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LTC8K6

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I watched quali 3, saw the Mercs were more than 1 second faster than the rest, and didn't bother with the race.
 

redgtxdi

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I watched quali 3, saw the Mercs were more than 1 second faster than the rest, and didn't bother with the race.

While I would otherwise share your sentiment, I have to say today's race was actually pretty good. (especially the end)

Rosberg is RIGHT there!! I literally think that today was down to probably car setup. Just a slight tweak in Hamilton's favor. I know it's more theory than reality, but I'd like to see 2 dead-evenly matched cars going at it.

The Raikonnen/Alonso battle was good too.

Then for the Red Bull squad......Vettel performed amazingly to go from 15th to 4th and Ricciardo was finally able to podium.....(wonder what'd happened had Vettel qualified well)

And finally, yes, I still miss the V-8 scream! I can't get over that. F-1, television, etc....NOBODY has done enough to overcome the loss of the V-8 scream!!
 

JulesMaximus

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I was really hoping Nico Rosberg would be able to challenge Hamilton and I was kind of surprised he wasn't able to reel him in more quickly after their last stops.

It was a good race and I'm looking forward to Monaco in 2 weeks.

BTW-Mercedes is going to test a different exhaust this week that should be louder. I'm very interested to hear how that sounds... and yes, I too miss the V8 scream.
 

LTC8K6

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The team orders will kick in soon. There is always a #1 and #2 driver. If Lewis had finished 2nd in the Australian GP, he'd now have a 21 point lead. It's only a matter of time...

Lewis has won every race he has finished.

Rosberg is clearly #2 driver already, imo.

Monaco almost always goes to the pole sitter. Barring something weird, that will probably be Lewis.
 

JulesMaximus

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The team orders will kick in soon. There is always a #1 and #2 driver. If Lewis had finished 2nd in the Australian GP, he'd now have a 21 point lead. It's only a matter of time...

Lewis has won every race he has finished.

Rosberg is clearly #2 driver already, imo.

Monaco almost always goes to the pole sitter. Barring something weird, that will probably be Lewis.

I don't know. I could see Rosberg winning the championship just through consistency. He definitely needs to win some races though and Lewis needs to have some bad luck.
 

_Rick_

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Mercedes have more to lose by calling #1 and #2 drivers than by having both cars take each other out in a race.

They need to make sure F1 stays interesting, despite their domination. And I think especially Niki Lauda knows this, which is why he is so adamant about the fact that the two will fight, in interviews. If they crash out once every four to five races, they'll still decide the championship between them, and Mercedes will easily win the constructor's.

If on the other hand, the fight is called off, there'll be no reason for anyone to watch F1 anymore, as the result will be clear even before qualifying, with the current advantage in pace the Mercs enjoy. And since the F1 investment only pays if everyone tunes in to see Mercs dominate, and sees the sponsors on the car, they need people to watch.

As for Niki Lauda, I'd like him to take over for Bernie eventually. He's both a businessman and a racer, and he has been around the paddock for so long now, that he has part of the network you need to direct F1. Plus, he's similarly brash as Bernie, the kind of character that can take on all the politics and meddling that modern F1 is.
It's probably not going to happen, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't in an ideal world
 

RockinZ28

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And finally, yes, I still miss the V-8 scream! I can't get over that. F-1, television, etc....NOBODY has done enough to overcome the loss of the V-8 scream!!

I turned a practice session or something on the other day during warmup and set the volume pretty loud. Went out to the kitchen and washed some dishes, couldn't hear the tv over the water. When I shut off the water, I wondered who the hell was doing yard work in my backyard. Went over to the window, saw no one. Then realized it was F1...
 
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that was more chess than pro wrestling. the finish was strong, bit we paid the price for the 1st 3/4 of the race.

I agree, niki lauda for supremo! anyone who's catchphrase is calling "bullshit" on live tv gets my vote. he's the complete package - business sense and connections, legendary racing pedigree and battle scars, and a long history of intolerance of bullshit.
 
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Sir Jack Brabham, ex-F1 champion, dies aged 88

The Australian driver, who was knighted in 1979, won the championship in 1959, 1960 and 1966.

His world championship win in 1966 was achieved in a car of his own construction, the rear-engined BT19.

He remains the only man in history to have designed, built and driven a championship-winning car.

