The 6770's on newegg are nothing more than exspensive 5770's

[happy medium]

Happy, I think your title is a bit overboard.

Ok i agree ,opologize to the members and changed it.
thanks for your input.

 

[happy medium]

Rebadges are most of the time customer rip-off's. Someone will have a 5750/70 and see 6750/70 and auto think a better video card.. HDMI 1.3 to 1.4 is not a compelling enough upgrade to warrant a relabeling.

This is true, believe it or not there are plenty of people out there without our knowledge of video cards, that are being ripped off by this 6770/5770 fiasco.

 

[tincart]

This is true, believe it or not there are plenty of people out there without our knowledge of video cards, that are being ripped off by this 6770/5770 fiasco.

And what evidence have you used to come to this conclusion?

What constitutes being "ripped off" in this context?

 

[happy medium]

And what evidence have you used to come to this conclusion?

What constitutes being "ripped off" in this context?

Come on tincart, give it a rest. Customers are being decieved/ripped off and its not right.

 

[Phynaz]

Come on tincart, give it a rest. Customers are being decieved/ripped off and its not right.

Proof? Link?

Were customers being ripped off when they bought a 9800GT?

 

[tincart]

Come on tincart, give it a rest. Customers are being decieved/ripped off and its not right.

I'll ask again: What do you mean by "ripped off"? A simple definition that applies to this context will do. You can tell me what the words you are using are supposed to mean, right?

And which particular customers?

 

[Spikesoldier]

Proof? Link?

Were customers being ripped off when they bought a 9800GT?

i knew a few people at work who "upgraded" their 8800GT's to 9800GT from best buy and said they got so many more framez in battlefield lol

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Can they mail me a sticker for the 5770 in my lanbox?

DAMN, does this mean I have to go and edit my post in the "What cards have you owned" thread?

People are approaching this from the wrong perspective. Happy thinks its tit-for-tat for Nvidia's own rebranding, but I'm approaching this from the "Holy crap AMD just gave every 5770 owner a brand new 6-series card" angle. Its all in how you look at it.

 

[happy medium]

Proof? Link?

Post #1 for starters.
Why are you trying to defend this type of shoddy business?:thumbsdown:

I have to commend Ryan for writing the article about this also, how many other websites have come out and addresed this openly?
It shows that the Anandtech staff also thinks this is wrong and wants video card customers and the readers to know.:thumbsup:

 

[tincart]

Post #1 for starters.

That is your post. Did you buy a 6770?

It shows that the Anandtech staff also thinks this is wrong and wants video card customers and there readers to know.:thumbsup:

Their biggest concern is pricing and that particular issue has yet to be settled.

 

[happy medium]

Their biggest concern is pricing and that particular issue has yet to be settled.

Well a quick check on newegg or my first post seems to differ.
I said this earlier in this thread, if the price was 100 bucks or so ,I would not have a problem with this card but to charge 20$, 30$ or in some cases 40$AR is not right.

I have allready owned a 5750 overclocked to 5700 speeds why would I side grade to a 6770? I have a much faster card now anyway.

edit: Say I still had a 5750 and was not knowledgable about video cards, the suppossed upgrade from a 5750 to a 6770 sounds great but WE all know its not.

 

[OCGuy]

Wow, this is pretty bad. Are people finally going to be convinced that AMD is not some charity company that cares about customers more than shareholders?

People are showing their true colors by not condemning this in the same fashion they did the G92 rebadges.

 

[Zargon]

Well a quick check on newegg or my first post seems to differ.
I said this earlier in this thread, if the price was 100 bucks or so ,I would not have a problem with this card but to charge 20$, 30$ or in some cases 40$AR is not right.

I have allready owned a 5750 overclocked to 5700 speeds why would I side grade to a 6770? I have a much faster card now anyway.

edit: Say I still had a 5750 and was not knowledgable about video cards, the suppossed upgrade from a 5750 to a 6770 sounds great but WE all know its not.

perhaps you want some of the 6 series features added to the 5 series card 'rebadge', like steroscopic 3d, hdmi 1.4, drive 5 monitors

but I would hate for you to actually address that, and like I posted, according to sapphire it has all that

I would think 20-30 bucks to be able to do 5 displays instead of 3 is a good deal. considering until the 6 series that was a feature for 500 dollar cards only.

 

[Keysplayr]

I don't understand the motivation for this. As CU has stated above, "protesting" is different from arguing with reasons, which is what he is doing. Not all protests are arguments, and not all arguments are protests.

Further, why do you consistently come to the defense of the OP? It would make sense to me if you were offering rebuttals to the arguments against the OP, but you are not. You are the one protesting the fact that consistent arguments are being made against the OP.

