Of course the 5770 will be cheaper.
They need to clear the channels of the 5770 since it is going extinct and that equate to cheaper prices.
For the informed costumer it is a good time to pick up that 5770.[/QUOTE]
I think its a bad time,I watch prices on Newegg fairly close and the price seems to be climbing.
Only 1 card with a rebate now too.:thumbsdown:
I think its a bad time,I watch prices on Newegg fairly close and the price seems to be climbing.
Only 1 card with a rebate now too.:thumbsdown:
The lowest priced 5770s on Newegg had a price drop around April 12th, the Sapphire and PowerColor. It is cheaper now than it was a month ago.
No they had rebates for 90$ and 85$.
Plus at least a half a dozen other 5770's had rebates and lower prices.
Believe me I recommended quite a few of them to our readers.:thumbsup:.
There are only 2 models under 135$ now, thats ridiculous.
I don't remember many going under $100 (thats why it was poor value compared to the 460 768mb) and I don't remember any for $85. 5770s have always been around $120 for months.
This must blow your mind:
Biostar HD 5770 - $130, no Displayport, no CF bridge, not a single adapter, "no HDMI 1.4"
VisionTek HD 5770 - $130, one DVI, no CF bridge, "no HDMI 1.4"
Asus HD 5770 - $140, $20 rebate, no DisplayPort, "no HDMI 1.4"
Wow, these cards are more expensive than the 6770 and offer less features. In fact if you compare the cheapest same-featured 5770, this Powercolor 5770, to the Powercolor 6770, they pretty much share the same features with a minor price difference. But look at the 5770 page, NEWEGG has dropped the 5770 from $120 to $110. Seriously: "Was: $119.99 Now: $109.99 Save: $10.00" And are we really making a big deal about $10, especially when that price is set by NEWEGG themselves? The price range for any modeled card is way higher than $10. So is this newly released card is really any more expensive? Not on the average.
And notice how I said newly. That is very important to the context at hand here. In two weeks, maybe a bit longer, you'll probably see 6770s with rebates or on sale. But the fact is they are launching at the same MSRP as current 5770s. It is extremely rare, if it has ever happened, for a card to launch with rebates. Using rebates as a consideration for the final price of a 5770 to be compared with the 6770 is pretty much ignoring a big chunk of facts. In doing so we might as well start saying, "The 5750 ICEQ is nothing more than an expensive rebadge of the Vapor-X 5750. It only has three outputses and comes at slower clocks so it's slower but it's mroe exsssspensive."
Now back to the comparison at hand. I've listed all of the 5770s from newegg with no DisplayPort, and all but 1 are more expensive than the single current DP-6770 on the market. They may come with a CF bridge or offer other things, but you can't add a Displayport and you can't change the HDMI from 1.3 to 1.4. Then most other 5770s, regardless of what features they have, are more expensive up front, with some end up cheaper or the same price after rebate. Oh and all of those rebates are currently set to end on 4/30/2011.
So why is it we should only compare the Sapphire models to each other? Purely for cherry picking your argument, as happy is doing? He hasn't given one good reason why we should only look at the Sapphire models and why we should ignore the rest of the market. And the reason why he hasn't give that reason is because there isn't a good reason. Let's see what the market looks like when more manufacturers bring out more SKUs. My bold prediction: They'll be in the same price range as current 5770s.
Skurge, Look over your choices, 5770 eyefinity 5 card, pre- overclocked cards.
Its easy bud, just use the 2 cheapest Sapphire and Powercolor 5770 cards vs the 2 cheapest powercolor/Sapphire 6770 cards.
I'm not gonna Average 15 5770's with 2 6770's just so you think your right.
How about we just use the cheapest vs the cheapest?
I guess that wouldn't work either. 5770's are cheaper.
I used the 2 cheapest 5770's with the 2 cheapest 6770's.
That sounds fair.
They are?
There are 2 regular models of 6770's on newegg, Sapphire and Powercolor . Show me 2 5770 models from the same name brand that are priced equally.
