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ToBYourself

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I believe if you file joint on federal you have to file joint on state (with some exceptions). State returns will ask for portions earned in and out of state so it isn't difficult to figure. Basically you are 100% in SC and 0% in TN. Be careful that you don't pay tax to both states, which may require a credit request later.

Thank you for the response.

I wasn't quite clear with my question - I meant how would we (spouse and me) file rather than just me. If possible, I'd prefer for us to not have to file Married, Filing Separately"

 

gururu2

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Thank you for the response.

I wasn't quite clear with my question - I meant how would we (spouse and me) file rather than just me. If possible, I'd prefer for us to not have to file Married, Filing Separately"


File joint on Federal- the Fed is blind to any state you have lived in. You can claim moving expenses since it was > 50 mile move and for work purposes.

According to SC tax form:
"If you file a joint federal return, you must file a joint South Carolina return SC1040 with Schedule NR. The resident spouse will report to South Carolina all income for the entire year. The spouse who is not a resident on the joint return will only report income earned in this state, if any".

Tennessee doesn't have an income tax so you don't have to pay SC taxes on income generated in TN. None of this will get reported on the SC form.
 

gururu2

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Question(s) here: My wife made $750 on a 1099 from a business in CA they withheld $52.50. According to Turbotax we would get a refund of $34. It costs (with TT) $37 to file. Do I have to file a CA state return or can I just say eff it?

TIA!

As long as they can't ever prove that you actually owe them, then you don't necessarily need to file and they won't mind keeping your money. If you don't file and try to get the money later you might be fined for not filing. Can't you do some ez form in 2 minutes and snail mail it?
 

morkus64

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As long as they can't ever prove that you actually owe them, then you don't necessarily need to file and they won't mind keeping your money. If you don't file and try to get the money later you might be fined for not filing. Can't you do some ez form in 2 minutes and snail mail it?

Thanks, I'll look into it. The short form is confusing because it seems to assume you have a CA W-2, but I'll figure it out... probably. There needs to be some standardization on this crap. Blerg.
 

Ackmed

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Well we owe $1,268 this year. We both claimed 1 and have 3 kids. Bought a vehicle and used that too. Oh well, tax guy couldn't get us any lower. Apparently my college is hurting us.

How long until I can obtain a tax transcript? We picked them up Thursday, signed a thing for them to e-file for us.
 

HybridSquirrel

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Here's an answer that I found from the Turbo Tax help forums. It sounds like I'm supposed to adjust my basis to include the income so that basically wipes out the 1099. I'm going to have a CPA run through it though and make sure everything is kosher.

Hey, bit of a delay but we talked to a CPA this morning. In my case, the ISO sale was reported on my W2, so I don't have to put in the information from the broker. He said I could do it either way, just as long as it got reported. When I put in the 1099 and leave off the W2 all the numbers are the same as far as income and tax owed. Hope this helps.

All said and done, we're getting a net refund of $300. We owe the state some money, Hawaii isn't kind to people with capital gains.
 

jlee

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Sep 12, 2001
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Alright...I'm tackling Form 3115 now and I'm unsure what to do here.

I am claiming rental property depreciation for 2013 and 2014. I have selected DCN 7:
Depreciation or amortization (impermissible to permissible) (sections 56, 167, 168, 197, 280F, 1400I, 1400L, 1400N,
and former section 168)—from an impermissible method to a permissible method for changes allowed under Regulations
section 1.446-1(e)(2)(ii)(d), and for depreciable property owned at the beginning of the year of change. Complete Schedule E of
Form 3115. An applicant changing its method of accounting for depreciation because of a change described in designated
automatic accounting method change number 10 (sale or lease transactions) must file Form 3115 according to the designated
change number 10. Additionally, a qualified small taxpayer qualifies for a reduced Form 3115 filing requirement. See section
6.01 of Rev. Proc. 2015-14.

I am stuck on Box 14. I selected 'No' to Box 13 ("Is the applicant requesting to change its overall method of accounting"), which I think is correct...? Now for 14, it's asking for this:

14 If the applicant is either (i) not changing its overall method of accounting, or (ii) changing its overall method of
accounting and changing to a special method of accounting for one or more items, attach a detailed and
complete description for each of the following (see instructions):
a The item(s) being changed.
b The applicant’s present method for the item(s) being changed.
c The applicant’s proposed method for the item(s) being changed.
d The applicant’s present overall method of accounting (cash, accrual, or hybrid).
15 a Attach a detailed and complete description of the applicant’s trade(s) or business

Do I just include a letter saying I rented rooms in my house and didn't claim depreciation for 2013 and 2014? I don't have a present method for changing items...I just didn't claim depreciation. To my knowledge, I'm not using cash, accrual, or hybrid accounting either.