After his retirement, he sold his his team to Bernie Ecclestone - who would go on to run the sport - with the Brabham name remaining in the sport until the 1990s.
 

_Rick_

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Nico on pole almost makes up for both Hülk and Button out in Q2, and another mediocre performance by Alonso.

Let's see what the race begets, but it's Nico's to lose. Hamilton looked mighty miffed though, wonder how aggressively he'll attack tomorrow, and whether Nico can pull off a decent start for once - Barcelona testing should help him.
 
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yep, tomorrow should be a good one! this might be where the merc drivers stop smiling and start going for the jugular for the rest of the season.
 

JulesMaximus

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Hamilton definitely looked miffed but it was an honest mistake by Nico. Boo fucking hoo... get on with it bro. We'll see what happens tomorrow but I'm hoping Nico makes a good start and wins.
 

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Hamilton looked quite sulky on the podium there.
Interesting to learn that Hamilton used a restricted power setting on the engine in Barcelona to defend, for which he was forced to apologize.

And, a nice scoring effort from my Fantasy team. I only wish Ricciardo had run into Hamilton and taken both out, that would have been maximum score

Congrats on Marussia for keeping their cool, racing the race, and getting the points. Bianchi showing that he might be in a Force India or Sauber next year.

Sutil had a few good overtakes, too bad he crashed out so early.

Hülkenbergs Poitier-pass was amazing
 

redgtxdi

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Ya, kinda surprised Hamilton wanted to play "cry baby", especially after his comments about Rossberg's vs his own upbringing. Whilst trying to make Rossberg sound like a spoiled brat, Hamilton embodied that very thing in both the post Q3 interview and again on the podium.

Cream of the uber 1st-world lifestyle is a tough gig, eh?

I'd like to see Hamilton return to his slightly more humble roots. He'll garner more respect, if nothing else!

And Kudos to Ricciardo who worked it hard!!

(Ferrari is gonna have to do some homework here soon!!)
 
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good race, for monaco and in general. monaco always produces a different kind of race, since the cars have dramatically outgrown the track. still, not shabby.

hamilton returns to his roots - going full-throttle bitch any time what he wants isn't handed to him on a silver platter. and this after admitting he won by using an engine setting they agreed to not use. fuck you, lewis hamilton. seriously. you have always been, and always will be, a bitch.

finally, points for marussia! i have no love for russian oligarchs, but congrats to the team.

finally, fernandez wants out and puts caterham group (f1, road cars, whatever) up for sale - "an optimistic £350 million. ($589 million)”. no way he's getting that, not on his best day.
 

JulesMaximus

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Ya, kinda surprised Hamilton wanted to play "cry baby", especially after his comments about Rossberg's vs his own upbringing. Whilst trying to make Rossberg sound like a spoiled brat, Hamilton embodied that very thing in both the post Q3 interview and again on the podium.

Cream of the uber 1st-world lifestyle is a tough gig, eh?

I'd like to see Hamilton return to his slightly more humble roots. He'll garner more respect, if nothing else!

And Kudos to Ricciardo who worked it hard!!

(Ferrari is gonna have to do some homework here soon!!)

He definitely came off as kind of a douche this weekend. Pretty hard to tell people how humble you are when you're posting pics of yourself on Facebook with your dog on a private jet or with your supermodel girlfriend driving down the coast of SoCal in a million dollar Cobra you just bought or at the helm of a 50' yacht (yes, I follow Lewis Hamilton on Facebook).

I'm glad Nico Rosberg won. I'm kind of hoping he takes the championship this year.
 

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Sulky Jenson Button was already bad enough, but at least he had reason to be kind of downtrodden.
Sulky Vettel is understandable - he's used to driving the best car, tailored to him, and a bit of luck. This year, all three of those are gone - that would dent anybody's mood.
Sulky Massa? He's one of the guys that has got the personality and character to stand above this crap. Yeah, he's never really looking super happy, these days, but he's taking it as it comes. Like Button, he has of course more experience and maturity.

But Hamilton, he's coming second once in five races, and it's a disaster. Over four races, you could see that Rosberg wasn't happy being second, he said so, but he didn't bitch about it and pretend that it was some kind of personal attack against him, that he was second.
He was too slow, he was behind, and he couldn't pull it off. No different than Hamilton. Except Hamilton is behaving like a fucking Diva. I suppose winning a championship so early in your career is always going to give you a certain prospensity towads such behavior, but Hamilton should have grown up some in the meantime...
 

