The 480: power consumption, PCI-E powerdraw

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The 12V rails are connected together at the card level and in the PSU as well, the line of lower resistance will force a higher current path, in principle the 6pin cable has the lower voltage drop since it supply only the GPU and that the ATX + MB routing has significantly higher resistance, the more other components drain power the more the GPU power will be dispatched to the 6 pin connector.

Interesting. Measured a psu few times with multiple separate 12v sections and the wires not being connected in the psu. Usually the CPU 12V and sometimes separate wires for the GPU.
But even then, the combined resistive path is lower. So i agree.

That s accurate, there s two dynamic systems in serial, higher peak power can be due to a more beafy card or PC PSU that take less time to compensate the reservoir capacitor s losses of charge..

Anyway i find those power matters blown out of proportion in the case that interest us, moreover given that previous competing products did display the same behaviour sometimes even more blatantly without anybody only noticing before Polaris was released...

I too find the matters blown out of proportion. Toms hardware has such an expensive oscilloscope, can it not do math on the acquired measurement data and calculate the average power use ?
At work we have digital 4 channel agilent scopes and all can perform math on the signal to calculate values.
 

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Interesting. Measured a psu few times with multiple separate 12v sections and the wires not being connected in the psu. Usually the CPU 12V and sometimes separate wires for the GPU.
But even then, the combined resistive path is lower. So i agree.

Even if there s separate 12V outputs they still originate from a same transformer secondary, they could be rectified and filtered separately but the voltage control will drive the primary switching circuitry using a sum of the different rails as reference, wich get us back to the equivalent of a single rail.

I too find the matters blown out of proportion. Toms hardware has such an expensive oscilloscope, can it not do math on the acquired measurement data and calculate the average power use ?
At work we have digital 4 channel agilent scopes and all can perform math on the signal to calculate values.

In principle the hardware has such an averaging, now how the data is fed and what is exactly measured is another matter, some sites use an interposer for the PCIe connector that allow to have an accurate idea, dont know the exact methodology, i think resistances of extremely low value and instrumentation amplifiers to get the signal at high enough level.
 

MrTeal

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The 12V rails are connected together at the card level and in the PSU as well, the line of lower resistance will force a higher current path, in principle the 6pin cable has the lower voltage drop since it supply only the GPU and that the ATX + MB routing has significantly higher resistance, the more other components drain power the more the GPU power will be dispatched to the 6 pin connector.

You sure like to say things with a lot of certainty, but that's just not true for the majority of cards. In fact, not only are the PCIe card edge fingers not commoned to the +12V pins of the PCI-e power connectors, often the two PCIe plugs are not commoned together. Get a multimeter out and try it some time, you'll measure 0 ohms between the three 12V pins of the power connector, but an open between the 12V lines of two different 6 pin plugs.
 

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PC Per with a bit more updated info.

The highest power draw I measured with the RX 480 at stock settings showed 80-85 watts of power draw at over 7A on the +12V line and 4.5-5.0 watts of power draw on the 3.3V line. These were consistent power draw numbers, not intermittent spikes, and users have a right to know how it works. When overclocked, we witnessed motherboard PCIe slot +12V power draw at 95+ watts!

The numbers above represent a “bad case” scenario but are by no means a “worst case” scenario for the RX 480.

I asked around our friends in the motherboard business for some feedback on this issue - is it something that users should be concerned about or are modern day motherboards built to handle this type of variance? One vendor told me directly that while spikes as high as 95 watts of power draw through the PCIE connection are tolerated without issue, sustained power draw at that kind of level would likely cause damage. The pins and connectors are the most likely failure points - he didn’t seem concerned about the traces on the board as they had enough copper in the power plane to withstand the current.

