The 6770's on newegg are nothing more than exspensive 5770's

[Madcatatlas]

This is an ontopic refutal of what OCGuy claims is the case. I hate to let these things just repeat and repeat themselves. Its nothing personal, just the opinions im contesting.


Ive fine"combed" this topic, not a SINGLE person says he likes the rebadge in anyway YOU claim.

Sirpauly
Nemesis2k
Seero

are the 3 posters who have no obvious "i dont like this" in their posts. Are these the posters you claim:

are showing their true colors by not condemning this in the same fashion they did the G92 rebadges.

??

Are we going to conjure up the stuff we base our opinions/comments on now? its a pretty technical forum this.

It is funny to watch the same people who would shake their finger at nV for rebadging try and justify it for AMD.

Since when were GPUs like political parties, where you blindly defend or attack based on party lines alone?

Between this and XFX, AMD has been getting some bad press lately.

Good luck with that. Trying to make this topic go away by getting it locked won't work.

The only one blindly attacking someone is you my friend. Why dont you start by showing us someone who likes this rebadge from AMD in this topic? Aside from the 3 posters ive already mentioned, who approves of this?

Grooveriding says: its a rebadge and it sucks. So what are you not seeing when you say:

A few posts up somebody tried to justify it by saying it is a good selling card. That is defending the re-badging.

?

 

[happy medium]

Considering you have half, if not more, of the current thread participants arguing against you,

I think this is sad.

The ability to "stop this from happening again" is certainly not within your power.

I said "try to stop". Every little bit helps my friend.

Would you say you are a supporter of what I'm trying to accomplish or are you saying this kind of business practice is ok with you?



Again this is what I am trying to accomplish with this thread.

First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again.

 

[Phynaz]

I would hope this thread accomplishes a few things.

First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again.

Is anyone against what I'm trying to accomplish? If so please tell my why.

If this what you want to accomplish then you need to change your tactics - which should have been apparent much earlier to you.

For example, calling the card "crap". You are just about the only person that calls this card crap, and you have in done it in the past also.

Or saying people are getting ripped off if they buy a HD6770. You still have failed to provide proof the HD6770 is a ripoff. As a matter of fact, it is a really good value for decent card in its price range, and Nvidia doesn't have a competing part.

Let me ask you this, it the GTX550 a ripoff? Why not?

 

[Bearach]

Considering you have half, if not more, of the current thread participants arguing against you, I'd say you are facing abject failure. Particularly, because your wording betrays your ambitions.

Why do you only want to rally AMD and nVidia fans? I'm not a fan of any company, nor am I a fan of any video card. Do you really think that most, or even many people, are "fans" of video card companies? This is called projection.

What will stop this from happening again is negative press attention from websites like AT. I think their response, as well as the response on other sites, was strongly worded and will reach far, far more people than your thread in this forum. The ability to "stop this from happening again" is certainly not within your power.

Also agree with this, very mature and reasonable thinking.

 

[Phynaz]

Considering you have half, if not more, of the current thread participants arguing against you, I'd say you are facing abject failure. Particularly, because your wording betrays your ambitions.

Why do you only want to rally AMD and nVidia fans? I'm not a fan of any company, nor am I a fan of any video card. Do you really think that most, or even many people, are "fans" of video card companies? This is called projection.

What will stop this from happening again is negative press attention from websites like AT. I think their response, as well as the response on other sites, was strongly worded and will reach far, far more people than your thread in this forum. The ability to "stop this from happening again" is certainly not within your power.

Bravo

 

[Firestorm007]

I would hope this thread accomplishes a few things.

First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again.

Is anyone against what I'm trying to accomplish? If so please tell my why.

Happy-

I don't disagree with your assertion about the rebadge. It stupid. Plain and simple. It's the look at AMD, they did it too, and the in your face feelling, I get by reading this topic. That I don't agree with.