Ophir

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Yeah, awesome final 1/4 of the race. Great for Ricciardo. It's clear that all we need is to cripple the Mercs and excitement ensues. Can we get someone from the area of each racetrack to sabotage them on race-day? or maybe some silly FIA ruling to implement mid-season Mercedes-only restrictor plates? I'm spit-balling here ...

Otherwise, Red Bull handling vs FI/Williams pace will still make some awesome racing the rest of the year.

On the Massa-Perez crash, at first it looked to me that Perez chopped across Massa to block, but in slow-mo it actually looks like he pulled out to try a pass on Vettel - but never expected or looked for Massa to kamikaze at that speed to his left. Either way, it does not look like Massa could have ever made the corner from that position and speed without either barrelling into Perez/Vettel or flying off the course.

Crazy moves by both, and much respect to Vettel for seeing it coming and backing off in the corner without losing it.

Vid with slow-mo
 

redgtxdi

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Anybody else notice....(commentators sure didn't....AT ALL)......that on the 64th lap when Massa was trying to pass Vettel on the straight right after the hairpin, that his DRS wing opened and then as he pulled out to pass, it SHUT!?!?!?! WTF!?!?!?!?

NOT good!! Especially when the commentators miss it completely. I don't know why he couldn't pass Vettel there again after that but that was the closest Massa got to passing Vettel. (side by side the whole way).

I was SCREAMING at the TV that his DRS wing shut on him. But to deaf ears. Nimrod & Dimwit, thought it was because Massa got into the "clag".

Oh well.

At least Ricciardo got the win. That was cool to see and very cool to see a humble winner!!
 

LTC8K6

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Anybody else notice....(commentators sure didn't....AT ALL)......that on the 64th lap when Massa was trying to pass Vettel on the straight right after the hairpin, that his DRS wing opened and then as he pulled out to pass, it SHUT!?!?!?! WTF!?!?!?!?

NOT good!! Especially when the commentators miss it completely. I don't know why he couldn't pass Vettel there again after that but that was the closest Massa got to passing Vettel. (side by side the whole way).

I was SCREAMING at the TV that his DRS wing shut on him. But to deaf ears. Nimrod & Dimwit, thought it was because Massa got into the "clag".

Oh well.

At least Ricciardo got the win. That was cool to see and very cool to see a humble winner!!

It was right near the end of the zone though, iirc. It was either that, or Massa tapped the brakes.
 

LTC8K6

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Yeah, awesome final 1/4 of the race. Great for Ricciardo. It's clear that all we need is to cripple the Mercs and excitement ensues. Can we get someone from the area of each racetrack to sabotage them on race-day? or maybe some silly FIA ruling to implement mid-season Mercedes-only restrictor plates? I'm spit-balling here ...

Otherwise, Red Bull handling vs FI/Williams pace will still make some awesome racing the rest of the year.

On the Massa-Perez crash, at first it looked to me that Perez chopped across Massa to block, but in slow-mo it actually looks like he pulled out to try a pass on Vettel - but never expected or looked for Massa to kamikaze at that speed to his left. Either way, it does not look like Massa could have ever made the corner from that position and speed without either barrelling into Perez/Vettel or flying off the course.

Crazy moves by both, and much respect to Vettel for seeing it coming and backing off in the corner without losing it.

Vid with slow-mo

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/6/15935.html

Sergio Perez and Max Chilton have both been handed grid penalties for Austria after the stewards deemed them guilty of triggering separate incidents in Sunday's race in Canada.
 

Ophir

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Saw that, but doesn't explain why he did so. The only thing I can think of is that he never expected Massa to approach at that speed and try to brake that deep.

Looking at the video I'd have to agree. It looks to be a 0% chance that Massa makes that corner. I can only imagine he was desperate to pass Perez there and try to get Vettel on the back straight. It's clear that he had much more pace on the straights.

Still, you have to either look or not recklessly block like that.
 

boomhower

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Well look like we will get to see how Red Bull does with it's master designing cars. Link

After a couple of years of not winning I can see them out of the sport. RB isn't going to spend money and not win. They aren't going to be in it for the long haul without results like Ferrari will.
 
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