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But he was told to stop his car on the slowdown lap, and later the stewards ruled that, in contravention of the regulations, that had been because it lacked sufficient fuel to return to the pits. He was thus excluded from the times, but will be allowed to start from the back of the grid.

They knew they were flirting with exclusion. They took a risk, and lost.

http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2012/5/13344.html
 

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I wouldn't have expected a pole from Williams, and I certainly didn't see the race win coming. It's been a long dry spell for Williams, and I hope they can continue to challenge.

What a season so far!
 

satyajitmenon

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Awesome!!

5 races, 5 different winners (drivers and constructors)

Kimi oh so close... Another lap and he would've passed Alonso.
 
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Awesome!!

5 races, 5 different winners (drivers and constructors)

Kimi oh so close... Another lap and he would've passed Alonso.

catching and passing are 2 different things . no way was alonso going to let him by

i couldn't be happier for williams. i hope they can make it stick.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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catching and passing are 2 different things . no way was alonso going to let him by

i couldn't be happier for williams. i hope they can make it stick.

He wouldn't have had any choice. Lotus are the fastest cars when it comes to straight line speed and with DRS and KERS Kimi would've easily passed him had the race been one or two laps longer.

It was too late, though, and Lotus got their strategy wrong yet again. The only positives you can take from this is that, overall, Lotus have the quickest car on the grid and they have decent tyre degradation, not to mention great drivers. They're also the most consistent team, so even though they haven't won they're currently the ones accumulating the most points because both Kimi and Romain are finishing in the Top 5.

It's Lotus' strategy what's keeping them from winning a Grand Prix. In particular, Boullier's conformance with "only" wanting to be fourth in the Constructors' Championship and having two Top Ten (read: not Top 5) drivers. Clearly Kimi and Romain want to push and want to get great results, but Boullier's lack of aggressiveness and determination isn't helping the cause.
 
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http://en.espnf1.com/spain/motorsport/story/78583.html

Early reports suggested there were injuries and it was believed that the fire started after a KERS-related explosion. Television footage showed an intense fire rising at the back of the Williams garage, while a number of teams reacted to help. Four Williams mechanics and one from Force India are believed to be being treated at the circuit's medical centre.

Caterham's Heikki Kovalainen also tweeted: "Couple of our guys got injuries, burns and maybe one broken wrist, no news on Williams guys I hope they're ok".

A Caterham statement soon followed, reading: "All the team's employees have been accounted for and four people have been taken to the circuit medical centre for examination; one with a minor hand injury and three with respiratory issues."
 

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catching and passing are 2 different things . no way was alonso going to let him by

i couldn't be happier for williams. i hope they can make it stick.

Why I hate DRS. Alonso would have been unable to defend a hard fought for position.

Particularly at the end of the race when you've held the spot all race, you just have to sit and watch someone blow right by.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Why I hate DRS. Alonso would have been unable to defend a hard fought for position.

Particularly at the end of the race when you've held the spot all race, you just have to sit and watch someone blow right by.

DRS is made so that if you get overtaken you can use DRS on the next lap and regain your position. If you weren't able to do it [regain the position], it means your car was going much slower in the first place or you weren't pushing and you would've simply been blocking everyone behind you.

People that are typically against DRS are the same ones that were complaining some years ago about races being boring because of no overtaking. Now there's a solution to make everything much more competitive, and you whine about that.

Also, the Lotus would've still passed even without DRS in the straight.
 

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DRS is made so that if you get overtaken you can use DRS on the next lap and regain your position. If you weren't able to do it [regain the position], it means your car was going much slower in the first place or you weren't pushing and you would've simply been blocking everyone behind you.

People that are typically against DRS are the same ones that were complaining some years ago about races being boring because of no overtaking. Now there's a solution to make everything much more competitive, and you whine about that.

Also, the Lotus would've still passed even without DRS in the straight.

If you are fast enough to regain enough distance to use DRS on the next lap, you probably wouldn't have gotten passed on the lap prior.

I think I have seen a driver to a re-pass only a few times in total since DRS came in.

We've seen many great drives where a driver holds off a faster car lap after lap prior to DRS.

Sometimes the driver in front held out for a while, then the driver in back finally got the pass done.

Incredible action and great driving.

We'll probably never see it with DRS.

What we are getting now are some cars set up for that DRS straight, I think.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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If you are fast enough to regain enough distance to use DRS on the next lap, you probably wouldn't have gotten passed on the lap prior.

I think I have seen a driver to a re-pass only a few times in total since DRS came in.

We've seen many great drives where a driver holds off a faster car lap after lap prior to DRS.

Sometimes the driver in front held out for a while, then the driver in back finally got the pass done.

Incredible action and great driving.

We'll probably never see it with DRS.

What we are getting now are some cars set up for that DRS straight, I think.

You realize that makes absolutely no sense, right? With the new tires if you push hard you'll lose grip more dramatically, meaning if you're chasing someone for long and then you pass them the passed car has an opportunity to overtake because of less worn out tires. DRS also takes a role in that because, obviously, worn out tires equals lower cornering speed and the car that was passed can take advantage of that with DRS.

And the only driver on the grid who'd agree with you is perhaps Michael who is also against the new tires. A good driver takes what he's given and makes it work the best instead of whining about how x and x thing could be better.

Stop whining. This season has been one of the best in a decade, and people with your mentality were the ones whining about last season not having enough action. The FIA changed some rules to make everything much more competitive, and here you are complaining again.
 

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He wouldn't have had any choice. Lotus are the fastest cars when it comes to straight line speed and with DRS and KERS Kimi would've easily passed him had the race been one or two laps longer.

