The 6770's on newegg are nothing more than exspensive 5770's

[happy medium]

Changing the subject some.

Was there ever a chip besides the 9800gtx+ and gts250 and now the 5770 /6770 that was exactly the same before? No die shrink, exactly the same.

edit:
In fact there was a difference with the 9800gtx+ cards and gts250 cards, the power usage..37 less watts when loaded.

Mabe these 67xx cards will use even less power?

quote from Anand review..
"While the GPU is still a 55nm G92b, this is a much more mature yielding chip now than when the 9800 GTX+ first launched and thus power consumption is lower. With GPU and GDDR3 yields higher, power is lower and board costs can be driven down as well. The components on the board draw a little less power all culminating in a GPU that will somehow contribute to saving the planet a little better than the Radeon HD 4850. "
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2731

 

[toyota]

Changing the subject some.

Was there ever a chip besides the 9800gtx+ and gts250 and now the 5770 /6770 that was exactly the same before? No die shrink, exactly the same.

the gts250 1gb did change some stuff so it wasn't just a straight up rebadge of the 9800gtx+ card. the gts250 512mb though was literally just a rebadge of the 9800gtx+ in many cases. there have been some oem cards that were nothing more than a name change such as the gts240 which was just a 9800gt.

EDIT: obviously you can edit faster than I can type...

 

[happy medium]

the gts250 1gb did change some stuff so it wasn't just a straight up rebadge of the 9800gtx+ card. the gts250 512mb though was literally just a rebadge of the 9800gtx+ in many cases. there have been some oem cards that were nothing more than a name change such as the gts240 which was just a 9800gt.

EDIT: obviously you can edit faster than I can type...

yea after doing a little digging.
The 8800gtx was different than the 9800gtx, the 8800gts 512mb was different than the 9800gtx, and the 9800gtx+ was also different than the gts250.
None of these cards were straight up rebages, am I wrong? BUT to be fair they all had about the same performance, within 5/10% of each other.

 

[timma]

Gigabyte 5770 SO +1:thumbsup:

 

[cusideabelincoln]

YEs, read post #5

Quote:
"The 8800gt was made on the 65nm process but the 9800gt was introduced on the 65nm process but moved to the 55nm process."

The difference in wattage was 15 watts, just so you know.

Dropping support for something dosen't change the fact that it was inplemented on the NEW chip and not on the 8800gt.

15W? Looks more like 10W best case scenario. And the same exact idle usage.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...0-gt-roundup-evga-asus-gigabyte-palit-19.html

Hardly enough to not call them a rebadge, ESPECIALLY WHEN A LOT OF CARDS ACTUALLY WERE REBADGES. A mature 8800GT probably uses 15W less than a launch 8800GT. For all intents and purposes, they use the same power.

Was there ever a chip besides the 9800gtx+ and gts250 and now the 5770 /6770 that was exactly the same before? No die shrink, exactly the same.

8800GS, 9600GSO

GT 240 = GT 340

In fact there was a difference with the 9800gtx+ cards and gts250 cards, the power usage..37 less watts when loaded.

Mabe these 67xx cards will use even less power?

And GTS 250 512MB were 9800GTX+ rebadges. The 1GB was its own card, but used the same chip. What you're seeing in that graph is the effects of a more mature process and better board design. If they tested a new (at the time) 9800GTX+ and a 512MB, they would be practically the same.

Juniper was already incredibly efficient and low power at launch. They probably do use less power, but it's not incredibly significant to even worry about. Much the same the 9800GT<->8800 is not significant.

 

[happy medium]

8800GS, 9600GSO

GT 240 = GT 340

Yea thats the one, 8800gs and 9600gso, thanks

I never heard of a gt340? hmmm.

 

[happy medium]

And GTS 250 512MB were 9800GTX+ rebadges. The 1GB was its own card, but used the same chip.

I owned a 9800gtx+ 1gb, so that was a gts250 1gb or a little different?

 

[Lonyo]

Oh, so apparently we DO need a new thread rather than using the existing thread which already got bumped.


Thread-crapping is not acceptable.

If you have nothing productive to contribute that is germane to the thread topic then simply do not post in the thread.

Idontcare
Super Mod

 

[SlowSpyder]

Changing the subject some.

Was there ever a chip besides the 9800gtx+ and gts250 and now the 5770 /6770 that was exactly the same before? No die shrink, exactly the same.

edit:
In fact there was a difference with the 9800gtx+ cards and gts250 cards, the power usage..37 less watts when loaded.

Mabe these 67xx cards will use even less power?

quote from Anand review..
"While the GPU is still a 55nm G92b, this is a much more mature yielding chip now than when the 9800 GTX+ first launched and thus power consumption is lower. With GPU and GDDR3 yields higher, power is lower and board costs can be driven down as well. The components on the board draw a little less power all culminating in a GPU that will somehow contribute to saving the planet a little better than the Radeon HD 4850. "
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2731

Regarding the statement you made about there being a difference between the 9800GTX+ and GTS250, there is and there isn't.