I did find this: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-15-14.pdf; would I phrase my letter to state that I claimed no depreciation and am requesting a change to claim the allowable depreciation?
(b) Statements required. A taxpayer (including a qualified small taxpayer
as defined in section 6.01(4)(b) of this revenue procedure) must provide the following
statements, if applicable, and attach them to the completed Form 3115:
(i) a detailed description of the present and proposed methods of
accounting. A general description of these methods of accounting is unacceptable (for
example, MACRS to MACRS, erroneous method to proper method, claiming less than
the depreciation allowable to claiming the depreciation allowable);
(ii) to the extent not provided elsewhere on the Form 3115, a
statement describing the taxpayer’s business or income-producing activities. Also, if the
taxpayer has more than one business or income-producing activity, a statement
describing the taxpayer’s business or income-producing activity in which the item of
property at issue is primarily used by the taxpayer;
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(iii) to the extent not provided elsewhere on the Form 3115, a
statement of the facts and law supporting the proposed method of accounting, new
classification of the item of property, and new asset class in, as appropriate, Rev. Proc.
87-56 or Rev. Proc. 83-35. If the taxpayer is the owner and lessor of the item of
property at issue, the statement of the facts and law supporting the new asset class also
must describe the business or income-producing activity in which that item of property is
primarily used by the lessee;
(iv) to the extent not provided elsewhere on the Form 3115, a
statement identifying the year in which the item of property was placed in service by the
taxpayer;

Box 17: Will the proposed method of accounting be used for the applicant’s books and records and financial statements?

I...don't have "books and records and financial statements" -- by this do they mean "are you going to continue to depreciate your rental property in the future"? I'm inclined to check 'yes' but I'm not sure.

Box 26:
Enter the section 481(a) adjustment. Indicate whether the adjustment is an increase (+) or a decrease (-) in
income. ▶ Attach a summary of the computation and an explanation of the methodology
used to determine the section 481(a) adjustment. If it is based on more than one component, show the
computation for each component. If more than one applicant is applying for the method change on the
application, attach a list of the (a) name, (b) identification number, and (c) the amount of the section 481(a)
adjustment attributable to each applicant.
For this, do they just want math showing how I came up with my numbers, e.g.:
$112k depreciable property put in service in 2013
Rented 11% of the square footage for 6 months in 2013
$112k property over 27.5 years is $4072/yr or $339.39/mo, 11% of that x6 is $224

2015 comes to $355, so depending how much tax liability I had for 2013 and 2014 I could potentially end up with an extra $579? Or just not pay tax on $579, so a refund of $144?

If any CPA wants to review this and the accompanying Schedule E's to make sure I don't fuck it up, I'd be happy to send some Paypal your way.
 
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NAC

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So my wife will be attending a post secondary institution to achieve a medical certification. It is an accredited institution and she will attend full time. The program will last 28 months, it begins in April of 2016. We paid $90 for some books and an initial fee of $100 in 2015. We received a 1098-T for the initial $100. The question is: can I claim the $190 that we paid in 2015 even though she is not starting until 2016? If it was a 4 year program, it would be silly to claim the first $190 since it is a small amount, but in this case, we expect that after calendar years 2016, 2017, 2018 she will be done.

Below is a quote from the IRS site which doesn't mention exactly when the student needs to attend, just that the student is enrolled. I think either part 1 or part 3 can have an implied "during the tax year", but it is not stated.
https://www.irs.gov/uac/American-Opportunity-Tax-Credit:-Questions-and-Answers
Q12. Who is an eligible student for the American opportunity tax credit?
A. For the American opportunity tax credit, an eligible student is a student who: (1) is enrolled in a program leading toward a degree, certificate or other recognized post-secondary educational credential; (2) has not completed the first four years of post-secondary education as of the beginning of the taxable year; (3) for at least one academic period is carrying at least ½ of the normal full-time work load for the course of study the student is pursuing; and (4) has not been convicted of a felony drug offense.


Many thanks for any help!!!
 

NAC

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I kept looking and answered my own question. It depends on the start date. If she starts in the first three months of 2016, I can claim it in 2015:

From that same IRS page:
https://www.irs.gov/uac/American-Opportunity-Tax-Credit:-Questions-and-Answers
Q5. What are qualified expenses for purposes of the education tax credits?
A. In general, qualified expenses for the education tax credits include tuition and required fees for the enrollment or attendance at an eligible post-secondary educational institution. To be creditable, the expenses paid during a taxable year must relate to: (1) an academic period that begins in the same taxable year; or (2) an academic period that begins in the first three months of the following taxable year. See Publication 970, Tax Benefits for Education.
 

gururu2

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Alright...I'm tackling Form 3115 now and I'm unsure what to do here.

