse problems with our economy.

I agree with boberfett D:
 

Dulanic

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CEOs are the 1%s entitlement crowd. Don't give me the public doesn't pay for it bullshit either as we pay for it with higher prices.
 
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Bowfinger

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To the 1%er whiners here, only ordinary workers are hard working people who deserve to be fantastically rewarded for their wonderful efforts. Every CEO is overpaid and should be paid what we want them to be paid, not what their company's board of directors agrees to. We're entitled to determine their pay, not because we're shareholders or members of the boards of these companies, but because we don't like the fact that they make more money than we do.
Wow, you're in full-blown straw man mode today. The issue is not "fantastically rewarding" workers. It's simply rewarding them proportionately, letting them share in the success they create for their companies. A quick look at the data shows America prospered under this formula for decades, building a vibrant economy and a healthy middle class.

The advent of the Reagan era of greed changed this formula, with the elite few shutting their workers out of their companies' growth and success. Indeed, they increasingly fueled their companies' prosperity at the expense of workers while greedily grabbing more and more for themselves. Simultaneously they've increased their corruption of our government, tipping the playing field on its side to their favor to accelerate the concentration of America's wealth in their hands.

You can pretend this hasn't happened all you want, but the data is quite clear. As America has prospered over the last 30 years, the rich have gotten phenomenally richer while the middle class has lost ground.
 

senseamp

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I agree with boberfett D:

This is a publicly owned company, the CEO does not employ anyone, he is an employee of the company, and with the help of board members like himself, he's fleecing the company at the expense of other employees benefits and the company's shareholders.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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This is a publicly owned company, the CEO does not employ anyone, he is an employee of the company, and with the help of board members like himself, he's fleecing the company at the expense of other employees benefits and the company's shareholders.

Oh somebody said it was a private company.
 

Lemon law

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Now lets say we have a totally equal competitor to Hammergren competing in the same market, and right away Hammergren loses 50% of its net sales to company X. And company X is equally well run, except its CEO gets only 10% of executive compensation of
Hammergren. Therefore company X can sell its products at a lower price, as over time, company X's net sales increase and Hammergren's overall sales fall. It ain't rocket science folks, to predict Hammergren will go bankrupt given more time.

I also love the right wing assumption that the higher the CEO pay, the better a company is run. As the financial news is littered with articles of companies firing its overpaid execs because they don't know how to run a business. And then go out and hire a new CEO they pay even more, and get even worse results.
 

TallBill

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I don't care what my managers make, I don't care what our corporate guys make, I don't care what my CEO makes.

I only care about how much money I make and what I can do to increase that.
 

dmcowen674

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Hammergren enjoys his success and pay on the backs of people like my father who work for McKesson. The company takes advantage of my dad's insane work ethic (farm boy who had to run the family farm all on his own at age 12 because his father was an alcoholic) by throwing so many projects at him he has to put in 70 hours per week to complete them. At age 58, he can't just get a different job since not many companies need his mainframe computer skills anymore and few would hire someone so close to retirement, although it hasn't stopped him from looking.

As a reward for working 70 hours a week for the last 4 months and averaging 50 hours per week for all of 2011, he received a $1,000 bonus and 4 hours of PTO. It was a slap in the face. In essence, he worked all that overtime for $0.86/hour.

Meanwhile, one of the senior VPs of the company sends internal emails to the entire region telling them all about vacations he and his family take.

Despite my father's warnings about making him work so hard and not training a backup nothing was done to ease his work load. A month ago dad began to have terrible headaches and found a blood vessel had burst in his head causing a subdural hematoma. Thankfully after 2 brain surgeries the blood was drained and the vessel repaired and he is recovering well.

Saw your post in ATOT a while back on this. Glad he recovered.
 