 

[happy medium]

Is anyone against what I'm trying to accomplish? If so please tell my why.

I'm still waiting for your answer.


Again just in case you missed them....


First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again.

 

[happy medium]

Happy-

I don't disagree with your assertion about the rebadge. It stupid. Plain and simple. It's the look at AMD, they did it too, and the in your face feelling, I get by reading this topic. That I don't agree with.

Glad to have you aboard and If I came off a little over the top,I apologize, its noted and thanks.

Firestorm007, its better to be part of the solution then part of the problem. I commend you.:thumbsup:

 

[Madcatatlas]

I'm still waiting for your answer.


Again just in case you missed them....


First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again.

Im pretty sure you need to edit this post again, since what you quote Phynaz saying, is infact your own words...

I advice against more coffee at this late hour though happy

 

[Phynaz]

You first happy, there are many questions I've asked you to answer that you haven't.

I know the answers are difficult, but you should be freshly rested up, give them a try.

 

[Phynaz]

Im pretty sure you need to edit this post again, since what you quote Phynaz saying, is infact your own words...

I advice against more coffee at this late hour though happy

He quoted himself, and then argued with himself by repeating himself again - lol!

 

[tincart]

Would you say you are a supporter of what I'm trying to accomplish or are you saying this kind of business practice is ok with you?

The message, not the manner.

Considering your modus operandi is consistently to make things up, sensationalize and ignore criticism, I will never support what you are trying to accomplish because, whatever the cause may be, you do not approach it in a principled way.

My general take on re-badging a video card from any vendor is this:

1) From the point of view of the business, the practice can occasionally make sense. If a company that intends to do a re-badge is at all smart, they will likely be aware that the most informed sub-set of their customers (e.g. us) will know about the re-badge and will not approve. They will also be aware that some negative press will likely result (e.g. the statement on various tech websites which are roundly negative). They will take this into consideration and weigh it against the potential benefits to their business and if they think the loss of good-will can be balanced in other ways, then they will go ahead and re-badge.

2) From my point of view, as a person, I don't care. Even if a re-badge is an obvious attempt to dupe consumers, I'm not going to be one of them and so I will not see any personal harm so long as I remain informed.

3) One might argue that re-badging is evidence of apostasy - a company neglecting their principles when it comes to dealing fairly with their consumers. While I respect that line of argument, I do not personally believe that profit-driven corporations have strong principles with regards to my rights as a consumer. If they do, those principles are likely contingent upon profit motives, in which case we are back to #1 and there's little I can do about it.

4) I could be persuaded that some form of altruism is justified in terms of defending those who know less in the cases where I am informed. Perhaps this is because there is some reciprocal effect - I am looking out for people in some areas while other people are looking out for me in areas where I am ignorant. This argument obviously descends into egoistic prudential considerations, but I'm convinced that this is often true of other putatively altruistic motives.

But pause for a moment: I could be persuaded of #4. At the moment, I am not.

 

[Awkward]

I'm pretty sure this rebadge will hardly even effect the less tech savvy market, as they're usually being ripped off by Apple or Dell, for example. You should take your holy war to a cause more worthy of your moral crusade.

I don't like rebadgess, but the average price of the 6770 isn't even in a different price point than the 5770 -- and I highly doubt anyone who owns a 5770 is stupid enough to believe they're getting a noticeable upgrade of a year old card still on the market, over another card that's maybe ~10 dollars more expensive.

If someone is stupid enough to do that, they deserve to lose their money.

 

[Firestorm007]

Glad to have you aboard and If I came off a little over the top,I apologize, its noted and thanks.

Cool. I knew I liked you for a reason. But, you're right. Rebadging is lame. I wonder what would happen if youre brand spanking new 2011 Plasma was exactly the same as lasts years model. The only difference being the box it was shipped in. People would be PO'd. I know I would.

When something gets a new designation #, it should mean something internally has changed and improved. This rebranding bull is for the birds and less tech savvy folk wouldn't know the difference. So, for that, I'm definitely on board.