I see the 6770 powercolor model as 14$ more shipped than the equally performing Powercolor 5770 and the Sapphire 6770 model as 10$ more shipped than the equally performing Powercolor 5770 and the 6770 come without a crossfire cable, a 10$ value.
If a half assed hdmi 1.4a spec on the 6770 model is worth 14$ and 20$ more, I guess its worth it.
quote from review.
"Update: AMD confirmed that the 6700 series only supports the HDMI 3D portions of the HDMI 1.4a spec. Apparently this is consistent with Northern Islands, whcih doesn't support 2K x 4K resolutions over HDMI either."
I concieved on the added blueray support on the 6770 and asked the question is it worth 14$ and 20$ more? If it is then buy the 6770,otherwise just buy the cheaper proven 5770, because its the same card.
There must be a reason the 5770's don't have any rebates anymore and there prices are going up on Newegg.
What happend to all the great 90$/100$ deals on the 5770? There gone.
One can only hope that the 6770 gets a nice 25$ price drop back to where most of the 5770's WERE selling for 2 weeks ago.
Well I don't have 40 people in my friends list and over 600 PM's (alot of thanks you's) for nothing.
Is that a personal opinion? and has nothing to do with a 6770.
If it is I would consider that a personal attack/derailment, and would have to report it.
I'm just giving you the benifit of the doubt before I hit the nuke button.
"It's easy bud" LOL, NO it is not any easier. It is only convenient for your argument for you to flat out ignore data points related to the topic of discussion. There are plenty of different branded 5770s which offer the exact same features which you can easily compare to one another, and you can easily compare to the 6770. To see the proper view of the situation, you need to look at the entirety of it. Closing your eyes and sticking your fingers in your ears does not make you right.
So you're trying to be specific in whatever context you are creating, but you aren't being very consistent at all. I also see a Biostar 5770 and several other 5770s which perform the same as the powercolor 5770. Guess what? It's a shocker so sit down for this: They are more expensive, and they don't necessarily come with any more features.
You using a context-specific ("cheapest") scenario is an invalid method to making a broad-sweeping ("5770s are cheaper") claim of the market as a whole.
It has been shown the 6770s are on the bottom end the 5770 price range. On newegg they are the third to sixth cheapest cards (pending how you count rebates) if we were to consider the 6770s and 5770s in the same pool.
The expiration date for the rebates have been known for the entire time the rebates existed, and I've already pointed it out several times in this thread. WHATS YOU'RE EXSCUSE NOW?
All of your arguments are going to get weaker over the next month when more brands of 6770s are released.
The price difference is at most $16.
People too easily follow the loudest voice, whether it's right or wrong.
Yea, most of them people are in my PM box under "Thank you posts".
Mostly they thank me for making them ignore the wall of spin, big words, false opinions, and people who mulity quote to much and slander someone elses rep just to make themselves feel better.
Mostly they thank me for making them ignore the wall of spin, big words, false opinions, and people who mulity quote to much and slander someone elses rep just to make themselves feel better.
I guess naming a topic WARNING!!! and ignoring everyone in the thread proving you wrong has nothing to do with any of the highlighted words. Well I guess not when it comes from you.
Because you don't understand the point, doesn't mean there isn't one. It's really not that hard to see. I don't understand how you can't see it. It's mind-boggling, really.And you opinion about what I'm doing and spin doesn't make me wrong.
Was there a point to this paragraph?
This does not change the fact that the 5770 is cheaper than the 6770 for no good reason, like I have shown over and over
I must have missed the rebate expiration e-mail you recieved, just like you missed my point that 5770 prices have been on the rise in recent weeks.
So now you decide to tell the truth that I was right the whole time.
Yea, most of them people are in my PM box under "Thank you posts".
Mostly they thank me for making them ignore the wall of spin, big words, false opinions, and people who mulity quote to much and slander someone elses rep just to make themselves feel better.
Know anyone like that?
DOn't answer that, I have better things to do.
Good day to you.