Bowfinger

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Another way to look at is that they employ (according to Wikipedia) roughly 32,500 employees. This means that he makes about $1,750 per person the company employs. He just employs a lot of people. If the average small business owner only made $1,700 per employee they wouldn't be able to feed their family. So this CEO actually is riding less on the backs of his employees than the guy that owns the little shop the left would call an ethical businessman.
Think about that for a minute. Assuming your numbers are right (I did not verify), that's a huge expense. That means he personally is adding 2.5% to 3% to employee overhead (depending on average employee salary). One guy, by himself, 2.5% to 3%. Try going to your CEO and suggesting a new benefit that adds 3% to payroll and see how far you get thrown out the door.


Finally, if you took away everything from this man, everything he had ever collected in incom and redistributed it, each American would receive about $2 plus change. Now spread that payment out over 13 years. Less than $0.20/yr. The average American probably loses more change than that in seat cushions.

Is it a lot of money? Sure. But put it in perspective. The left loves to demonize CEO compensation, but in the grand scheme of things there are far worse problems with our economy.
Sorry, that's a completely specious analysis. How is it at all relevant? Would you make the same argument for Bernie Madoff, that it was only a buck or two per year per person over the 35 years he ran his scam?
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Now lets say we have a totally equal competitor to Hammergren competing in the same market, and right away Hammergren loses 50% of its net sales to company X. And company X is equally well run, except its CEO gets only 10% of executive compensation of
Hammergren. Therefore company X can sell its products at a lower price, as over time, company X's net sales increase and Hammergren's overall sales fall. It ain't rocket science folks, to predict Hammergren will go bankrupt given more time.

I also love the right wing assumption that the higher the CEO pay, the better a company is run. As the financial news is littered with articles of companies firing its overpaid execs because they don't know how to run a business. And then go out and hire a new CEO they pay even more, and get even worse results.
If you read the whole article, it doesn't even sound like he's run the company that well. While their core business has remained solid, they've apparently spent billions trying unsuccessfully to expand into surgical supplies and technology. The article also shows McKesson's stock performance has been pretty run of the mill over the last decade or so. Finally, the article contrasts McKesson with one of its competitors, AmerisourceBergen. AmerisourceBergen had better overall performance with a CEO earning about $7.4M per year.
 
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Bowfinger

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In that vein, here are some interesting bits from the article:
In this case, the board kept giving him more stock and more options. The premise of options is that they give nonfounders a sense of ownership in an enterprise, yet boards of directors at companies like McKesson hand them out liberally as compensation rather than a motivational tool. The company spells it all out in a document that by law it must file annually with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Called the “proxy statement,” it discloses what McKesson and other publicly traded companies pay their top executives. In 2011, McKesson awarded Hammergren $12 million in stock and another 300,000 stock options—a reward the company valued at more than $7 million. The year before, it was 400,000 options and $11 million in stock. The proxy statement shows that Hammergren holds nearly 1 million options that have yet to vest on top of $129 million in McKesson stock.


“As far as I’m concerned, a board that keeps loading up its chief executive with more stock and options each year is, from a shareholder perspective, basically committing theft,” says Albert Meyer, a former accounting professor who runs a money-management firm called Bastiat Capital. It’s all legal, of course, but to Meyer you can tell if an enterprise exists for the benefit of shareholders or insiders by the number of options it awards its top executives. Options aren’t free; they dilute the worth of everyone’s shares. And the practice hurts more than the privileged few. Anyone who owns an index fund of the country’s 500 largest companies owns shares in McKesson, a Fortune 500 company. “It’s nothing short of a massive wealth transfer from the retirement accounts of middle-class Americans to a privileged few,” hidden in the guise of stock-option programs like McKesson’s, Meyer argues.
Re. Hammergren's leadership failures:
By all accounts, Hammergren has done a topnotch job managing the company’s core business: the delivery of prescription drugs and other medicines to hospitals, nursing homes, and large retail chains like Walmart and Rite Aid. Less impressive, though, have been his efforts to broaden the company’s offerings, starting with the lucrative health-technology business. Hammergren seems to have a great personal interest in technology. He wrote (“with Phil Harkin,” according to the cover) Skin in the Game, a book published in 2008 that explores ways technology is set to revolutionize health care. But whether this has translated into big wins for the company is another question. A “horrific job,” one Wall Street analyst said of McKesson’s attempts to emerge as a tech leader in the health field. “This is a company that has thrown billions of dollars at a health-technology unit that has missed its targets probably 80 to 90 percent of the time over the last 10 years.” In December, the company announced it was pulling the plug on another of its big tech initiatives, declaring a billion-dollar do-over.


