The 6770's on newegg are nothing more than exspensive 5770's

[NoQuarter]

Yes, thats the way AMD does crossfire, just take the first 2 numbers of any card and if they are the same they can crossfire.

6970 and 6950 and 6990
5850 and 5870
6850 and 6870
6770 and 6750 and 5770 and 5750
ect. ect. ect.
They will all work.

edit: never mind that theory is shot, , well that the way it used to be. I don't see why not, they are the same card.

Yea there's no technical reason they shouldn't be able to CF, just wondering if they are allowing it or strictly enforcing the idea that these are not the same card.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

yea, you just remove the 5770 sticker and replace it with 6770 sticker. Make sure you don't brick it.

Replacing the sticker doesn't get you HDMI 1.4a or DisplayPort 1.2, which is what the Sapphire card offers. Are you're going to continue making these ridiculous statements?

Wait, I guess I could buy a Powercolor HD 5770 and put a Sapphire sticker on it. It will transform the card with an overclock and give me the Vapor-X heatsink. Or maybe if I put an XFX sticker on it I'll get a double lifetime warranty.

We should all buy some stickers.

 

[Keysplayr]

Replacing the sticker doesn't get you HDMI 1.4a or DisplayPort 1.2, which is what the Sapphire card offers. Are you're going to continue making these ridiculous statements?

Wait, I guess I could buy a Powercolor HD 5770 and put a Sapphire sticker on it. It will transform the card with an overclock and give me the Vapor-X heatsink. Or maybe if I put an XFX sticker on it I'll get a double lifetime warranty.

We should all buy some stickers.

So then 6770 are not rebranded 5770?

 

[cusideabelincoln]

So then 6770 are not rebranded 5770?

Are you going to keep using a straw man?

 

[Keysplayr]

Are you going to keep using a straw man?

It's as straightforward a question as it gets bud. Is the 6770 a rebranded 5770 or not?

 

[jiffylube1024]

It's dumb that ATI renamed/rebadged the 5770 as the 6770. Unfortunately, mainstream consumers are dumb too, and constantly fall for mistakes like "more onboard memory = faster card" - so you see things like 2GB cards with few shader units. The other common consumer mistake is that a bigger number is better, ie. the 6770 is inherently better than the 5770.

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One thing to keep in mind is that this is NOTHING compared to what is happening in the mobile GPU sector. There is so much similarity and overlap between ATI's 4xxx / 5xxx and 6xxx cards. Similarly, many Nvidia cards are virtually identical between GTX 3xx 4xx and now 5xx series.

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I was annoyed at Nvidia when they re-released the 8800GT as the 9800GT, and this is similarly pointless. I can see why ATI is rereleasing the 5770 -- the 8800GT and 5770 are/were both very successful and competitive cards in their pricepoints and deserve an extended life.

The one good thing with both the 9800GT and 6770 is that you get a card that was/is competitive for the time, and the price is reasonable. If there was a massive markup between generations, that would be just straight up gouging. Instead, there's barely a price difference between 5770's and 6770's now. 5770s did dip under $100 with rebates for awhile, but GPU prices can and do fluctuate. If the 6770's were in the $140-150 range, I would find that utterly ridiculous. Fortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

It's as straightforward a question as it gets bud. Is the 6770 a rebranded 5770 or not?

Did I ever say it was not?

And do you really think that was what I was disputing? If so then things are going over your head. If not then nice straw man.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Whoever is in charge of AMD's marketing department has been messing up royally for some time now. This is a dirty move similar to what OCZ recently did with their Vertex 2 25nm SSDs. They have also released way too many GPUs with similar performance IMO. Their model numbers have been stupid. The 5870 and 5850 being faster than their 6870/6850 counterparts is one example of this.

The Vertex 2 was a different/inferior product (less storage capacity and slower) sold under the exact same label. 5770 > 6770 is a virtually identical product sold under a different label. They're two very different situations.

The 5850/5870 > 6850/6870 situation was a third, different scenario. I do agree that it was and is a bit confusing for consumers. In hindsight, AMD was saving the 6770 name and ultimately it became the rebadged 5770.
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In AMD's defense - the 6850 and 6870 were always planned for 32nm, which would have given AMD 25% more die space to work with, and make a card that was marginally faster than the 5850/5870.


