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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25963926

French doctors work to bring Schumacher out of coma

Doctors treating injured Formula 1 legend Michael Schumacher are reducing his sedation to prepare to bring him out of a coma, his manager says.

This step will allow the "waking up process" to start, Sabine Kehm said in a statement.

But bringing the seven-times champion out of the coma "could take a long time", she added.
 
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So, apparently there are issues with the Renault Power Unit, while the Mercedes one runs very well so far, and the Ferrari one doesn't pose too many issues.
First testing went pretty grimly for RB and the other Renault teams, with Rosberg setting more laps alone, than all the Renault teams together. Maybe that's the reason Enstone didn't even show up - they may still retain closer ties to Renault than the others, and saw that there was no point in going to Jerez, if you only set 5 laps.

i'm not so sure about that - the enstone team (formerly benetton) was owned by renault, but the engines are mecachrome with the renault name. certainly red bull has to be the chosen one now.
 

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i'm not so sure about that - the enstone team (formerly benetton) was owned by renault, but the engines are mecachrome with the renault name. certainly red bull has to be the chosen one now.
Actually you have that backwards. Mecachrome took Renault engines and re-branded them and has partnered with them in development of engines while they were an engine supplier, but the core engine development, and the development of the engines since they bought out Benetton has been done by Renault and their sport division.
 
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Actually you have that backwards. Mecachrome took Renault engines and re-branded them and has partnered with them in development of engines while they were an engine supplier, but the core engine development, and the development of the engines since they bought out Benetton has been done by Renault and their sport division.

after some reading, the relationship seems more blurred, certainly more that the straight-up badge job ford-cosworth dfv
 

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I think there is more steam coming from Newey's ears than the cars. They have basically blown the whole testing session, certainly starting out behind the 8-ball.

Also looks like McLauren has maybe pulled off a Brawn '09 with it's rear end design. More downforce at low speed and less at high speed. If it works could be a huge advantage.
 

punjabiplaya

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RB10 = are beaten

Can't wait for the season to start now

Creative Mclaren with the butterfly/wing whatever rear suspension
 
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RB10 = are beaten

Can't wait for the season to start now

Creative Mclaren with the butterfly/wing whatever rear suspension

red bull aren't beaten at anything yet, and they won't remain beaten until mathematical elimination

the mclaren suspension is a genuine shocker. i'll take any variety i can find in f1.
 

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Might be the slightly more risky design that Renault pursues pays off later in the season.
And remember last years pre-season testing? It doesn't really reflect in-season performance by quite a margin.

And more and more I think Lotus were right in not coming to the test. Not only because they're financially in huge trouble, but also because the extra million or two in pounds it would cost them to stage up in Jerez, at a circuit which does not reflect any circuit they'll be racing at, only to do 8 laps and then go home just isn't cost effective.

They can do that kind of basic reliability testing at the factory.

On the other hand, I wonder if the guys at McLaren are still so ecstatic about switching to Honda next year, coming from the apparently easy-to-package Mercedes power unit, and seeing the problems that the Renault guys have, highlighting the risk of adopting to a new, unknown package.
 

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red bull aren't beaten at anything yet, and they won't remain beaten until mathematical elimination

the mclaren suspension is a genuine shocker. i'll take any variety i can find in f1.

Yeah I know, it's just a silly joke and hopeful wishing, lol.

Also, Ross Brawn's retirement is disappointing everyone who was hoping for the Honda/McLaren/Brawn in 2015.
 
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here's a a terse but accurate comment from a f1fanatic.co.uk reader:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/02/05/f1-fanatic-round-0502/

Comment of the day

A sharp analysis of F1′s declining viewing figures from @Coefficient:

For me, part of the problem with F1 is that people just don’t believe in it any more from a sporting perspective. Yes, there are die-hard fans who will never hear a bad word said and there are those of us who are fascinated by the technical aspects of the category. However, I feel that it is impossible for F1 to hope to maintain long-term credibility and gain respect as a sporting endeavour whilst the the results are to a certain degree fixed or pre-ordained.

I know it’s the same in football (and Bernie Ecclestone has long desired a similarly commercial product) where the Manchester Uniteds of the world thrash the pants off the poorer clubs but to all intents and purposes when the match starts it’s still two teams of guys running with the ball and the underdog still has a chance. Formula One’s wealthiest teams have massaged the sport into a situation whereby they are doomed to win and in doing so have removed the most fundamental aspect of any sporting event, i.e. the competition.

People aren’t fooled into thinking that each car/driver combination have an equal chance because the financial status of each of the teams is flaunted on the TV as presenters saunter past a Ferrari/McLaren/Red Bull hospitality unit in the paddock which is bigger than most normal people’s houses and then they stroll past the Caterham Transit van parked in the corner.