As we all know with hardware failures in PCs, this is something that could in theory happen during a single gaming session, or it might instead take months and months of gaming to wear down componentry. Or it might never affect your system at all. I tend to lean on the side of worrying less about this power draw concern than many in the community are pushing me to. Following the likes of ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte over the last 5-10 years, I have seen all the major motherboard vendors focus on quality of componentry, and specifically on power delivery, in a wide range of product families. That doesn’t mean that any one particular motherboard is not prepared for the overclocked power draw on a Radeon RX 480, or that lower cost or older motherboards that some gamers are still using in their PCs might not be built to withstand it. We just don’t know yet; not enough hardware is in enough hands.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ns-Radeon-RX-480/Overclocking-Current-Testing
 
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You sure like to say things with a lot of certainty, but that's just not true for the majority of cards. In fact, not only are the PCIe card edge fingers not commoned to the +12V pins of the PCI-e power connectors, often the two PCIe plugs are not commoned together. Get a multimeter out and try it some time, you'll measure 0 ohms between the three 12V pins of the power connector, but an open between the 12V lines of two different 6 pin plugs.

That is interesting. Are these pins connected directly to the mosfets in the multiphase converter ? For the radeon rx480 that would be 2phases for each wire.
 
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That is weird. I cannot edit my post. It says i have no permission and that ishould log in while i am logged in. Is at forum hacked again ?
 
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Weird. Reading thru the thread it looks like it's overblown too me.

Looks like the 960 and 750ti would have killed lots of boards by now if the tolerance/spec is so tight.

Not saying ignore it....Just don't use it as an excuse for purchasing/justifying an alternative product choice.

You mean the specs for 8% variance is blown out of the water by the 750Ti & 960 (two of the most popular entry & mainstream cards ever) and nobody made a big deal out of it?

Somehow not a single reviewer had issues with the card crashing, burning up when overclocked (remember the GTX 690s that blew up? They needed a new bios to cap the power)..

I'm getting 2 hopefully delivered today to CF. I'll be seeking vengeance if it blows up my motherboard, but I doubt it will happen.
 

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You mean the specs for 8% variance is blown out of the water by the 750Ti & 960 (two of the most popular entry & mainstream cards ever) and nobody made a big deal out of it?

Somehow not a single reviewer had issues with the card crashing, burning up when overclocked (remember the GTX 690s that blew up? They needed a new bios to cap the power)..

I'm getting 2 hopefully delivered today to CF. I'll be seeking vengeance if it blows up my motherboard, but I doubt it will happen.

What brand/mem spec? Would like to see some solid user benchmarks. What cards do you currently have that you could compare it against?
 
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What brand/mem spec? Would like to see some solid user benchmarks. What cards do you currently have that you could compare it against?

2x XFX 480 8GB. All the cards are using Samsung vram.

Had a 290X, now using old 7950.. 1080p gaming on a 4K monitor, but it's better than Intel.
 

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Nice, where abouts in oz are you? Get them from PCCG? I see theyve since sold out of the black editions


If the AIB cards can hit some decent clocks, low temps i will be tempted to get one to replace a 290x.

I kind of wish AMD would communicate better about future products instead of being so cagey.
 

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I'll make the same point I've been making a thousand times on a thousand different forums: we are getting these power consumption results from from reviewers who recommended the card. If this was worth worrying about, the people reporting it would not have suggested you buy the 480. Even [H] recommended the 480!

I kinda think [H] had to since they had some pretty biased reviews lately. This way they can save face and once the 1060 drops rip into the 480.
 

Kenmitch

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You mean the specs for 8% variance is blown out of the water by the 750Ti & 960 (two of the most popular entry & mainstream cards ever) and nobody made a big deal out of it?

Somehow not a single reviewer had issues with the card crashing, burning up when overclocked (remember the GTX 690s that blew up? They needed a new bios to cap the power)..

I'm getting 2 hopefully delivered today to CF. I'll be seeking vengeance if it blows up my motherboard, but I doubt it will happen.

Funny how that works. Nvidia gets the pass all the time. AMD for some reason is scrutinized, analyzed, and persecuted for silly things all the time.

