The 6770's on newegg are nothing more than exspensive 5770's

[happy medium]

for OEM customers

Yea we all knew it was for OEM customers. Thats a whole different ball game.
The link in that post does not work for me. it won' open.

In this post.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31631103&postcount=94

 

[Bearach]

Yea we all knew it was for OEM customers. Thats a whole different ball game.
The link in that post does not work for me. it won' open.

In this post.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31631103&postcount=94

Okay, here is the US link, and it still says on their product page 6770 = 5770.

Why cut what I posted? What I was replying to was whether it was being hidden. Whether AMD actually state that a 6770 = 5770, which they do.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...d-6770/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6770-overview.aspx

 

[happy medium]

Okay, here is the US link, and it still says on their product page 6770 = 5770.

Why cut what I posted? What I was replying to was whether it was being hidden. Whether AMD actually state that a 6770 = 5770, which they do.

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...d-6770/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6770-overview.aspx

That was for OEm customers, I nerver heard them actually announce the for retail shops.

We all knew the OEM's were gettint the rebage, others were saying the retail version was mabe going to clocked higher and such.

Well in any event a rabage is a rebage and its still not right to do under any circumstance. Whats wrong for Nvidia (in the past) is wrong for AMD now.

 

[happy medium]

Further,

Why is there like 10 or so guys in this thread who say "its wrong" BUT....this, that, and the other.....


Its plain wrong and deciets the customer.Period!

 

[Outrage]

so there first bullet point on that page is that it's a rebadge, cant be more open about it than that.

And dont forget that they renamed it from ATI to AMD those sneaky bastards.

 

[Bearach]

Further,

Why is there like 10 or so guys in this thread who say "its wrong" BUT....this, that, and the other.....


Its plain wrong and deciets the customer.Period!

It is wrong, everyone has said that. But you're trying to make more of an issue than there is. Yes people were upset with nVIDIA, now they're disappointed with AMD but to stretch the truth... To try and find a way to sensationalise it further, while having proof it's not the case at all, that's what people are not happy with.

Everyone is just debunking what you're saying, that's all. If nVIDIA said their rebadge was the same hardware, people would have been less outraged. If they weren't higher price (which they were here) then people wouldn't have been so upset, from what I can see there is little to back up the statement that the 6770's are more expensive.

Did you read the link I posted? Did it not say they were the same hardware? Why argue? Try and say it's anything more than constructive talk, and proof that disproves what you felt could be true?

 

[happy medium]

It is wrong, everyone has said that. But

You did it again by the way.^^^^^^^

300 post and 7000 views about "debunking" me?
I'm flattered. And since when do you speak for everybody?
Are all you guys in the same office or something>?

 

[Bearach]

You did it again.

Sorry, not going to continue talking with you. You seem to ignore facts.

You asked a question, I answered why. If I keep answering you, we'll be going in circles.

 

[happy medium]

Sorry, not going to continue talking with you. You seem to ignore facts.

You asked a question, I answered why. If I keep answering you, we'll be going in circles.

Just let it go then, why is it so important?

I have my views and I will not change them just because a few people want me too.
Stick around a little, thats just the way I am, unless I know I'm wrong, and I will quickly admit it.

I have stated over and over the purpose of this thread but a chosen few seem to want to nitpick and say thats its ok for AMD to do this because.............this , that, or the other.

I'll state it again just in case you missed it.

Quote:

"I would hope this thread accomplishes a few things.

First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again"

 

[Outrage]

Amd is open about what they are doing. You should probably wait for the next nvidia rebadge before you go on a crusade.

 

[tincart]

It's "I'll state it again in case you missed it" time? Oh, goody! I love this part of the discussion.

Remember when I said:

"Support for a position is often contingent upon the manner in which the main figure advocating that position behaves. I support the idea of "freedom for the oppressed" but I would not support someone who thought "let's get freedom for the oppressed by punching nuns in the face" (assuming for the moment that punching nuns in the face was even remotely effective at ending oppression).

To put that in the form of a weather-worn axiom: The end does not justify the means.

Everything that you are trying to "accomplish" has already been accomplished by the various mainline tech sites posting news stories about this on their front pages."

Yeah. That was great. I think I'm having a moment.

And let's not ignore:

Why is there like 10 or so guys in this thread who say "its wrong" BUT....this, that, and the other.....

Its plain wrong and deciets the customer.Period!

Look up the difference between "abstract thinking" and "concrete thinking" and you will understand why people are failing to understand and accept your "points".

 

[Outrage]

It's "I'll state it again in case you missed it" time? Oh, goody! I love this part of the discussion.

Remember when I said:

"Support for a position is often contingent upon the manner in which the main figure advocating that position behaves. I support the idea of "freedom for the oppressed" but I would not support someone who thought "let's get freedom for the oppressed by punching nuns in the face" (assuming for the moment that punching nuns in the face was even remotely effective at ending oppression).

To put that in the form of a weather-worn axiom: The end does not justify the means.

Everything that you are trying to "accomplish" has already been accomplished by the various mainline tech sites posting news stories about this on their front pages."

Yeah. That was great. I think I'm having a moment.