I did a lot of research on 3115 for two years unclaimed and got stuck in the exact same spots. DCN 7 is correct I believe. I figured I would end up going back and forth with the IRS on the detailed accounting so I said screw it and am have already collected refunds on my 2013 and 2014 amended returns
 

jlee

Lifer
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I did a lot of research on 3115 for two years unclaimed and got stuck in the exact same spots. DCN 7 is correct I believe. I figured I would end up going back and forth with the IRS on the detailed accounting so I said screw it and am have already collected refunds on my 2013 and 2014 amended returns

Hahaha....sigh. So, I'd just file a 1040X and Schedule E for 2013 and 2014 and call it a day?
 

gururu2

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Hahaha....sigh. So, I'd just file a 1040X and Schedule E for 2013 and 2014 and call it a day?

My 2013 (no losses):1040x, Schedule E (new), 4562 (house 1)

My 2014: 1040x, Schedule E (new), 6198 (every year w/loss), 8582 (every year w/loss), 4562 (house 2)
 

TwiceOver

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Hey, bit of a delay but we talked to a CPA this morning. In my case, the ISO sale was reported on my W2, so I don't have to put in the information from the broker. He said I could do it either way, just as long as it got reported. When I put in the 1099 and leave off the W2 all the numbers are the same as far as income and tax owed. Hope this helps.

All said and done, we're getting a net refund of $300. We owe the state some money, Hawaii isn't kind to people with capital gains.

Thanks. Yeah I found the spot in Turbo Tax then I had to go out to the Fidelity website and get the pages that showed that actual basis and update Turbo Tax to show the basis adjustment and all was good.
 

MrScott81

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We are looking to put in solar panels, and I believe that the 30% tax credit associated with this is NOT refundable. Therefore, if we don't owe any taxes or are already receiving a refund, I believe this means we will not get any of the money.

We generally receive a refund (which I know is probably pretty stupid, letting the government borrow money for free, yatta yatta).

So what would we do in this circumstance? Should we modify our withholding so that we would end up owing money so that we could use the tax credit? I understand you can use this credit for up to 5 years if you're not able to use it all at once. Is this correct?

Any advice would be appreciated!
 

jlee

Lifer
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My 2013 (no losses):1040x, Schedule E (new), 4562 (house 1)

My 2014: 1040x, Schedule E (new), 6198 (every year w/loss), 8582 (every year w/loss), 4562 (house 2)

I only have one house and it was my primary residence at the time. I'll have to look at those forms and see which ones are relevant for me - thanks!
 

Stopsignhank

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We are looking to put in solar panels, and I believe that the 30% tax credit associated with this is NOT refundable. Therefore, if we don't owe any taxes or are already receiving a refund, I believe this means we will not get any of the money.

We generally receive a refund (which I know is probably pretty stupid, letting the government borrow money for free, yatta yatta).

So what would we do in this circumstance? Should we modify our withholding so that we would end up owing money so that we could use the tax credit? I understand you can use this credit for up to 5 years if you're not able to use it all at once. Is this correct?

Any advice would be appreciated!

You are incorrect. The amount you get in taxes is a tax credit. Meaning if you buy a system for 30K, then you get a 9K tax credit. Which means to get the full offset you will have to have paid 9K in federal taxes. Not the amount you owe, or get back, at the end of the year, but the amount of taxes you will have paid during the year.

This might explain it a little better. https://www.solarpaneltalk.com/foru.../solar-panels-for-your-home/22245-tax-credits Incidentally, please use that website for getting information about getting solar. The more you know the more the better system you will get and the quicker you will not go with Solar City.

HTH.
 

MrScott81

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You are incorrect. The amount you get in taxes is a tax credit. Meaning if you buy a system for 30K, then you get a 9K tax credit. Which means to get the full offset you will have to have paid 9K in federal taxes. Not the amount you owe, or get back, at the end of the year, but the amount of taxes you will have paid during the year.

This might explain it a little better. https://www.solarpaneltalk.com/foru.../solar-panels-for-your-home/22245-tax-credits Incidentally, please use that website for getting information about getting solar. The more you know the more the better system you will get and the quicker you will not go with Solar City.

HTH.

Wow, thank you so much! This makes MUCH more sense than what I was envisioning. And yeah, we have had a consultant from Solar City come out and to be honest with you, we were almost sold on the system (PPA), but I decided to do more research, and the more I look at it, the more I realize it's much more beneficial to buy the system outright.
 
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I'm in Texas, married (both myself and wife work), 1 kid born in 2015. I somehow messed up my W-4 or didn't calculate it right, so during 2015, not enough taxes were withheld.

I go and do my taxes and realize I owe a good chunk (enough to warrant a small penalty - I feel like an idiot).

On top of that, b/c our combined income was over $110,000 and phased out completely, I am not given any child tax credit ($1,000). I did get the extra allowance, but not the credit.