Did you go cheap on your MB? I always buy mid grade Gigabyte Z series boards myself. My current one along with my son's have an auxiliary pcie power connector used for mgpu setups.
 

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If this is really accurate, and typical for a full GPU load on AIB cards, then it means one of two things. Either the best bins all went to AIBs and the reference cards got the dregs, or there was something very, very wrong with the BIOS on the reference units.
 

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If this is really accurate, and typical for a full GPU load on AIB cards, then it means one of two things. Either the best bins all went to AIBs and the reference cards got the dregs, or there was something very, very wrong with the BIOS on the reference units.

I'm guessing bios, the reviewers apparently got a special one that allowed them to swap between 4gb and 8gb modes (though seems like only one or two actually bothered to test it...)
 

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If this is really accurate, and typical for a full GPU load on AIB cards, then it means one of two things. Either the best bins all went to AIBs and the reference cards got the dregs, or there was something very, very wrong with the BIOS on the reference units.

The GPU is not at full load.

The first one is a render test that applies sufficient load (not stress) on the GPU to pull it out of PCI-Express link-state power-management, to ensure the Bus information is accurate. If you find the PCI-Express bus link speed or PCIe version displayed incorrectly, simply click on the "?" button next to the field to launch the load test.

When I run it on my GPU it pegs the GPU load at 100%, but the power consumption at the wall is at 70% of usual gaming load.

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Also, 110W is GPU only.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qk17o/my_xfx_480_power_draw/d4tp4hc
 
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LTC8K6

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Don't you need to know how much power the card is drawing from the PCI-E slot, not how much power it draws overall?

What is the split between slot and power connector? One card could be at 120W, and be drawing 80 watts through the slot and 40 watts from the connector. A different 120 watt card could be drawing 70 watts through the slot and 50 watts from the connector.
 

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Going by the undervolting threads around the net, could it be that the "adaptive clocking" is not active/working on the RX480?

And Raja said in the PCPer stream that P10 did not have all the "energy saving" features activated, what could that be and why not enable it on the P10?
 

Seba

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Weird. Reading thru the thread it looks like it's overblown too me.

Looks like the 960 and 750ti would have killed lots of boards by now if the tolerance/spec is so tight.

Not saying ignore it....Just don't use it as an excuse for purchasing/justifying an alternative product choice.

I only seen that problem reported by Tom's Hardware on just one model of GTX 960: Asus Strix. Other GTX 960 models tested by them were below 75W on the PCI-E slot.
 

Qwertilot

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Maybe they didn't get them working on time, maybe they don't make sense in the context of a desktop card vs a mobile one, maybe.....
 
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This is strange, they are forgetting the rest of the system needs power too.
177W at the wall inlet. Forgetting the cpu, the dram, any hdd or ssd connected...

The link does not work :
the website is the Crypto Mining Blog.
I added a space for .
http://cryptomining-blog .com/8033-testing-the-amd-radeon-rx-480-for-ethereum-mining/

http://cryptomining-*********/8033-testing-the-amd-radeon-rx-480-for-ethereum-mining/
We are using Claymore’s Dual Miner, starting with the default settings of 1266 MHz for the GPU and 8 GHz for the video memory withing the standard 150W TDP limit of the Radeon RX 480 GPU. The result we are getting is about 24.7-24.8 MHS at stock settings with GPU-Z reported power usage of about 108 W, but with actual power usage measured at the wall of 177 Watt. So taking into account the power conversion efficiency of an 80 Plus Gold PSU that was used the actual power usage of the card is apparently 150W at the default settings. This is further confirmed by the fact that while mining Ethereum with the default settings the GPU frequency hovers up to about 1240 MHz and does not go all the way up to 1266 MHz. Essentially hitting the power limit of 150W that the card has, increasing a bit the power limiter by a few percent over the default 100% allows the GPU to stay at the full 1266 MHz… not that it makes any difference for mining Ethereum, but it could be important for other not so video memory intensive crypto algorithms.
 
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