The 6770's on newegg are nothing more than exspensive 5770's

[3DVagabond]

This does not change the fact that the 5770 is cheaper than the 6770 for no good reason, like I have shown over and over.

The 5770 is EOL'd and aging stock. You don't think that's a good reason for it to be cheaper?

 

[Larries]

You can ask those kinds of questions in the same way as you would the 6770, if you were to consider the 6770 simply just a different model of the 5770. It does offer things some 5770s don't, just the same some 5770s offer things other 5770s don't.

Most signs point towards the card manufacturers and retailers dictating the price. The chip is a Juniper chip and the same as the 5770. /bThe difference between a 6770 and 5770 is the same thing that's different between different models of the 5770: everything else on the PCB./

Aye what you said is true too. Thats why in my original post last paragraph, I say one thing we do not know is whether AMD charges more for 6770 or not. And from the existing 6770 pricing, either there is no difference in AMD charges or the difference is very small.

But also, AMD could have avoided all these arguments/discussions themselves in the first place.

Regarding your final sentence... that is something that I am trying to find out. Whether there is PCB difference between the 5770 and 6770.

 

[Rifter]

I just read the whole post, should be a award for that.

I think most agree that its a bad move on ATI/AMD's part.

I think most agree it was a bad move on Nvidias part with the 8xxx-9xxx rebadge's as well

I think OCguy brought up a good point in post #137

When Nvidia did it it was the end of the world and the sky was falling and the forums were a war zone but now that AMD is following its all good, shows the true colors of some posters.

I agree happy could have gone about this alot better even though he has a real good point.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Regarding your final sentence... that is something that I am trying to find out. Whether there is PCB difference between the 5770 and 6770.

Most 5770s are different from one another, whether it be the heastink, overclock, etc. So I'd imagine the 6770s are different; they look like they are to some degree.

I agree happy could have gone about this alot better

You missed the "best" part, which was edited out over the course of this thread.

 

[Chiropteran]

When Nvidia did it it was the end of the world and the sky was falling and the forums were a war zone but now that AMD is following its all good, shows the true colors of some posters.

When nvidia did it, and then did it again, they set the precedent. AMD is simply playing the game by the same rules as nvidia. It's sad that AMD couldn't be better than this, but it is a highly competitive business and you can't afford to ignore your enemies tactics.

 

[Zargon]

Facts..

The 5770 cost less then a equally performing 6770 of the same vendor.
The Sapphire 5770 has one extra video output compared to the higher price 6770
The Sapphire 5770 also come with a 10$ crossfire cable compared to a Saphire 6770 that also cost 10$ more.
The Sapphire 6770 is nothing more than a rebadged 5770 with added blueray support for more money.

The Powercolor 6770 with added blueray support costs 14$ more than the equallly performing powercolor 5770.


Many people will be decieved into thinking a 6770 performs better than a 5770, because of the rebage.

AMD rebaging the 5770 is wrong and is not good for the consumer.

The purpose of this thread is to inform members and readers of this sort of trickery.

Quote:

"I would hope this thread accomplishes a few things.

First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again"

you left out 5 display support. again. and I must stress again, # of outputs means very little, compared to max # of displays supported. on a 5770 you can only drive 3 monitors unless its the way pricier 5770 eyefinity5

you keep leaving that out because well, it doesnt fit your FUD.


rifterrut: some of us arent AMD fanboi's merely attempting to keep happy honest, which is apparantly rather hard as he constantly ignores actual facts that are posted with links to the proof

 

[Rifter]

You missed the "best" part, which was edited out over the course of this thread.

I know with huge threads i always wait till they slow down and then read them then as its easier to keep up when they are almost done and getting few posts per hour, but then you miss the edits.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

When nvidia did it, and then did it again, they set the precedent. AMD is simply playing the game by the same rules as nvidia. It's sad that AMD couldn't be better than this, but it is a highly competitive business and you can't afford to ignore your enemies tactics.

I thought it was a good move, in principle, for Nvidia to do it with the GTS 250. It saved them some engineering resources. The GTS 250 (9800GTX+) performed as you would have expected a part just below the GTX 260 to perform. It correspondingly used less power than the GTX 260. Its feature set was pretty much the same. And of course price was lower. The only shady part is they did allow companies to literally replace the sticker on the 512MB card, while the 1GB got a new, more efficient PCB design.

What was shady about the 9800GT is that some 65nm chips were sold under the 9800 brand which included 55nm chips. I think 55nm should have been standard and enforced. The first 9800GTX was different enough from the 8800GTX to warrant a new name. A new generation? Well...

AMD set a precedent with the HD 3870, because the HD 2000 series were so horrible they had to get move on from that brand of series. But when you bought a 3870 you absolutely knew you weren't getting an HD 2900; there were no straight up sticker swaps. That wasn't always the case with the 9800GT and GTS 250.

Before the 3870/9800GTX, the companies would have called these cards the HD 2950 XT and 8850 GTX.