Here are two cards that are identical, but with different stickers:

9800GTX+ - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130456

GTS250 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130468

See, the 9800GTX was a flagship model at one time, an expensive part. Then along came the $199 4850 that was faster, so Nvidia had to make a faster 9800GTX card, the 9800GTX+. Then the GTX2x0 cards came, so the formerly $400 ($300 with the 4850 launched if my memory is correct) part had to sell pretty cheap to fill in for the mid range, so a smaller GPU and a board with cheaper components (just my guess that they weren't going to use the same parts for a sub $200 card that used to sell for $400), this was the GTS250. But, depending on which 9800GTX+ or GTS250 you bought, it could have been the older design or newer design. The links above show that all the Nvidia partner had to do was choose what they would call the cards, but they could call it either, and often were in fact the exact same part.


*edit - Regarding the 6770 / 5770, do we know the specs for sure yet on the 6770? I thought it got a clock bump at least? Is it still a Juniper chip for sure, though? AMD should have used the 68xx cards as the 67xx cards in my opinion, then they could rebadge/clock bump the 5770 as a 66xx part... then at least even if a rebadge it would have been rebadged to a lower performance segment. But, I guess with the cancellation of 32nm this is the type of things that can happen. It was probably going to be difficult for AMD to make the 67xx much better than what the 57xx already is on the same process unless they had a VLIW4 version... which I guess that wasn't in the works or ready yet. I'm just speculating here.

 

[happy medium]

Regarding the 6770 / 5770, do we know the specs for sure yet on the 6770?

here under specs tab.....

http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/graphiccards/hd&#37;206000series/6770.aspx#2

 

[Qbah]

here under specs tab.....

http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/graphiccards/hd 6000series/6770.aspx#2

Man, it even comes with the old UVD2 D: That is just weak. But hey, it has a higher number, it must be better, AMIRITE?!!?/!1?1!

As for the other thing... if people consider OC versions of cards different cards then yeah, 8800GTS 512, 9800GTX, 9800GTX+ and GTS250 are different cards

The only "saving" thing with the 4 above cards is that the GTS250 was eventually redone on a lower node, meaning lower power draw. But the first batch was still the same 65nm, as the 8800GTS 512. I remember some folks trying to spin some BS about the 9-series having better shaders... D:

 

[SlowSpyder]

here under specs tab.....

http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/graphiccards/hd 6000series/6770.aspx#2

Ah, I missed that somehow. It looks like a straight ol' sticker swap.

 

[Phynaz]

Ah, I missed that somehow. It looks like a straight ol' sticker swap.

Yep. But we knew this earlier, didn't we?
(not that it's okay)

 

[Spikesoldier]

So you are saying the 6770 is a die shrunk 5770? It uses less power and runs cooler and than the 5770? or it will have a die shrink soon?

If so , I would love to read about it, link me up. thanks. :thumbsup:

AT LAUNCH.

much like nvidia did, this is probably an attempt to clear out excess gpu inventory (in preparation for next gen, or maybe for a die shrink)

 

[Phynaz]

AT LAUNCH.

much like nvidia did, this is probably an attempt to clear out excess gpu inventory (in preparation for next gen, or maybe for a die shrink)

I can see the former, but investing in a shrink for a 5770 isn't going to happen.

 

[3DVagabond]

What are we discussing?

1, Best Buy sells 5770 and 6770.
2, They charge more for the latter.
3, They are the same card.

Unless any of these facts are in dispute, lock the thread and roll on with the info.

 

[Spikesoldier]

I can see the former, but investing in a shrink for a 5770 isn't going to happen.

do you believe they would if perhaps this design was chosen for nintendo's upcoming wii2?

 

[Phynaz]

do you believe they would if perhaps this design was chosen for nintendo's upcoming wii2?

Yes, but I don't believe that either.

 

[Larries]

What are we discussing?

1, Best Buy sells 5770 and 6770.
2, They charge more for the latter.
3, They are the same card.

Unless any of these facts are in dispute, lock the thread and roll on with the info.

Number 2 NOT true. Number 3 is not exactly true (according to AMD, 6770 support HDMI 1.4, ut 5770 only 1.3a... whatever the difference is).

The two cards that OP linked are NOT FROM THE SAME BRAND. The 6770 is XFX and the 5770 is Asus.

For a more valid comparison, the following is a link from Bestbuy, the XFX 5770:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/XFX+-+AT...5770&amp;cp=1&amp;lp=1

is actually more expensive than the XFX 6770.

Now, can Bestbuy charge different prices for different brand?

 

[crisium]

Yea thats the one, 8800gs and 9600gso, thanks

Heh, I said the 8800GS to 9600GSO in the third post in this thread.