It's very possible that the 6770 was supposed to be done on 32nm as well. 40nm has had such a long run that AMD is kinda stuck; they could redesign the 5770 for a marginal performance increase, but it probably would be a waste of R&D resources.

 

[Larries]

It is, a change in micro-code in the bios. The 1.4a standard didn't exist when the 5770 was released.
Ryan Smith mentions this in his article.

Thanks for the info.

One more question I want to clarify. Is the output part compatible?

i.e. can you take a genuine 5770 card, update the bios, and then it become compatible with 1.4a or do you need to change something else in the card also (although the GPU is the same)?

 

[Dark Shroud]

It's as straightforward a question as it gets bud. Is the 6770 a rebranded 5770 or not?

Not entirely, the 6770 has an updated BIOS/Firmware. AMD added HDMI 1.4, Displayport 1.2, and AMD's newer UVD engine. So it is better than a 5770.

The 6770 is a good enough stop gap until the 7000 series cards come out on the new process.

 

[notty22]

Thanks for the info.

One more question I want to clarify. Is the output part compatible?

i.e. can you take a genuine 5770 card, update the bios, and then it become compatible with 1.4a or do you need to change something else in the card also (although the GPU is the same)?

Its definitely the same gpu. Juniper. The 1.4a standard is going to allow the card to run bluray 3d.
I'd imagine you would gain the functionality with a 6770 flash, but noone will know until someone tries it.
If you read the FAQ here : It states a couple things.

Are manufacturers required to implement all of the new HDMI 1.4 features?

No. HDMI technology is designed to enable a wide variety of manufacturers in different markets to implement the feature sets that work best for their customers.

I believe , all thats added is support for bluray 3d



Are HDMI 1.4 devices going to be backwards-compatible with older HDMI (v.1.0 - 1.3) devices?

Yes, devices built to the HDMI 1.4 specification will be fully backwards-compatible with existing HDMI devices and their features.
Can older HDMI (v.1.0 - 1.3) devices be firmware-upgraded to take advantage of the new features introduced in HDMI 1.4?

Probably not. Most of the new features introduced in HDMI 1.4 will require a new HDMI chip to enable, and cannot be upgraded via firmware.

Its still possible , whatever functionality they did add,(bluray 3d) could be picked up from a bios flash. ?

 

[happy medium]

thats a great post notty!!!!

 

[SickBeast]

Yeah notty is a useful guy. He knows stuff. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[badb0y]

It's a rebadge and it sucks and I hate AMD/nVidia when they try to pull this crap.

IMO they should have just stuck with the 5770 name and run Juniper until 28 nm was ready and then die shrink it to 6770 and use it as a pipe cleaner.

 

[Keysplayr]

Did I ever say it was not?

And do you really think that was what I was disputing? If so then things are going over your head. If not then nice straw man.

No, not at all. Just wondering "why" you're disuputing the things you are disputing when it has no effect on the outcome of the conclusion of this thread.

In other words, what the heck are you arguing about really?

 

[Zargon]

No, not at all. Just wondering "why" you're disuputing the things you are disputing when it has no effect on the outcome of the conclusion of this thread.

In other words, what the heck are you arguing about really?

I guess it depends on 2 things,what do we defne a rebadge as? is there a scale? if there was a scale, surely yes, and probbbly a midpack rbadge. they added features that may or may not be be bio flashable. so it not the exact same, but it not like they reworked the same card to a smaller process, which is the best 'rebadge'.

and since they added features, and if they are not bios flashable ala new chis(butnot imptant shaders or faster mem ETC) is it still a rebadge since nots really identical?

Yes, thats the way AMD does crossfire, just take the first 2 numbers of any card and if they are the same they can crossfire.

6970 and 6950 and 6990
5850 and 5870
6850 and 6870
6770 and 6750 and 5770 and 5750
ect. ect. ect.
They will all work.

edit: never mind that theory is shot, , well that the way it used to be. I don't see why not, they are the same card.

please leave advice giving to someone who is actually informed

 

[happy medium]

please leave advice giving to someone who is actually informed

Your chart actually proves my theory, what are you trying to say?

 

[Spikesoldier]

Your chart actually proves my theory, what are you trying to say?

i think his opinion and confidence of your theory may have been skewed after two hundred reply thread!

 

[notty22]

There is no display port 1.2 , its mentioned in the review here.

