The 72 Virgin Myth

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Punter

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So Bin Laden gets to the afterlife and has his mojo on expecting some major babe-lovin. Suddenly George Washington shows up and starts kickin his head in. Then Thomas Jefferson and 70 other Americans show up and they all start beating him. "What is this?" asks a bloodied Bin Laden. "It's 72 Virginians you asshole!" says Washington.
 

DukeN

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LOL don't know where I saw it but who said anything about the virgins being female.

Talk about justice.
 

joesmoke

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So Bin Laden gets to the afterlife and has his mojo on expecting some major babe-lovin. Suddenly George Washington shows up and starts kickin his head in. Then Thomas Jefferson and 70 other Americans show up and they all start beating him. "What is this?" asks a bloodied Bin Laden. "THIS IS SPARTAAAAA!" says Washington.

fxd

sorry, i know the meme is tired
 

magomago

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magomago, thats one hell of a retort.

I'd say so.....

But clearly it still didn't get through his thick skull as evident by his reply. I didn't even have to come up with my own ammo - I just used every single link and 'quote' he provided. This is what I've learned - give your reply, but don't spend your life arguing because whatever you say generally won't matter.

I pissed away too much of my life arguing day and night on P&N thinking I could change people's perspectives. Thank God I learned to drop that shit like a bad habit
In real life, yeah its easy to talk to people and change things...So I haven't given up there. For some reason you'd think it would be easier online because you have the time to carefully construct your thoughts....not at all; the most polarized people seem to come out.

Anyways, I hope your training (nick1985) is going well for you
 

nick1985

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Anyways, I hope your training (nick1985) is going well for you

Ugh, thanks for bringing it up. I have ankle surgery June 11th to remove a cyst in my bone thats causing extreme pain. I'll be on crutches for 4 weeks, and then a walking boot for 8 more weeks after that. Goodbye summer 2010

 

brownzilla786

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Total gibberish.

The quran explicitly rewards martyrs with with seventy virgins. It says it more than once.

Martyrs also receive slaves in paradise.

You just got owned so hard, its funny to see you limp back and give a pathetic reply that ignored his post. Typical IHV, typical.
 

Zebo

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Damn, Just when I was going to convert. Islam really really sucks then.:thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
 
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You just got owned so hard, its funny to see you limp back and give a pathetic reply that ignored his post. Typical IHV, typical.
Actually, he didn't get owned, not even softly. magomago went on and on about how past translators got it wrong and that "houri" simply means purity, undefiled, etc. Ok. Pure. Undefiled. ...that still makes them virgins whether speaking of a male or female.

On to the next consideration - Whether a Muslim male would be provided male virgins in heaven. What would be the point? Doesn't Islam explicitly prohibit homosexuality?

Sorry but while magomago's plea may be wordy, it really doesn't make sense.

1) He tries to blow off Hadiths as unimportant. Hadiths are very important in both Islamic history and law. They are used to understand the Quran which, like all religious writings, is highly subject to interpretation.

2) He attempts to imply some sort of agreement in the Muslim world as to the equality of men and women. Sure, in the US and Canada muslims have become more tolerant concerning equality. US and Canadian muslim beliefs don't have that large of an impact on Muslims as a whole though. In much of the Muslim world US and Canadian Muslims would be considered radicals.

iow, magomago is proffering a rather apologetic spin that's filled with speculation of what the translation of houri should be according to his own beliefs in Islam, which is influenced by him living in a more liberal society.

That's fine with me too. He's welcome to his opinion. What's far more important is what some radical in the ME believes though. I'm not sure all or even some of them would agree with magomago.
 

brownzilla786

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Actually, he didn't get owned, not even softly. magomago went on and on about how past translators got it wrong and that "houri" simply means purity, undefiled, etc. Ok. Pure. Undefiled. ...that still makes them virgins whether speaking of a male or female.

On to the next consideration - Whether a Muslim male would be provided male virgins in heaven. What would be the point? Doesn't Islam explicitly prohibit homosexuality?

Sorry but while magomago's plea may be wordy, it really doesn't make sense.

1) He tries to blow off Hadiths as unimportant. Hadiths are very important in both Islamic history and law. They are used to understand the Quran which, like all religious writings, is highly subject to interpretation.

2) He attempts to imply some sort of agreement in the Muslim world as to the equality of men and women. Sure, in the US and Canada muslims have become more tolerant concerning equality. US and Canadian muslim beliefs don't have that large of an impact on Muslims as a whole though. In much of the Muslim world US and Canadian Muslims would be considered radicals.

iow, magomago is proffering a rather apologetic spin that's filled with speculation of what the translation of houri should be according to his own beliefs in Islam, which is influenced by him living in a more liberal society.

That's fine with me too. He's welcome to his opinion. What's far more important is what some radical in the ME believes though. I'm not sure all or even some of them would agree with magomago.

As far as Hadiths go, they are just that, Hadiths. IHV is saying that the QURAN is saying those things, which it does not, but he still insists on it. Secondly, Mago is pointing out the weakness of those Hadiths. I am not sure if you know the science behind measuring the strength of a Hadith or not, but generally if a person heard it from a person who heard it from a person, it is not considered very strong, thus reducing the likelihood that it was actually said or transcribed correctly. The one Hadith, by Ahmed and Tirmidhi, is a single chained hadith, meaning it was reported by ONE person.

On the male virgins part, I might have read it wrong but I think he was pointing out that BOTH men and women will have their counterparts in heaven, not just men. So, men will have women and women will have men.

on your second point, about equality. In the ME and other places women are treated like garbage and it is a disgrace, but a lot of it has to do with culture more than religion, but you will find places like Saudi Arabia who creates restrictive laws on the basis of religion that are radical.

I think he is offering a different view rather than an apologetic spin, and he does raise good points. The only argument against his is that the Hadith mentioned by Ahmed and Tirmidhi are considered Sahih (true). There is more discussion that can go on about this point and different books of Hadith but I'll leave it at that.
 
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