So you think warning the members and other readers is wrong?. I dont quite get what you saying.
Otherwise, the prices simply have too many factors to influence comparison.
If OP is going to warn members, please SHOW COMPLETE PICTURE. If you are indicating as detail as lack of crossfire cable in 6770, you should as well indicate the lack of HDMI 1.4a HDMI3D support on the 5770s, with a footnote that people suspect a bios update could provide HDMI 3D support on the 5700, but nobody has tested and confirmed this yet (or have I missed this?).
You are the one spinning and creating FUD when it really isn't needed,
you should as well indicate the lack of HDMI 1.4a HDMI3D support on the 5770s, with a footnote that people suspect a bios update could provide HDMI 3D support on the 5700, but nobody has tested and confirmed this yet (or have I missed this?).
Where do you draw the line for comparison?
If OP is going to warn members, please SHOW COMPLETE PICTURE. If you are indicating as detail as lack of crossfire cable in 6770, you should as well indicate the lack of HDMI 1.4a HDMI3D support on the 5770s, with a footnote that people suspect a bios update could provide HDMI 3D support on the 5700, but nobody has tested and confirmed this yet (or have I missed this?).
Facts..
The 5770 cost less then a equally performing 6770 of the same vendor.
The 6770 costs less than an equally performing, less-features 5770 of a different vendor (Biostar).
The Sapphire 5770 has one extra video output connector compared to the higher price 6770
The Sapphire 5770 has one extra video output connector compared to the higher price Biostar and the same number as the Asus 5770.
Out of the 13 available 5770s on newegg:
The Powercolor 6770 is the third cheapest before rebates, fifth cheapest after rebates.
The Sapphire 6770 is the fourth cheapest before rebates, sixth cheapest after rebates.
The Sapphire 5770 also come with a 10$ crossfire cable compared to a Saphire 6770 that also cost 10$ more.
The Sapphire 6770 has HDMI 1.4a for Blu-ray 3D support.
You can buy a crossfire bridge if you need one for the 6770.
As far as we know you can't add HDMI 1.4a to a 5770.
The Powercolor 6770 with added blueray support costs 14$ more than the equallly performing powercolor 5770.
The Powercolor 6770 costs $10 less than the Biostar 5770, which has the exact same features minus HDMI 1.4a
The Sapphire 6770 costs $5 less than the Biostar 5770 and has two more features - DisplayPort (supports three monitors at the same time) and HDMI 1.4a
There are only two brands and models of the 6770 currently available, since it just came out.
There will be more brands and models released of the 6770
The 5770 will be phased out; board makers will use their Juniper chips to make 6770s instead of 5770s.
Manufacturers will start having rebates and reduce prices once the 6770 becomes more saturated.
Common sense?
You take the same brand with the same clocks, specs, and same performance and compare, just like I did.
Give a reasonable explanation as to why there are too many factors. There are not too many factors. All of the factors can be quantified quite as easily as brand can be. Are you going to draw the line at brand? What about model? Brands have more than one model. Where do you draw the line for comparison?
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Actually this has been covered by me and Notty throughout this thread. I know its a little long but its in here.
Normally, the line will be same brand similar product level (don't compare the Vapor-X vs non-Vapor-X model, 5-display vs 3-display models, etc).
Now, we only have 2 brands that sells 6770 (one is already known as a low cost brand -- their 5770 is already lower cost than most other brands). Unless we know what Newegg or the other brands are thinking, it is hard to draw a line for different brands. Maybe Saphhire wants to increase market share, so they just decrease the price of all their 5770/6770? Who knows?
If, say MSI or Asus were to release a 6770, will they price it lower than 5770 (not likely, but Bestbuy XFX 6770 is lower price than the XFX 5770!???), same price, higher price, or same price at their 5770 was then drop the price of the 5770?
One think we definitely do not know is, whether AMD is charging card manufacturers more for 6770 or not. If not, it is hard to put the blame on AMD. But then, it is also AMD who put card manufacturers on this situation.