 

[happy medium]

I would hope this thread accomplishes a few things.

First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again.

Is anyone against what I'm trying to accomplish? If so please tell my why.

So far we have 3 guys who choose to "lay down there spin guns " and join the effort.:thumbsup:

 

[Skurge]

I'm still waiting for your answer.


Again just in case you missed them....


First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again.

Is the 6770 a rip of cause 2 cards are cheaper than it is?

 

[OCGuy]

If someone is stupid enough to do that, they deserve to lose their money.

Actually I agree with this. I think anyone making a tech purchase should be smart enough to research it before purchasing it.

My response in this thread is more to point out how silly people are with defending a company that couldn't care less about them, as if they are different than any other company.

This is how I felt about the G92 re-badges. I was never a fan of them, but I knew it would never hurt me, because I research before I purchase.

 

[happy medium]

Actually I agree with this. I think anyone making a tech purchase should be smart enough to research it before purchasing it.

My response in this thread is more to point out how silly people are with defending a company that couldn't care less about them, as if they are different than any other company.

This is how I felt about the G92 re-badges. I was never a fan of them, but I knew it would never hurt me, because I research before I purchase.

I agree with this but there are still tens of thousands of less tech savy buyers out ther that will buy a 2gb 4670 over a 1gb 4670 or a 6850 over a 5870.

About post #190 OCguy, are you for what I'm trying to accomplish?
Just askin.

 

[tincart]

I agree with this but there are still tens of thousands of less tech savy buyers out ther that will buy a 2gb 4670 over a 1gb 4670 or a 6850 over a 5870.

You say there are tens of thousands.

I say there are exactly 227, along with a Dachshund that knows how to use a credit card, so let's count the dog as 0.5, round up and call it 228.

 

[OCGuy]

I agree with this but there are still tens of thousands of less tech savy buyers out ther that will buy a 2gb 4670 over a 1gb 4670 or a 6850 over a 5870.

Oh believe me, I think AMD has been more shady with naming schemes recently.

Between this, the 5870 v 6870 debacle, and trying to confuse customers by naming their CPUs the 920 and 940 after i7 was already out....

But nV does the same thing on the low end.

I guess I am just fascinated by the emotional attachments people get to corporations. I used to think brand loyalty was just BS marketing speak, but after seeing all of the Apple v Android, AMD v nV, and Xbox v PS3 wars, I believe in it 100%.

The best thing to do is what Anandtech did: Get the information out there, and let people digest it.

 

[happy medium]

You say there are tens of thousands.

I say there are exactly 227, along with a Dachshund that knows how to use a credit card, so let's count the dog as 0.5, round up and call it 228.

Even if there were only a hundered, I would be happy to help at least one.

That is just the kind of character I have in me.:thumbsup:

How about you?

 

[Bearach]

So far we have 3 guys who choose to "lay down there spin guns " and join the effort.:thumbsup:

Spin guns...?

 

[Phynaz]

Even if there were only a hundered, I would be happy to help at least one.

That is just the kind of character I have in me.:thumbsup:

How about you?

What if said no?

Because you still haven't answered why the HD6770 would be a bad purchase. It's top in its class.

 

[happy medium]

Cool. I knew I liked you for a reason. But, you're right. Rebadging is lame. I wonder what would happen if youre brand spanking new 2011 Plasma was exactly the same as lasts years model. The only difference being the box it was shipped in. People would be PO'd. I know I would.

When something gets a new designation #, it should mean something internally has changed and improved. This rebranding bull is for the birds and less tech savvy folk wouldn't know the difference. So, for that, I'm definitely on board.

Thanks, and you just invited to Happy mediums "elite" friends list.:thumbsup:

 

[happy medium]

Spin guns...?

Dont take it personal it was a joke my friend. :thumbsup:

Sorry for the off topic..