At the end of the day this rebadging seems to only benefit AMD and their partners, to the detriment of buyers. In a weird twist it’s a bit better than how they handled the 6800 series – at least the 6700 series isn’t slower than the 5700 series – but that’s not saying much. Besides the backported MVC/HDMI 1.4a features, the 6700 series lacks everything else that made the rest of the 6000 series an improvement over the 5000 series. There’s no DisplayPort 1.2, no MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 ASP decoding, no color correction, no improved tessellator, and no linear space color correction. With the exception of perhaps DP1.2 they’re not headlining features, but they’re glaring inconsistencies.

 

[Zargon]

Your chart actually proves my theory, what are you trying to say?

you mean it confirms your edit after you were already wrong.

instead of just saying stuff, I actually provided real inforation from the 'experts'

i can understand your confusion on how they are different though.


and thank you notty for tracking down real info and providing a link!

 

[cusideabelincoln]

No, not at all. Just wondering "why" you're disuputing the things you are disputing when it has no effect on the outcome of the conclusion of this thread.

In other words, what the heck are you arguing about really?

You can't be serious. I've directed my points specifically and clearly. Those points of interest are what I'm trying to convey, and there right there plain as day. There are issues in regards to context-shaving of information, in some cases just mistaken information, and in other cases the ridiculous behavior of the OP. It's all right here in this very thread. Now for the third time: Go read the damn thing, because it appears as if you have not and you are just assuming I'm in some contested argument of red vs green, and like happy, seem to be implying I'm "defending" - connotation incredibly relevant.

Why do you need to know the why? That is for you to figure out for your own damn self. And according to rules here, if getting my "why" is the only intent of all of your posts, which is looks like it has been, then you have just simply been off topic the entire time. Is there a problem with any of the points I've made about the 6770? If there is, you haven't said a damn thing to contest any specific thing I've said, and I've been as specific as you can reasonably expect. Do you disagree with my points? Because you haven't contested any of them or given any kind of reasoning of your own.

So are you going to to continue down your, thus far, pointless line of questioning? I mean... it really has no effect on the outcome of the conclusion of this thread.

Oh and I guess since you can't be bothered to take the time to contest anything I've said, I will make a self correction which I implied earlier: The Sapphire 6770 doesn't have DP 1.2, but does have HDMI 1.4a. I assumed Sapphire updated that specific model with DP 1.2, but I was looking at the wrong product page. So my sarcastic sticker line doesn't have the same impact, but regardless it should still get the point across.

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?psn=0001&pid=1190

 

[happy medium]

you mean it confirms your edit after you were already wrong.

I edited that message in the middle of posting it, it had nothing to do with your post~!? If I edited the post it would say I did at the bottom.

I got my information from that link before Notty posted it, hahaha what are you talking about? Do you think thats some sort of secret link? Its been in my favorites and has beeen there for years.

Sticking to the topic, I see no reason why a 5770 and 6770 will crossfire.
I think the real question can you use the added hdmi 1.4 feature on the 6770 card when crossfired with a 5770 card?

 

[GaiaHunter]

It was a bad move for the consumers when NVIDIA did it and it is a bad move for the consumers when AMD does it as well.

It is also a bad move for the PC gaming sector - regular people shouldn't be afraid of "upgrading" their graphics card and the potential PC gaming market needs to be bigger for publishers and devs to invest more money to do better games.

Other than that the 5770 is a good card and so is the 6770 since it is the same card.

 

[WMD]

It is not shoddy marketing. Infact it is in intentional and deceptive marketing. Good for AMD bad for unknowing consumers. But then the move was understandable. They really cannot make the 6770 any faster otherwise it would cannibalize cards higher up such as 6790 and 6850.

 

[PingviN]

It's dumb that ATI renamed/rebadged the 5770 as the 6770. Unfortunately, mainstream consumers are dumb too, and constantly fall for mistakes like "more onboard memory = faster card" - so you see things like 2GB cards with few shader units. The other common consumer mistake is that a bigger number is better, ie. the 6770 is inherently better than the 5770.

I don't think AMD is out to fool it's customers, they're updating the name to fit into it's current product line. While it's not always a good thing, it does help new costumers to understand where the card is performance wise. Same goes with Nvidia. I doubt they forgo their long-term strategical goal in creating trust to sell a few for GPUs by re-branding. Since AMD won't release a "proper" HD 6770 due to TCSM's inability to get their 32nm node working, new names for old hardware is to be expected.