Finally, why should CU having problems with the thread result in him reporting it? If he thinks there are factual errors or mistaken claims being made, isn't the appropriate action to present reasonable counter-arguments? This is, after all, a forum on the internet. Are you suggesting that when we disagree with the claims being made in a post, we should just report it instead of posting?

Ah, I'm just having trouble distinguishing whether CUlincoln is having a problem with the data, or the way it's being presented? Or is one bleeding over into the other. Because frankly, if the data is accurate, then CUlincoln should not care less about how "sensationalistic" the data is presented. Do you agree or not?

 

[gdansk]

Wow, this is pretty bad. Are people finally going to be convinced that AMD is not some charity company that cares about customers more than shareholders?

People are showing their true colors by not condemning this in the same fashion they did the G92 rebadges.

I find this behavior to take advantage of uninformed consumers quite bad. However, until they do this for multiple "generations", I'll contain my angst.

Any AMD stockholder would approve this, slap on a new sticker and the product is worth more. Why shouldn't they do this from a cost-benefit point of view? It would be hard to convince them that AMD's image would suffer more harm than good reputation of not re-branding. Additionally, now it is the "AMD Radeon HD" which might be another important factor in their decision to try and keep the name brand consistent across the entire line up. Though I doubt that was their idea since they're charging more... Whatever, companies will be companies.

 

[happy medium]

perhaps you want some of the 6 series features added to the 5 series card 'rebadge', like steroscopic 3d, hdmi 1.4, drive 5 monitors

Do you think this is a hardware upgrade? The 5 series can do the same thing and has 5 outputs to use. The Sapphire 6770 card has 3.

5770 with 5 outputs or use with 5 minitors and does 3d..........

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-358-_-Product

Read Ryans article, hdmi 1.4 is not a hardware upgrade with the 6770.
Sorry for the wall of text............


quote:
However to be fair to AMD, they have at least made some effort to improve on the 6700 series over the 5700 series through the BIOS. As you may recall, one of the big differences for the 6000 series over the 5000 series is that the 6000 series got HDMI 1.4a support, along with a UVD3 video decoder that was capable of decoding the additional resolutions and bitrates Blu-Ray 3D’s MVC(H.264) profiles require. These changes have been backported to Juniper to some extent.

UVD2.2 is fast enough to process MVC, so now the 6700 series can decode Blu-Ray 3D. Without any hardware on hand we can’t specifically test this, but we suspect AMD may have introduced a new PowerPlay state (or edited an existing one) to further ramp up Juniper’s core clocks when playing MVC content, as this would be the most practical way to increase the max bitrate UVD2.2 can handle, if indeed it couldn’t handle MVC bitrates at the usual core clocks. Update: AMD has confirmed our theory. In fact the UVD3 also have a Blu-Ray 3D PowerPlay state, which means UVD2 and UVD3 may be more similiar than we once thought.

Meanwhile HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.4a both have the same bandwidth requirements, so now the 6700 series is HDMI 1.4a capable through some BIOS magic – although we haven’t been able to get confirmation that this support extends beyond support for the frame-packed formats required for HDMI 3D, or in other words it may not support 2K x 4K resolutions and other features normally associated with HDMI 1.4a. Update: AMD confirmed that the 6700 series only supports the HDMI 3D portions of the HDMI 1.4a spec. Apparently this is consistent with Northern Islands, whcih doesn't support 2K x 4K resolutions over HDMI either.

 

[badb0y]

AMD I am disappoint so so so disappoint.

 

[tincart]

Ah, I'm just having trouble distinguishing whether CUlincoln is having a problem with the data, or the way it's being presented? Or is one bleeding over into the other. Because frankly, if the data is accurate, then CUlincoln should not care less about how "sensationalistic" the data is presented. Do you agree or not?

Given that he already answered this question, I believe the answer should be fairly clear.

 

[tincart]

Well a quick check on newegg or my first post seems to differ.
I said this earlier in this thread, if the price was 100 bucks or so ,I would not have a problem with this card but to charge 20$, 30$ or in some cases 40$AR is not right

As has already been pointed out, the two new 6770's stand in the middle of the overall field of 5770 prices. What will determine whether or not vendors are trying to mislead consumers is when a full range of 6770's is out and the average price is higher than the field of 5770's.

I have allready owned a 5750 overclocked to 5700 speeds why would I side grade to a 6770? I have a much faster card now anyway.