They rub our faces in it and as with most things like that it has started to wear thin, especially now that we all have to pay an enormous subscription for the privilege. They think we are lack the intelligence to be insulted by their false claims of equal competition and I think they might be heading towards a crisis on two fronts. These being, lack of fan interest/loss of viewership and collapsing infrastructure due to people being stupid with stupid amounts of money.

Don’t get me wrong, sometimes the category does offer up some stunning, edge of the seat races but they are few and far between and more by good luck than good management. This is plain to see in the post race celebrations as the racers that work in the teams are always openly more gratified and always pleasantly surprised after such events (as are the fans) compared with the majority of races where the cars come in two by two with the rich boys at the front and the less rich boys at the back.

Something else that is a concern is that if the incumbent audience start switching off, who will replace them? Of my group of friends I am the only one who has a strong interest in Formula One. There are a couple of others who have a passing interest and of the ones who aren’t interested I have tried to get them to develop an interest in it and it always comes down to one thing. “Why can’t that guy at the back catch that guy at the front?” to which I reply “because his car only cost one-tenth of the cost of the one in front to make so it’s not as good”.

You see, to someone who has no knowledge of the category who is considering watching, the fundamentals need to be in place to attract them in the first place and they aren’t. People want to feel like they’re going to watch 24 racers fight tooth and nail on a reasonably level playing field but F1 can’t offer that so people don’t bother. It’s different for me, I’m dyed in the wool. I’ve been watching so long that I’ve grown up with it and its as much an addictive soap opera as a fascinating technical endeavour to me and for that reason I am more able to tolerate dull racing. F1 sells itself as a racing category first and foremost so people are just confused when there is no racing and give up. Two hours is a long time to sit starting at a foregone conclusion and a maintaining season-long interest/viewers is not going to happen unless people are given what they want.

The world has changed. With the internet etc… people are able to get exactly what they want more readily rather than be told what to want by the super-rich. Customers have more power and have grown very accustomed to that and if they aren’t satisfied they will look elsewhere. This is something that F1 has failed to notice.
 

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I was watching an intro to the 92 Italian GP, ended up watching the whole thing. Felt nostalgic and saw more races from the 80's and 90's. My gosh, the grid was huge back then.
 
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I was watching an intro to the 92 Italian GP, ended up watching the whole thing. Felt nostalgic and saw more races from the 80's and 90's. My gosh, the grid was huge back then.

large grids of unreliable cars with huge performance gaps in cars and drivers, and no blue flags. even when there were dominant teams, you could rarely predict the final result.
 

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I just see your name and picture the F1 noses now since you started this thread.
 

foghorn67

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large grids of unreliable cars with huge performance gaps in cars and drivers, and no blue flags. even when there were dominant teams, you could rarely predict the final result.
I miss the days where you could have a "backmarker" or middle of the road team have sunshine rain down on them. Later Tyrells (not 70's Tyrells), Jordans, Team Ford, early Saubers, etc. Teams like those had a shot at a podium or a win if everything came together. Hell one year, Jordan racked up a ton of points.
That hasn't happened in years. Force India, Williams...eh. Backmarkers, Marassia, HRT, Caterham, they have nothing to show.
 

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LTC8K6

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That's nowhere near 10X and I think it's way off.

Here is the WSJ quote:

Gains were also made in the U.S. following the return of its home Grand Prix in 2012 after a five-year hiatus. Coverage in the U.S. switched from Fox and the Speed Channel to NBC Sports in 2013 fueling a rise of 1.7 million viewers to 11.4 million.

The gain was 1.7M viewers.
 

punjabiplaya

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That's nowhere near 10X and I think it's way off.

Here is the WSJ quote:



The gain was 1.7M viewers.

well fuck me for reading while drunk and being optimistic.

Anyways, I think the Vettel show and the Red Bull domination definitely pissed many a F1 fan off. But the availability of coverage has been sub par as well. I did not like NBC's coverage that much. But it was better than I expected since my hopes were so damn low anyways. No practice/qualifying and ads that add up for 20 laps of a 60 lap race is just stupid too.

some more numbers for US F1 viewing: 2011 - 10 million, 2012 - 9.7 million, 2013 - 11.4 million.
 
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LTC8K6

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Probably mostly due to more people having NBC Sports channel. :biggrin:
 

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Well, the Renault teams still having trouble, but joined by Marussia and Williams on the first day at Bahrain.
Hülkenberg set three laps in his Force India that were quicker than the fastest lap of last years race.
So much for cars getting slower...
Force India, Mercedes, McLaren and Ferrari apparently all ran very well on the first day --- let's see what day two has in store. I do hope that the Renault powered cars recover in time to produce some meaningaful data, as otherwise the first three races will be pretty one-sided...
 
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