The 1st three years: WWII v. Iraq

[tommywishbone]

WWII

* Poland & France fell quickly.
* The Poles "invaded Germany, we were protecting our country."
* Puppet goverment set up quickly
* Trouble! Who are these pesky British fighting our troops?
* Perhaps America is supplying them with weapons?
* Resistance? Nonsense!
* Let's attack Russia... Good idea!
* Year four... this ain't working out too good.

Iraq

* Saddam & the Iraqi army fell quickly
* The Iraqi's "were going to use WMD's, we were protecting America."
* Paul Bremmer & Thugs set up quickly.
* Trouble! Who are these pesky insurgents fighting our troops?
* Perhaps Iran is supplying them with weapons?
* Civil War? Nonsense!
* Let's attack Iran... Good idea!
* Year four... this ain't working out too good.

 

[Red Dawn]

Yeah but the Dub ain't no Hitler..He's no Roosevelt, Truman or Mussolini either.

 

[bdude]

Your analogy is superficial and nonsensical.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bdude
Your analogy is superficial and nonsensical.

Yeah because Germany was at war for 6 years, not 4.

 

[tommywishbone]

Originally posted by: bdude
Your analogy is superficial and nonsensical.

I excel at nonsensical.

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone

Originally posted by: bdude
Your analogy is superficial and nonsensical.

I excel at nonsensical.

That would be:


I excel at the nonsensical.

 

[digiram]

ROFL...gave me a good laugh OP

 

[alchemize]

The Russian Army didn't beat germany, the Russian winter did. That and stupid Hitler splitting his forces instead of focusing on Moscow.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: digiram
ROFL...gave me a good laugh OP

You need to get a new sense of humor then, it wasn't funny at all.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: digiram
ROFL...gave me a good laugh OP

You need to get a new sense of humor then, it wasn't funny at all.

It was humorous because it was so sad

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Interesting, but perhaps not quite the same.

 

[strummer]

Moscow was of no military importance. The real mistake was not capturing and securing the oil fields in the Caucasus. Lucky for us that Hitler had such a big ego.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: strummer
Moscow was of no military importance. The real mistake was not capturing and securing the oil fields in the Caucasus. Lucky for us that Hitler had such a big ego.

Heh. That was Hitler's reasoning too..."gotta get the oil!"

Moscow was of the ultimate military importance. Under the central economy, all the rail lines ran through Moscow. *All* material/food/troops traveled by rail in Russia. Capture the heart, the body dies. Logistics and supplies are everything in war.

The oil fields could have then been siezed at leisure.

 

[CallMeJoe]

alchemize is right about Moscow; it was the furthest east the rail system connected the northern and southern regions. Take and hold Moscow, and the USSR was split in two. Only half right about the Russian winter, though. Mussolini lost the war on the eastern front. His disastrous invasion of Greece forced the Germans to divert forces to operation Marita, delaying operation Barbarossa by approximately six weeks. Had the Germans gotten the invasion started on schedule, they would have been comfortably settled in the Kremlin before the first snows. Benito was the greatest asset we had short of Enigma.

Back OT, any comparisons between the Iraq fiasco and WW2 are strained at best.

 

[TRUMPHENT]

Originally posted by: alchemize
The Russian Army didn't beat germany, the Russian winter did. That and stupid Hitler splitting his forces instead of focusing on Moscow.

History doesn't agree with you. German field marshalls kept encountering new units of the Russian army that they never knew existed. One general said that everything they were told about Russia was wrong. Everything Chalabi said about Iraq was wrong. Everything Wolfowitz said about Iraq was wrong. Everything Bush and Cheney said about Iraq was and is wrong.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: alchemize
The Russian Army didn't beat germany, the Russian winter did. That and stupid Hitler splitting his forces instead of focusing on Moscow.

Hmm so I guess they have winter 365/24/7 for four years out there? riiight.. Not to mention Hitler invaded Russia in May.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The Russian people beat Hitler, every man, woman and child, with their sacrifice

 

[lyssword]

http://www.answers.com/topic/siege-of-leningrad

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bdude
Your analogy is superficial and nonsensical.

Yeah because Germany was at war for 6 years, not 4.

No, because the two situations couldn't be more different. For starters, Germany was lookin for permanent world domination. We're trying (ineptly, but we're trying) to complete our goal of erecting a secular democracy, before getting the hell out.

 

[judasmachine]

whereas i feel the analogy is silly, i do find it incredibly stupid to plan an invasion of iran when iraq is such a mess.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: alchemize
The Russian Army didn't beat germany, the Russian winter did. That and stupid Hitler splitting his forces instead of focusing on Moscow.

Oh please, if Japanese bombers bombed the Hawaiin strategic oil reserves intead of going after the useless Battleships, American would've started the Pacific theatre on the West Coast.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
whereas i feel the analogy is silly, i do find it incredibly stupid to plan an invasion of iran when iraq is such a mess.

Why not? We invaded Iraq when Afghanistan no longer held our interest.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: alchemize
The Russian Army didn't beat germany, the Russian winter did. That and stupid Hitler splitting his forces instead of focusing on Moscow.

Hmm so I guess they have winter 365/24/7 for four years out there? riiight.. Not to mention Hitler invaded Russia in May.

He invaded in May - unwisely postponed. A few more weeks earlier might have put him into Moscow also.

Russia has some nasty ass fall too - basically before they froze, it turned into a swamp. So the Russian fall landed the first blow

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: judasmachine
whereas i feel the analogy is silly, i do find it incredibly stupid to plan an invasion of iran when iraq is such a mess.

Why not? We invaded Iraq when Afghanistan no longer held our interest.

You're right lets invade tomorrow, I'm sure it'll be fine.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I`ll be damned if I am even going to discuss anything in this thread with these children who have no clue what actually happened during ww2 between germany and the Russians.

Out of those who have posted so far..TRUMPHENT and originalEarl...

Hitler's approach to Operation Barbarossa illustrates how unrealistic his thinking was and his total lack of understanding of the value of lives. Although before the Operation the fighting had gone quite well, he had advanced quite far from the East, Operation Barbarossa went wrong. He refused to let his troops retreat from Russia after the Operation had almost definitely failed, as he thought his troops were being cowards, although it was almost inevitable that they would suffer large losses and a massive defeat. The Russians used tactics where they burnt all German crops, killed all their animals and destroyed any buildings or shelter that there was, so that as the Germans were ordered not to retreat they had no way of getting food or shelter ...

Its very hard to fight and win a war where every man woman and child are fighting for there very lives....

You would have thought we learned out lesson in Vietnam...but thats another story..

Then we have people with no clue...I quote--Moscow was of no military importance. The real mistake was not capturing and securing the oil fields in the Caucasus