And let's not ignore:

Why is there like 10 or so guys in this thread who say "its wrong" BUT....this, that, and the other.....

Its plain wrong and deciets the customer.Period!

Look up the difference between "abstract thinking" and "concrete thinking" and you will understand why people are failing to understand and accept your "points".

:thumbsup:

 

[happy medium]

Remember when I said:

Bla bla bla bla and more bla.

No matter how I said it, where I said and how loud I said it, IT IS STILL WRONG! Just as many posters have said it was.

 

[Idontcare]

Folks it looks to me like this thread has devolved into a select handful of members who are now just beating their heads against each other's proverbial walls.

No one is about to change their mind based on anything the other poster is going to post at this point.

Can we give it a rest before the thread gets locked? I have no desire to lock the thread, but the conversation here is hardly respectful or civil at this stage.

Idontcare
Super Mod

 

[Skurge]

Bla bla bla bla and more bla.

No matter how I said it, where I said and how loud I said it, IT IS STILL WRONG! Just as many posters have said it was.

Are you doing this on purpose? You must be. People have a problem with you making stuff up, spreading misinformation, being obtuse, ignoring facts. Show me a single person who thinks this is a good thing. Just one.

What are doing is much MUCH worse than any AMD or nvidia rebrand.

Also, no one cares about changing your views, people DO care when you start making stuff up like you have been. How is that helping anybody? Im still waiting for you to explain to me why the 6770 is a turd and the 5770 isn't when you say they are the same card?

I also don't believe this nonsense about helping less informed buyers. If you really cared, you would start a new thread about how the 465 is a turd cause its more expensive and slower than the 460. Then another one about the 460SE and the 460 768mb. I still don't see those threads. C'mon happy, im waiting. Someone needs to save the average joe.

 

[dakU7]

Quote:

"I would hope this thread accomplishes a few things.

First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again"

Why are you repeating this c**p more than 10 times? Are you so proud of what you wrote or what? Sounds like you wrote that paragraph and your wall too.
Instead of repeating the same thing over and over, take the time and try to understand why everyone is against you. Stop ignoring everyone.
Nobody is expecting you to change your views, but if your going to open a thread about a subject, and make a huge spin while you do it, the least you can do is cooperate.

P.S. I find it funny you ignored the fact that the 6750 is the cheapest card on newegg.

 

[Mistwalker]

I'll state it again just in case you missed it.

Quote:

"I would hope this thread accomplishes a few things.

First and formost, to warn potential less tech savy video card upgraders of this shady business practice.

Second, to have AMD and Nvidia fans rally together and show both Nvidia and AMD that this practice does not make its faithfulll customers happy.

Third, to try to stop this from happening again"

This is the eighth time you have pasted this message in this thread. You are basically spamming your own topic, despite several attempts to respond to this and your other statements. This is a discussion forum, not a soap box.

Happy, rebadging is not a consumer-friendly practice, now or ever. The problem is you ignore any and all context surrounding anything you dislike, and so every cause you champion is actually hurt by your being its spokesperson. If you are incapable of understanding the idea of context there can be no discourse, and no meaningful informative exchanges, which is what I presume these boards are about.

What context am I talking about? That any potential harm from such unfriendly business practices can be mitigated by the company openly admitting/explaining it as purely a marketing move, by allowing Crossfire with its older-named parts (rather than imposing artificial limitations forcing people to buy the rebadge cards), by updating the hardware itself, and by not charging more for the same parts, as examples.

I think one point we're all in agreement on is that a rebadge is made significantly more sour when it also comes with a higher price tag. My suggestion is that we should revisit this once more cards actually reach market as it is too soon to tell if this will be the case here. If so, double-shame on AMD.

P.S. It's "expensive" if you care enough to update the spelling in the thread title. Apologies for the nitpick.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I dont understand what the fuss is about. A quick glance at newegg show that the HD6770s aren't expensive than the HD5770s. No one is getting ripped off, in terms of performance. There would be a case if these cards were $50+ more expensive but they are not.

Rebadges are in no shape or form a positive thing to the consumer, but given the current economic context along with the video card landscape, AMD did the right thing for their business. The GTX550 Ti doesn't warrant AMD to release something faster at that price point. So until nVIDIA starts to step up on all fronts (and put some effort into the low-mid end again), the rebadging will continue.

 

[happy medium]

Are you doing this on purpose? You must be. People have a problem with you making stuff up, spreading misinformation

I did? Where?

 

[happy medium]

Happy, rebadging is not a consumer-friendly practice, now or ever

I agree.
Why is that so hard for the rest of you guys?
/ thread.

I requested the thread now be locked.

 

[Rifter]

I also don't believe this nonsense about helping less informed buyers. If you really cared, you would start a new thread about how the 465 is a turd cause its more expensive and slower than the 460. Then another one about the 460SE and the 460 768mb. I still don't see those threads. C'mon happy, im waiting. Someone needs to save the average joe.

This has already been covered no need for a new thread(s), the performance and differences in the 460SE and 465 are well documented already.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2126953

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2105340


IMO your attacking happy is just as bad as what you are accusing him of doing and not helping this thread stay on topic

 

[Idontcare]

Locking thread per OP request.

Idontcare
Super Mod