It was too late, though, and Lotus got their strategy wrong yet again. The only positives you can take from this is that, overall, Lotus have the quickest car on the grid and they have decent tyre degradation, not to mention great drivers. They're also the most consistent team, so even though they haven't won they're currently the ones accumulating the most points because both Kimi and Romain are finishing in the Top 5.

It's Lotus' strategy what's keeping them from winning a Grand Prix. In particular, Boullier's conformance with "only" wanting to be fourth in the Constructors' Championship and having two Top Ten (read: not Top 5) drivers. Clearly Kimi and Romain want to push and want to get great results, but Boullier's lack of aggressiveness and determination isn't helping the cause.

I still think the mclaren is the fastest car, but they keep shooting themselves in the foot. It's as if the team is being run by amateurs. If Ron Dennis was still running the show, mclaren would be leading both the drivers and constructors.
 

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Good race! I wanted to to see the Ferrari win but I'm happy for Williams... it's been far too long.

On to Monaco to see who wins the next Pirelli lottery!
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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I still think the mclaren is the fastest car, but they keep shooting themselves in the foot. It's as if the team is being run by amateurs. If Ron Dennis was still running the show, mclaren would be leading both the drivers and constructors.

You could say Lewis' car is the fastest on the grid, that's true. But Jenson's is definitely not, and it's "only" in the Top 10 when it comes to pace.

I'm saying that, as a team, Lotus have the fastest car: Lewis is clearly the fastest on the track, but right behind him is Kimi and Romain, so in terms of team race pace Lotus are looking the best. Their problem, again, is that at times they mess up their strategy one way or the other. This is also a problem for McLaren, albeit a bigger one.
 
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LOL_Wut_Axel

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Good race! I wanted to to see the Ferrari win but I'm happy for Williams... it's been far too long.

On to Monaco to see who wins the next Pirelli lottery!

Qualifying is gonna be absolutely crucial in Monaco because it's so narrow and overtaking is extremely limited, even with DRS and even if you have a considerably faster car. Cars can't push very hard because of the tires in the race, and aerodynamics (which are very important for todays' cars) won't be in play as much as other circuits because of the comparatively lower cornering speeds. If the weather is hot, I expect Monaco will be absolutely brutal on the Pirelli tires.

Here's to hoping yet again that Kimi gets the pole or at least a front row. Even if he doesn't, they'll still probably be able to keep up their current pace and I expect a direct three-way battle between Red Bull, McLaren, and Lotus. Kimi is already 4th in the Drivers' Championship and Lotus is 3rd in the Constructors'. But Eric Boullier seems to be incompetent, so that hurts the chances of an otherwise excellent team and car.
 

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You realize that makes absolutely no sense, right? With the new tires if you push hard you'll lose grip more dramatically, meaning if you're chasing someone for long and then you pass them the passed car has an opportunity to overtake because of less worn out tires. DRS also takes a role in that because, obviously, worn out tires equals lower cornering speed and the car that was passed can take advantage of that with DRS.

And the only driver on the grid who'd agree with you is perhaps Michael who is also against the new tires. A good driver takes what he's given and makes it work the best instead of whining about how x and x thing could be better.

Stop whining. This season has been one of the best in a decade, and people with your mentality were the ones whining about last season not having enough action. The FIA changed some rules to make everything much more competitive, and here you are complaining again.

They had DRS last season, and yes, I complained about it. I'm still complaining about it.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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They had DRS last season, and yes, I complained about it. I'm still complaining about it.

Then you're gonna have to keep complaining alone, because this coupled with the new tires and the ban on blown exhaust diffusers has made for much, much more competitive racing. Unlike the years of past we don't get to see a dull race with maybe 5 overtaking maneuvers and everyone staying in the position they started and the race being decided only by qualifying in most occasions.

But I guess some people enjoy boring races that are decided by your qualifying pace only.
 

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A guy I know posted on facebook that he was jelly of his mate - put £2 on Maldonado... at 990:1.
 

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Then you're gonna have to keep complaining alone, because this coupled with the new tires and the ban on blown exhaust diffusers has made for much, much more competitive racing. Unlike the years of past we don't get to see a dull race with maybe 5 overtaking maneuvers and everyone staying in the position they started and the race being decided only by qualifying in most occasions.

But I guess some people enjoy boring races that are decided by your qualifying pace only.

I don't want boring races. Why would anyone want boring races?

I want the exciting races of old.

I actually think we will see Red Bull, McLaren, and Ferrari take back the top end again this year, and the back markers will return to that status.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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I don't want boring races. Why would anyone want boring races?

I want the exciting races of old.

I actually think we will see Red Bull, McLaren, and Ferrari take back the top end again this year, and the back markers will return to that status.

That's what you've been alluding to in this thread.

It's especially funny to see you and others complain about DRS yet you forget the fact that "back in the day" cars had ABS. Not too long ago, they had Traction Control. Both of those are forms of driving aids, and they're banned, yet somehow DRS is worse than ABS and Traction Control? Right...

Well, you're wrong. Sorry. Ferrari don't have the car this year to win. You need a solid base/chassis to build upon, and Fernando himself has said the chassis they have isn't the best. The ones in contention to win this year are McLaren, Red Bull, and Lotus, and the three of them shouldn't have any problems when it comes to car development race.
 

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I would like it if the driver could control the wing at will. That would be great.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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I would like it if the driver could control the wing at will. That would be great.

They had control of the downforce of the front wing before either for higher cornering speed or more straight line speed, but DRS is more effective. The only problem is the limitation of when you can use it. There's KERS for straight line speed, though.
 
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