Sometimes I think you are being dense on purpose. I'll operate on the principle of charity and try to make myself more clear:

1. You claimed that people have been harmed by the re-badge
2. When asked who was harmed, you mentioned post #1 - your post.
3. This suggests that you are the one who has been harmed by the re-badge
4. I am asking: what, short of you having bought a 6770, would lead you to think that you have been personally harmed.

edit: Say I still had a 5750 and was not knowledgable about video cards, the suppossed upgrade from a 5750 to a 6770 sounds great but WE all know its not.

I have already dealt with this. You would be a non-prudential consumer who didn't do any research before making your purchase and I wouldn't care less about what you got. If you are suggesting that you would go out and buy a video card based entirely on its model number, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[Bearach]

Well a quick check on newegg or my first post seems to differ.
I said this earlier in this thread, if the price was 100 bucks or so ,I would not have a problem with this card but to charge 20$, 30$ or in some cases 40$AR is not right.

I have allready owned a 5750 overclocked to 5700 speeds why would I side grade to a 6770? I have a much faster card now anyway.

edit: Say I still had a 5750 and was not knowledgable about video cards, the suppossed upgrade from a 5750 to a 6770 sounds great but WE all know its not.

Excluding the one model that is capable of Eyefinity 5 monitors on Newegg, the prices range from $109.99 - $159.99 for the 5770, and they're is only 2 6770's on there, and they sit right in the middle $119.99 - $124.99.

How are they "expensive" as you put? How do you know that it's not Newegg setting the price a little higher?

 

[Bearach]

As has already been pointed out, the two new 6770's stand in the middle of the overall field of 5770 prices. What will determine whether or not vendors are trying to mislead consumers is when a full range of 6770's is out and the average price is higher than the field of 5770's.



Sometimes I think you are being dense on purpose. I'll operate on the principle of charity and try to make myself more clear:

1. You claimed that people have been harmed by the re-badge
2. When asked who was harmed, you mentioned post #1 - your post.
3. This suggests that you are the one who has been harmed by the re-badge
4. I am asking: what, short of you having bought a 6770, would lead you to think that you have been personally harmed.



I have already dealt with this. You would be a non-prudential consumer who didn't do any research before making your purchase and I wouldn't care less about what you got. If you are suggesting that you would go out and buy a video card based entirely on its model number, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Totally agree with this post.

 

[Zargon]

Do you think this is a hardware upgrade? The 5 series can do the same thing and has 5 outputs to use. The Sapphire 6770 card has 3.

5770 with 5 outputs or use with 5 minitors and does 3d..........

you arent understanding. I know you are a green team fanboy who is utterly way behind when it comes to single card multidisplay, so I will say it plainly

the # of outputs doesnt matter.

5 series cars can drive THREE MONITORS. unless it says eyefinity5/6 on it. period.

to do 5 screens with the basic 6770 you need a displayport hub, and it will drive 5 screens.


I have dual 5870's, and I am limited to 3 displays, even with 8 outputs between the two of them.

if sapphire isnt lying, with a dp hub you can do 5 screens.


they have added features, via either fw/bios or a new chip somewhere, on top of the existing 5770 architecture to make it do this.

just so you dont continue to be confused, unless the card says eyefinity5(thanks to another poster, forget they started making those towayds the end of 5 series) or eyefinity6, it does 3 displays, period. no matter the outputs.

 

[happy medium]

Who, what, how, derail, bait, spin, up, down, left, right, no matter how you see it, the fact is this rebage from a 5770 to a more expensive 6770 is FAIL.

Why defend it?

 

[brybir]

Excluding the one model that is capable of Eyefinity 5 monitors on Newegg, the prices range from $109.99 - $159.99 for the 5770, and they're is only 2 6770's on there, and they sit right in the middle $119.99 - $124.99.

How are they "expensive" as you put? How do you know that it's not Newegg setting the price a little higher?

I agree. I just looked at Newegg and the 6770's are right in the middle of the range of the 5770's. I fail to see the problem.

I feel like the OP is arguing that because the 6770's debut at a price higher than the cheapest 5770 they must be trying to dupe customers...

 

[tincart]

Who, what, how, derail, bait, spin, up, down, left, right, no matter how you see it, the fact is this rebage from a 5770 to a more expensive 6770 is FAIL.

Why defend it?

We are not defending the re-badge. Pretty much everyone has said it is a bad thing. What we are questioning is your misleading statements, false statements, and patently absurd arguments such as your almost dogmatic clinging to a non-issue in terms of pricing.

If you really care about consumers. Go find a Best Buy which has both the 5770 and 6770 in stock and stand by them to make sure simple-minded consumers don't end up getting duped. I'm sure that there are many people like you that will volunteer their time to cover other retail locations and protect the unwashed video card buying masses from the imperious machinations of AMD's money-making juggernaut of terror.