Equally disappointing, says a second analyst (both requested anonymity, fearing reprisals from the company), have been McKesson’s failed attempts to grow into a big player in the surgical-supply business—a natural growth area given the company’s existing business. “Basically, they lost money for eight years,” the second analyst says—until selling the business to a rival a few years ago. Another blow to the company’s bottom line: the $442 million it has set aside to settle a class-action lawsuit that health plans brought against it, charging that McKesson was part of a scheme to drive up the price of prescription drugs. (Despite a settlement a consumer-health-care site describes as “one of the largest” in drug-litigation history, McKesson denied any wrongdoing.)
And finally, re. stock performance:
McKesson’s stock has performed well, despite these setbacks. Shares in McKesson jumped 22 percent during its most recent fiscal year, ending March 2011. That beats a 19 percent rise generally for health-care stocks and a 16 percent gain for the S&P. It’s true, as the proxy statement claims, that shareholders investing in McKesson under Hammergren’s tenure would have done very well financially. But then compare McKesson’s stock performance with that of its fellow behemoths. It placed 275th when Fortune, in its annual rankings of the country’s 500 biggest companies, looked at stock performance in 2010. The company fared better in a comparison of the 10-year performance of the country’s largest 500 corporations; the 7.7 percent annual return to McKesson shareholders between 2000 and 2010 ranked it 172nd. Still, that lagged behind the 11.3 percent annual return enjoyed by investors in AmerisourceBergen, one of McKesson’s main competitors in the drug-distribution business.


AmerisourceBergen is run by R. David Yost, who has served as the company’s CEO since 2001. Like Hammergren, Yost earns the kind of outsize compensation package that had people taking to the streets this fall. A base salary of $1.26 million ($24,000 a week), $600,000 in stock awards, $1 million in stock options, a cash bonus of $3.5 million. His pension increased in value by $800,000, and he received $155,000 worth of perks—mainly additions to his 401(k) but also a $10,000 car allowance and $315 toward “airline club and other dues." All in, $7.4 million. Hammergren, by contrast, hasn’t been paid less than $9 million a year since the late 1990s, before he became CEO, according to the company’s proxy statement.
So while Hammergren has done fairly well, he certainly hasn't delivered spectacular performance.
 

SamurAchzar

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What you mob don't understand is that its not a matter of right or wrong, of performance or costs. By law, the only people the CEO has to answer to are the shareholders. He's not appointed by the customers, employees or general public.
If the shareholders are happy with him - and I don't know how their market index is doing but they've seem to have done well since he was appointed - that's none of our business how the company is run.

The only people this CEO has to answer to are shareholders, which can remove him as needed or simply move on to another stock. Really folks, it's a god damn public company, just sell the stock if you don't like the CEO performance.

There's a single judge for CEO performance: it is not the general public, not any dubious self made laws of morality and not even employee satisfaction: it's the stock performance over a long period of time.
Actually their P/E ratio is pretty high up there for such a company, meaning the shareholders expect this company to even do better and appreciate over time. Sounds to me like they're pretty happy.

Now I want to see which of you hyenas pick a stock for their personal investment by the way the CEO is compensated or by how fairly employees are treated
 

JSt0rm

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Now I want to see which of you hyenas pick a stock for their personal investment by the way the CEO is compensated or by how fairly employees are treated

I'm opting to invest in myself. 0 dollars in the market.
 