My question is:

1. Can I file both my and my wife's taxes separately (married, but filing separately) and have one of us take the child tax credit?

I will of course look at the total tax expense and see whether doing separate filings or jointly filing is better.
 
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Another couple question:

1. On my W-4, since both my wife and I work full time jobs, do we need to set the filing status as Married but withhold at single rate?

Right now, I think both our W-4's are set at "Married".

2. This year, TaxAct and TurboTax online are saying I need to upgrade their package to deluxe in order for me to file a Form 1040. However, previous years, I've been able to file for free even though my taxable income was above $100K, I had foreign tax credit, etc, all which would have required me to file 1040. So confused, really nothing has changed from prior year to this year, so why am I needing to upgrade to deluxe just to file?

3. Does anyone know why TaxAct and TurboTax are requiring you to upgrade if you have HSA contributions? Neither charged extra for that in prior years.
 
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gururu2

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Another couple question:

1. On my W-4, since both my wife and I work full time jobs, do we need to set the filing status as Married but withhold at single rate?

Right now, I think both our W-4's are set at "Married".

2. This year, TaxAct and TurboTax online are saying I need to upgrade their package to deluxe in order for me to file a Form 1040. However, previous years, I've been able to file for free even though my taxable income was above $100K, I had foreign tax credit, etc, all which would have required me to file 1040. So confused, really nothing has changed from prior year to this year, so why am I needing to upgrade to deluxe just to file?

On your first question. No, the calculation uses half or double the threshold based on which AGI you are using.
It depends, everyone is different. For us, my wife kept it at 1 and I had mine at 2 and we were getting large Federal returns back (she was making more than me). We probably could have switched it and equaled out better. The IRS website has a calculation to predict your exemptions. https://apps.irs.gov/app/withholdingcalculator/
I know nothing about TurboTax-maybe a new restriction?
 
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What is community income?

If I wanted to file as married, but filing separately for both myself and my wife's return, do I need to average our combined income and include that number on each of our returns?

Ex: If I made $100K and she made $50K, am I supposed to put $75K on each of our returns as gross earnings?
 

destrekor

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So I just remembered something:

For either the 2012 or 2013 tax year, I had created an amended return because I found out that I forgot to file my student loan interest, so due to the income of that year, that amended return would give me something like $160 or so back.

But it turns out, that wasn't my best year in regards to organization. I ended up letting that amended return get buried. The pain in the ass is that I always e-file through turbotax online, but amended returns always have to get mailed. I hate mail - I'm terrible with it. lol

I had created the amended return during the next year's tax return period, so, I think it was on 2013 paperwork.

Can I just send that in as is today? Or do I have to recreate the amended return on paperwork dated this year?
 

gururu2

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So I just remembered something:

For either the 2012 or 2013 tax year, I had created an amended return because I found out that I forgot to file my student loan interest, so due to the income of that year, that amended return would give me something like $160 or so back.

But it turns out, that wasn't my best year in regards to organization. I ended up letting that amended return get buried. The pain in the ass is that I always e-file through turbotax online, but amended returns always have to get mailed. I hate mail - I'm terrible with it. lol

I had created the amended return during the next year's tax return period, so, I think it was on 2013 paperwork.

Can I just send that in as is today? Or do I have to recreate the amended return on paperwork dated this year?

For IRS, I think it is the revision that matters, and the latest is Dec 2014 (it covers 2011-2014). For most if not all states, they have forms for each year, so I think you are ok. But I would pay attention to revision as well. For calculations or rules that may have changed with each successive revision, it is possible that the IRS (or state) might adjust the old return...or they could simply wait 3 months to tell you they are rejecting it.
 

Red Squirrel

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Just got my results, I get $1,441. I have a lot of things I want to use the money for, so I'll just bank it for now till I decide. I might also put it into stocks. I want to get started gambling playing around on the stock market.
 

snoopdoug1

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Hello -

My wife and I both have HSA accounts through work. I didn't realize that you can only contribute $6650 total to the accounts - I thought it was 6650 per person. This caused us to contribute too much. I think I have this figured out by reading form 8889, but wanted to double check. Is this right?

1) I filled out a form 8889 for both my wife and I separately. We each withdrew $3300 from our HSA accounts as well as the interest earned. Total amount was ~$6610. We are now below the limit of $6650 for the two of us.

2) I put $6610 in box 21 (Other Income) of form 1040 (I'm using H&R Block software, so i need to figure out how to do this!), and list the type of income as excess contribution that is withdrawn. I have to do this because I need to pay tax on this money still now that it is out of the HSA account.

3) I don't need a corrected W2 or anything, because I can show I withdrew the excess contributions.

Is that how I properly file this?

Thank you so much in advance!
 
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