This may be before your time, but the only other one I can remember:

Radeon 8500LE to Radeon 9100

 

[3DVagabond]

Number 2 NOT true. Number 3 is not exactly true (according to AMD, 6770 support HDMI 1.4, ut 5770 only 1.3a... whatever the difference is).

The two cards that OP linked are NOT FROM THE SAME BRAND. The 6770 is XFX and the 5770 is Asus.

For a more valid comparison, the following is a link from Bestbuy, the XFX 5770:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/XFX+-+AT...5770&amp;cp=1&amp;lp=1

is actually more expensive than the XFX 6770.

Now, can Bestbuy charge different prices for different brand?

You are correct. I should have looked further to see that happy medium had selected the cheapest 5770 to compare to the 6770. There are 5770 that actually sell for more than the 6770 as well. Should have known better than to take the post at face value, I suppose.

I thought it was kinda wierd to sell the same exact card for 25$ more with different names?

Very misleading posting.

I didn't even really see the issue if the 6770 was more expensive than the 5770. The 6770 is, after all, a brand new model. The 5770 should be cheaper, IMO, to clear it in light of the newer model. I still would label it as a rebrand. The one new feature I don't think constitutes moving it to a 6000 series model.

I think both AMD and nVidia play the naming game to some degree I think the GTX580 should really be called the GTX385.

 

[happy medium]

Heh, I said the 8800GS to 9600GSO in the third post in this thread.

Sorry buddy, you get the credit, I missed that.

This thread/discussion is now being trolled anyway. Good discussion though guys, and thanks.

 

[Zap]

yea after doing a little digging.
The 8800gtx was different than the 9800gtx, the 8800gts 512mb was different than the 9800gtx, and the 9800gtx+ was also different than the gts250.
None of these cards were straight up rebages, am I wrong? BUT to be fair they all had about the same performance, within 5/10% of each other.

Starting from the oldest card:

8800 GTS 512MB used a 65nm G92 with 128 cores using one PCIe 6-pin power connector.

9800 GTX used a 65nm G92 with 128 cores but a much longer PCB with different components to be able to hit the higher clock speeds and using two PCIe 6-pin power connectors.

9800 GTX+ used a 55nm G92b with 128 cores and a similar PCB to the 9800 GTX with two PCIe 6-pin power connectors, and boosted clock speeds.

Somewhere along the lines, a revised 9800 GTX+ came about using a smaller PCB similar to the 8800 GTS 512MB with one PCIe 6-pin power connector. Also, a 1GB card came along with lower memory clocks.

Then came the GTS 250. The 512MB version was the same as the 9800 GTX+, while the 1GB version got a boost in memory speed.

Then came the GTS 250 "green that wasn't called green" with lower clocks (I think around the 675MHz core of the original 9800 GTX) but using less power.

Got that? So, the "newer version" 512MB 9800 GTX+ became the 512MB version of the GTS 250. That was the only straight "rebrand."

Of course that didn't stop manufacturers from rebranding other versions. For instance I think EVGA sold some 9800 GTX as GTX+ or the opposite. Forgot which, but there were some strange clock speed/name/PCB mixes. Also, PNY (and maybe Sparkle) did some GTS 250 cards using two 6-pin PCIe plugs meaning they recycled old PCBs (like the one here with reversed blower, not the newer one with axial fan in middle).

The 112 core G92:

8800 GT 512MB (who remembers slower 256MB?) was 65nm G92 and used one 6-pin PCIe power plug.

9800 GT 512MB started out the same but shortly (as soon as stock cleared) went 55nm. Eventually, however, it got a 1GB version and a smaller PCB.

Then, it went "green but can't call it green" with lower clocks and such low power draw that it no longer needed a 6-pin PCIe power plug.

So, the 512MB 8800 GT -> 9800 GT was kind of a rebrand.

Note that with both series (128 core and 112 core) there was the intention of these rebrands being different cards alltogether, but I guess the stars didn't align and the brand names didn't happen at the exact same time as die shrinks or whatever.

Oh yeah, one other difference between 8000 and 9000 series (except for 65nm 9800 GT) and besides HybridPower was that the 9000 series got HDMI audio pass-through by using a two pin SPDIF connector.

I owned a 9800gtx+ 1gb, so that was a gts250 1gb or a little different?

A little different. The memory spec of GTS 250 called for 2200MHz data rate while GTX+ 1GB called for 2000MHz data rate, but I think manufacturers fudged that all over the place.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Oh yeah, one other difference between 8000 and 9000 series (except for 65nm 9800 GT) and besides HybridPower was that the 9000 series got HDMI audio pass-through by using a two pin SPDIF connector.

Some 8000 cards had that. Did they make it standard on the 9000, and did manufacturers follow the standard?

 

[Zap]

AMD’s Radeon HD 6770 & Radeon HD 6750: The Retail Radeon 5700 Rebadge
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4296/
(posted 10 min ago)

Some 8000 cards had that. Did they make it standard on the 9000, and did manufacturers follow the standard?

It became standard. whether manufacturers followed it...