 

[notty22]

you left out 5 display support. again. and I must stress again, # of outputs means very little, compared to max # of displays supported. on a 5770 you can only drive 3 monitors unless its the way pricier 5770 eyefinity5

you keep leaving that out because well, it doesnt fit your FUD.


rifterrut: some of us arent AMD fanboi's merely attempting to keep happy honest, which is apparantly rather hard as he constantly ignores actual facts that are posted with links to the proof

The 6770 only supports 3 way eyefinity. There is conflicting information at Saphires web site, because in the initial description it alludes to 5 monitors. That is only possible with a display port hub and display port 1.2 which the 6770 lacks.

Under system requirements:

• PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard.
• 450 Watt Power Supply is required.
• 600 Watt Power Supply is recommended for CrossFireX™ System.
• 1 X 75Watt 6-pin PCI Express power connector is required.
• 2 X 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express power connector is required for CrossFireX™ system.
• Certified power supplies are recommended. Please refer to: http://support.amd.com/us/certified/power-supplies/Pages/listing.aspx
• 1024 MB Minimum of system memory.
• Installation software requires CD-ROM drive.
• DVD playback requires DVD drive.
• Blu-ray™ / HD DVD playback requires Blu-ray / HD DVD drive.
• For an AMD CrossFireX™ system, a second same AMD Radeon™ graphics card, an AMD CrossFireX™ Ready motherboard and one AMD CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable per graphics card (optional) are required.
• To support 3 displays, one of the monitors has to support DisplayPort.

On other models such as the 68xx , they mention display port 1.2, not on the 6770.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?psn=000101&pid=1190

Here the 6870 remarks display port 1.2
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&psn=000101&pid=1079

AMD’s Radeon HD 6770 & Radeon HD 6750: The Retail Radeon 5700 Rebadge
At the end of the day this rebadging seems to only benefit AMD and their partners, to the detriment of buyers. In a weird twist it’s a bit better than how they handled the 6800 series – at least the 6700 series isn’t slower than the 5700 series – but that’s not saying much. Besides the backported MVC/HDMI 1.4a features, the 6700 series lacks everything else that made the rest of the 6000 series an improvement over the 5000 series. There’s no DisplayPort 1.2, no MPEG-2 or MPEG-4 ASP decoding, no color correction, no improved tessellator, and no linear space color correction. With the exception of perhaps DP1.2 they’re not headlining features, but they’re glaring inconsistencies.

 

[Zargon]

The 6770 only supports 3 way eyefinity. There is conflicting information at Saphires web site, because in the initial description it alludes to 5 monitors. That is only possible with a display port hub and display port 1.2 which the 6770 lacks.

Under system requirements:

• PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard.
• 450 Watt Power Supply is required.
• 600 Watt Power Supply is recommended for CrossFireX™ System.
• 1 X 75Watt 6-pin PCI Express power connector is required.
• 2 X 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express power connector is required for CrossFireX™ system.
• Certified power supplies are recommended. Please refer to: http://support.amd.com/us/certified/power-supplies/Pages/listing.aspx
• 1024 MB Minimum of system memory.
• Installation software requires CD-ROM drive.
• DVD playback requires DVD drive.
• Blu-ray™ / HD DVD playback requires Blu-ray / HD DVD drive.
• For an AMD CrossFireX™ system, a second same AMD Radeon™ graphics card, an AMD CrossFireX™ Ready motherboard and one AMD CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable per graphics card (optional) are required.
• To support 3 displays, one of the monitors has to support DisplayPort.

On other models such as the 68xx , they mention display port 1.2, not on the 6770.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?psn=000101&pid=1190

Here the 6870 remarks display port 1.2
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?leg=&psn=000101&pid=1079

awesome thanks for the info. too bad about only 3 monitors, was thinking of ordering a few at work


thats much better than merely saying it doesnt or dimissing it as unimportant

 

[Larries]

I just read the whole post, should be a award for that.

I think most agree that its a bad move on ATI/AMD's part.

I think most agree it was a bad move on Nvidias part with the 8xxx-9xxx rebadge's as well

I think OCguy brought up a good point in post #137

When Nvidia did it it was the end of the world and the sky was falling and the forums were a war zone but now that AMD is following its all good, shows the true colors of some posters.

I agree happy could have gone about this alot better even though he has a real good point.

Maybe a large part of why Nvidia's rebadge 'discussion' got so heated up was that Nvidia was not admitting it, and was actually confusing to the customers? Thus causing a lot of accusations and defending and more accusations (and insults) and even more defending (and insults)!

(I remembered reading somewhere that the 512MB version was a straight rebrand -- just changing the logo, but the 1GB version has some power improvement, so customers are even more confused because some of the 'rebranded' cards have improvement while others don't -- so a lot of argument was on whether Nvidia's card was rebrand or not in the first place).

At least in ATI's case, they are straight and say the 6770 is a 5770 with HDMI 1.4a support.

Of course, the following also stirred a lot of discussion back then...

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1051123/nvidia-cuts-reviewers-gts250

 

[Dribble]

Personally I thought the 68xx naming was worse as it ended a long line of x8xx processors by being slower then the one it replaced, so less tech savy customers who had faithfully bought a 3870, a 4870 and a 5870 (each a big upgrade) were going to get caught out when the got a 6870.