SamurAchzar

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If you read the whole article, it doesn't even sound like he's run the company that well. While their core business has remained solid, they've apparently spent billions trying unsuccessfully to expand into surgical supplies and technology. The article also shows McKesson's stock performance has been pretty run of the mill over the last decade or so. Finally, the article contrasts McKesson with one of its competitors, AmerisourceBergen. AmerisourceBergen had better overall performance with a CEO earning about $7.4M per year.

This might be true, but who are you (or me) to tell their shareholders who to appoint as CEO and how much to pay him? It's essentially their money and they can choose. Responsibility, folks; the government can't take care of your interests all of the time.
 

Bowfinger

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What you mob don't understand is that its not a matter of right or wrong ...
You are exactly wrong. It is entirely a matter of right and wrong. Nobody is suggesting this is illegal. The issue is that it is morally wrong, and another example of how the elite few have gamed the system to skim America's wealth from the working class to themselves.
 

Bowfinger

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This might be true, but who are you (or me) to tell their shareholders who to appoint as CEO and how much to pay him? It's essentially their money and they can choose. Responsibility, folks; the government can't take care of your interests all of the time.
Maybe in Fantasyland. In the real world, average shareholders have effectively no influence over such matters. Indeed, the vast majority of shareholders don't even realize they are shareholders because their shares are buried in various funds. In order to change this, we first have to call attention to just how exploitative the current system is, with its cronyism and interlocking directorates.
 

SamurAchzar

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You are exactly wrong. It is entirely a matter of right and wrong. Nobody is suggesting this is illegal. The issue is that it is morally wrong, and another example of how the elite few have gamed the system to skim America's wealth from the working class to themselves.

For as long as shareholders have a multitude of mechanisms to change the CEO or his compensation and elect not to use them, it's none of our business. They can have a general meeting and fire him, they can appoint different directors or tell the current ones to stop supporting his compensation, they can sell the stock and they can file lawsuits against the directors if they think the company is grossly mismanaged or that they are operating against the shareholders best interests. Or they can sell the stock or, if they think the CEO is driving the company to the ground, they can even short the stock.
The compensation is not secret - the details are widely available in SEC filings - and no one is hiding anything from anyone. It's all on the table.

Are you saying the shareholders need government or public protection from the big bad CEO because they simply aren't smart enough to pick the right stock?
 

Bowfinger

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For as long as shareholders have a multitude of mechanisms to change the CEO or his compensation and elect not to use them, it's none of our business. They can have a general meeting and fire him, they can appoint different directors or tell the current ones to stop supporting his compensation, they can sell the stock and they can file lawsuits against the directors if they think the company is grossly mismanaged or that they are operating against the shareholders best interests. Or they can sell the stock or, if they think the CEO is driving the company to the ground, they can even short the stock.
The compensation is not secret - the details are widely available in SEC filings - and no one is hiding anything from anyone. It's all on the table.
Again, that's all true in Fantasyland. Not so much in the real world.


Are you saying the shareholders need government or public protection from the big bad CEO because they simply aren't smart enough to pick the right stock?
I'm saying the corruption is pervasive. It has absolutely zero to do with picking the "right" stock.
 

SamurAchzar

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Again, that's all true in Fantasyland. Not so much in the real world.

True, and the reason it normally doesn't happen in a real world is that most of the time, for the little investor it's easier to just switch stocks or actually short the company if they think it's mismanaged, then to demand a change in management. It's a beautiful system. You won't find many areas in life where you can disassociate from - or even bet against - something you object.
 

senseamp

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It's a "beautiful system" that's been failing American middle class, but the middle class is catching on now.
 

Patranus

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Maybe he should restore pensions to the employees who made that happen, if the company is doing so great.

If the employees have marketable skills and do not like the terms of their contract then they are more than welcome to take their talents to another company
 

senseamp

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If the employees have marketable skills and do not like the terms of their contract then they are more than welcome to take their talents to another company

Run by another scumbag like this guy. The system is rigged against the middle class worker, it's becoming clear to everyone who is paying attention.
 
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