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merlion

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Yeah, why is Kobayashi's Caterham the rental, and not Ericsson's? Does Ericsson pay a lot for his drive, or does he have massive sponsorship? It certainly isn't due to his driving, as he is arguably the worst driver in the field. Chilton is as slow, or slower, but doesn't wreck cars regularly.
 

_Rick_

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Well, this race was another mixed bag.
Rosberg robbed us of another exciting race, by messing up twice into T1.
Perez vs. Button was pretty awesome, and at last Massa got back onto the podium with a brilliant start.
Bottas' bad start made for some fun, if repetitive overtakes.

And my team completely fell apart, with Rosberg messing up, Alonso DNF, Button not getting past Perez or close to Magnussen (before the latters not really deserved 5 seconds were added) and Hülkenberg got caught out with that tire issue. Impressive that he ran the medium tire for 30 laps though.

I wonder if it was always planned to use Vettel to box the train of cars in from the front, and Ricciardo to clean them up from the back. Had Vettel not pitted so early, the other cars might have waited, and Ricciardo may not have gotten past them. If that was planned/anticipated, that's a hell of strategy. Impressive stuff from RB in any case.
 

JulesMaximus

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Well, this race was another mixed bag.
Rosberg robbed us of another exciting race, by messing up twice into T1.
Perez vs. Button was pretty awesome, and at last Massa got back onto the podium with a brilliant start.
Bottas' bad start made for some fun, if repetitive overtakes.

And my team completely fell apart, with Rosberg messing up, Alonso DNF, Button not getting past Perez or close to Magnussen (before the latters not really deserved 5 seconds were added) and Hülkenberg got caught out with that tire issue. Impressive that he ran the medium tire for 30 laps though.

I wonder if it was always planned to use Vettel to box the train of cars in from the front, and Ricciardo to clean them up from the back. Had Vettel not pitted so early, the other cars might have waited, and Ricciardo may not have gotten past them. If that was planned/anticipated, that's a hell of strategy. Impressive stuff from RB in any case.

Kind of have to wonder if the pressure isn't getting to Nico Rosberg. Was nice to see the two teammates not spitting ice at each other for a change though.

Also, Bottas' start was hampered by Hamilton's bad start. He was kind of stuck behind him and had no way to get around him unfortunately. Totally not his fault.

A great race though nonetheless. I'm always amazed at how fast that race unfolds. Monza is a fast track.
 
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the heads continue to roll at ferrari, now it's none other than ferrari president luca di montezemolo himself!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29138322

luca was picked by enzo himself to run the f1 team in the 70's, and returned in '91 to right the ship - he hired jean todt, ross brawn and michael schumacher to form what might be the greatest racing team ever, and he turned ferrari into 1 of the most profitable carmakers in the world.

parent company fiat ceo sergio marchionne gave montezemolo his walking papers and will assume the the role of ferrari president. f1 team principal stenfano domenicali (a great guy and a ferrari lifer) was ousted in april for ferrari north america ceo marco mattiacci.
 

JulesMaximus

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Well, Nico finally had some bad luck and Lewis takes his 7th win of the season. I really like this race and venue. Love the views of downtown Singapore at night. I think this would be a great race to see live.
 
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good race - the safety car mid-way set up a pretty strong finish. the guys that stayed out ended up driving on roller skates and i wonder if pitting 1 final time would have been better with all the time they lost at the end. maybe not, since the race was cut by 1 lap.

the circumstances and superior car played right to hamilton's strong suit: driving flat out. he easily opened a huge margin on all but vettel, and then made short work of him to coast to victory after the big push. i was gutted by rosberg's breakdown which was caused by a bad wiring harness.

martin brundle commented the super young, super small, super fit drivers seemed to suffer the most in the punishing heat, and that they couldn't have driven f1 cars of 10 years ago. adding insult to injury was kevin magnussen's mclaren frying pan:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29303579

The Dane's back was tended to after the race. His mouth was also burned after the liquid in his drinks bottle boiled.
Magnussen had tried to direct air into his overalls by holding his arms aloft in an attempt to alleviate the pain.
He held on to score a point for 10th place, and said: "It was the hardest point I've ever earned."
 

LTC8K6

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I thought the announcers were silly for trying to make it seem like Lewis would end up 5th or 6th after his pit stop. They kept trying to make it dramatic, saying Lewis couldn't pull out a gap, that Mercedes had made a mistake, etc.

Pretty irritating.

To anyone watching, it was obvious that Lewis would easily pull out a huge gap and win the race, barring a disaster.
 

JulesMaximus

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I thought the announcers were silly for trying to make it seem like Lewis would end up 5th or 6th after his pit stop. They kept trying to make it dramatic, saying Lewis couldn't pull out a gap, that Mercedes had made a mistake, etc.

Pretty irritating.

To anyone watching, it was obvious that Lewis would easily pull out a huge gap and win the race, barring a disaster.

Of course, he was on fresh tires and everyone else he came out of the pits around were on the same compound (prime) that nobody wanted to run but 20 laps old. It took Lewis 1 lap to gain the lead back and he did it easily.
 
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how's this for dropping bombs?

Fernando Alonso to be replaced by Sebastian Vettel at Ferrari

Alonso still had two more years to run on his contract but he and Ferrari have agreed to separate. He is expected to join McLaren-Honda for 2015.
Red Bull announced on Saturday Vettel had "advised them" he would leave.
Team principal Christian Horner said Ferrari had made Vettel "a very attractive offer."

Vettel will be replaced at Red Bull by Russian Toro Rosso driver Daniil Kvyat, the team announced.