 

[happy medium]

At least in ATI's case, they are straight and say the 6770 is a 5770 with HDMI 1.4a support.

They did?

 

[GaiaHunter]

I just read the whole post, should be a award for that.

I think most agree that its a bad move on ATI/AMD's part.

I think most agree it was a bad move on Nvidias part with the 8xxx-9xxx rebadge's as well

I think OCguy brought up a good point in post #137

When Nvidia did it it was the end of the world and the sky was falling and the forums were a war zone but now that AMD is following its all good, shows the true colors of some posters.

I agree happy could have gone about this alot better even though he has a real good point.

It is also interesting that the people that were saying re-branding was ok when nvidia did it now they are complaining people don't bash AMD.

 

[happy medium]

It is also interesting that the people that were saying re-branding was ok when nvidia did it now they are complaining people don't bash AMD.

I believe those people were wrong then, as are the poeple in this thread spinning the AMD rebranding.

The point is to condem it all together.:thumbsup:

 

[cusideabelincoln]

They did?

http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/...md-confirms-radeon-hd-6770-and-hd-6750-retail

I believe those people were wrong then, as are the poeple in this thread spinning the AMD rebranding.

The point is to condem it all together.

You need to give up this "spin". Your exaggerated claims, context-shaving, interjections, dismissals, and continued accusations on the character of posters are more qualified trade marks of someone trying to spin an angle than anyone else in this thread is doing.

 

[happy medium]

You need to give up this "spin". Your exaggerated claims, context-shaving, interjections, dismissals, and continued accusations on the character of posters are more trade marks of someone trying to spin than anyone else in this thread is doing.

You need to stop arguing and just say its wrong, but its a little late for that now I guess.

And that article talks about OEM cards.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

You need to stop arguing and just say its wrong, but its a little late for that now I guess.

And that article talks about OEM cards.

Whether it's right or wrong is not what I've been arguing the entire time. STOP USING THE STRAW MAN FALLACIES. But if you must know my personal opinions, I didn't think it was wrong with the GTS 250 and I don't really think it's wrong here. I'm pretty much neutral on the matter. It really doesn't make a big difference for those two scenarios.

Did you read the article? It mentions retail cards. No where does it say AMD has denied the 6770 weren't 5770s, or that the OEM was different than retail. The 6770 OEM is the same as the 6770 retail. AMD admits OEM 6770s are tweaked-PCB 5770s. How hard is this to figure out?

 

[GaiaHunter]

I don't think there is any doubts AMD admits the 6770 and the 5770 are the same card - after all you can crossfire a 5770+6770.

 

[happy medium]

I don't think there is any doubts AMD admits the 6770 and the 5770 are the same card - after all you can crossfire a 5770+6770.

Thanks good info.

 

[Skurge]

Whether it's right or wrong is not what I've been arguing the entire time. STOP USING THE STRAW MAN FALLACIES. But if you must know my personal opinions, I didn't think it was wrong with the GTS 250 and I don't really think it's wrong here. I'm pretty much neutral on the matter. It really doesn't make a big difference for those two scenarios.

Did you read the article? It mentions retail cards. No where does it say AMD has denied the 6770 weren't 5770s, or that the OEM was different than retail. The 6770 OEM is the same as the 6770 retail. AMD admits OEM 6770s are tweaked-PCB 5770s. How hard is this to figure out?

Might be time to give it up, someone clearly isn't interested in the "facts" or doing the right thing. Just trying to bash AMD. I don't see threads about the 460SE vs 460 768 or 460 vs 465 threads. when that is even worse as the cards have the same generational naming, but it says nothing about their performance relative to each other.

The thread started out fine by just saying its a re-branded card, but then it went crazy with post like "the 5770 is a great card, but the 6770 is a turd". No one would take a post like that seriously. If you do, then I don't care what card you buy, you aren't worth talking to.

 

[Idontcare]

I don't think there is any doubts AMD admits the 6770 and the 5770 are the same card - after all you can crossfire a 5770+6770.

Good on AMD for that! :thumbsup:

I see this as being a non-issue. Even people who might be thinking of replacing their 5770 with a 6770 because "the 6770 means it is new generation, so should be an upgrade over my old 5770" can xfire their cards and actually have an upgrade that takes advantage of the vid-card they bought last year.

I wish I could SLI my 460 with a 560. Would make a 560 upgrade all the more appealing.

 

[Bearach]

They did?

Have you not been reading all the posts? Yes, they did.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31631103&postcount=94

Under footnotes it is made more clear :

The AMD Radeon™ HD 6700 Series is based on the same hardware as the ATI Radeon™ HD 5700 Series, with added support for HDMI 1.4a for OEM customers.

 

[notty22]

That is very helpful that AMD updated the crossfire compatibility chart, and the fact that certain mix and matches are supported.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Have you not been reading all the posts? Yes, they did.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...3&postcount=94

Under footnotes it is made more clear :

Thanks good info.