The team are believed most likely to keep Magnussen, who has increasingly begun to out-pace Button in qualifying and who at 22 on Sunday is at the beginning of his career, while Button in his mid-30s is nearing the end.
 

JulesMaximus

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I knew when I saw this thread something major must have happened. Turned on quali, which I planned on watching in a bit of a delay, and what do you know?

Tis the end of the silly season and the cards are falling. Should be interesting to see how Vettel does at Ferrari next season. I still think Alonso is one of the best drivers in F1. Not sure this helps Ferrari at all but I'm sure Vettel is getting paid.
 

satyajitmenon

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I knew when I saw this thread something major must have happened. Turned on quali, which I planned on watching in a bit of a delay, and what do you know?

Tis the end of the silly season and the cards are falling. Should be interesting to see how Vettel does at Ferrari next season. I still think Alonso is one of the best drivers in F1. Not sure this helps Ferrari at all but I'm sure Vettel is getting paid.

Yeah. I'm not sure what the point of this is for Ferrari. I don't get the sense that Vettel fits with the Ferrari ethos/culture. Wonder who the 2nd Ferrari driver is going to be.

Alonso has been a great ambassador for that team. While I was never a fan of Alonso, I have to respect that he did amazing things with a car that is clearly not competitive. It's unfortunate, but one doesn't appreciate the true talent of a driver till you put him in a sub-par car and watch him get more out of it than should be possible.

Can only hope that Honda coming in brings back the glory days for McLaren-Honda.
 

_Rick_

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I don't get the sense that Vettel fits with the Ferrari ethos/culture.

Maybe that's why they get him. Since the start of this season, the team has been through a number of shake-ups, so it may well be that they hope to get something different than their usual style, and become a more modern team, like Red Bull or Mercedes. Of course, this can also not work out, like it did for McLaren... Still, we have yet to see if Boullier will be able to wrestle that team into shape with the new engine.

I wonder who Toro Rosso will recruit to side Verstappen. Keeping JEV would be somewhat obvious, but after showing him the door earlier this season, also a bit awkward. And there's always the option of drafting in Palmer or Sainz this late in the season.
Alonso to McLaren is very likely at this point, but it's strange that Ferrari don't say which contract is discontinued to accommodate Vettel.

Magnussen versus Button is also far from a done deal, I think. If Alonso does go to McLaren, they might give Button one more season, and have Magnussen in reserve, to get a strong developmental season in. On the other hand a two-old-men team hasn't worked out lately in F1, so I'm not convinced either way.

The real shame is that none of the mid-field talent gets picked up, unless you're in a Toro Rosso, and have the right timing. Perez was a bit of a glimmer of hope in that respect, but the way they dropped him, was pretty rough. Of the current crop, I'd say Rosberg is probably the one to most recently graduate from a mid-grid team to a top-notch team with any kind of permanence. And that was with the Mercedes' Brawn acquistion almost 5 years ago. You'd hope that Bottas were to get a constructor-funding level contract in the next two or three years. Also, Grosjean needs to upgrade his ride, he's shown some solid performance, but Lotus dropped to backmarker quality.

Oh, and good job, Rosberg, for dominating quali. Of course, with the rain tomorrow, things are going to get unpredictable..
 
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Alonso to McLaren is very likely at this point, but it's strange that Ferrari don't say which contract is discontinued to accommodate Vettel.

i'm pretty sure kimi said he's re-retiring after this year. as for who to bring in to partner vettel, ferrari historically chooses proven drivers over new blood. if that remains the case, maybe button could be a reliable choice.

i'm not sure what vettel thinks he can do at ferrari that alonso can't. alonso is 10x the driver vettel is, extracting 100% of the car's performance every damn time. the red cars simply haven't been fast enough compared to the competition since 2009, and and that won't change until it changes, no matter who they hire and fire.

as much as i like alonso, the names mclaren-alonso and mclaren-honda mean nothing as of right now. past performance is no guarantee of future success. although honda has an extra year to develop their f1 motor, proving to be a match for merc is still a long way off. and the other half of the equation, mclaren, is the worst of 3 teams to field 2014's best motor (go williams go!).
 

merlion

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Kimi and Vettel are buddies, so I look for Kimi to stay on at Ferrari for one more year.
 

Meghan54

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Well, watching lap after lap being led by the safety car, damn that SLS AMG sounds good. Loved it when they had the interior shot from it.
 

LTC8K6

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Looks like a bad incident. Sutil went off in the rain, and then Bianchi apparently crashed into the same spot during the recovery of Sutil's car.

Race has been called early.

Podium very subdued.
 

Meghan54

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I'm wondering if, in addition to the potential driver's injuries from apparently crashing into the mobile crane, any course worker got injured. They'd have been quite exposed when Bianchi hit.
 

Meghan54

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Damn, Bianchi taken away unconscious to the hospital by ambulance. Can't get taken by chopper because of weather. And the fact they even mentioned the helicopter as not an option for transport is disturbing.....
 

_Rick_

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If he hit straight on, then we're likely looking at major head injuries on Bianchi's side, which is especially tragic given that Marussia had a none-to-dissimilar accident with Maria de Villota only a few years ago, which ultimately killed her.

I can't really be optimistic about the outcome of this crash, and I don't think any marshals involved would be as dangerously injured as Jules. I think it's unlikely we see him in a car again this year, if he does indeed survive.

It's strange how there's no footage of the incident, but I suppose the cameras are rarely trained on the Marussias anyway.
 

LTC8K6

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Sutil reported that Bianchi did hit the tractor.

I knew something had happened before the announcers did. The announcers thought the safety car was out for the rain at first.

When the pace car pulled out though, the medical car rocketed out right behind it and blew past it.

I knew it must have been going to a crash.
 
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