The 8 Core CPU: Are they replacing 4 Cores as the standard? (Poll Inside)

[TahoeDust]

This is about recognizing that 4/8 chips are relics of the past and 8/16 is the new standard.

Not according to your own poll. Sorry, but your opinion seems to be in the minority. This does not necessarily make it wrong, just not popular.

 

[PeterScott]

It's really amusing to see people get so riled up by moonbogg. We are already in the era of "common" 8 core CPUs, at least as defined by consumer CPUs with 8 cores being available at mainstream pricing. An example is the Ryzen 7 1700 as a benchmark. $299 every day and $250-260 on sale is within reach of the average PC builder. I spent more than that on my Celeron 300A back in the day, and that's not even counting inflation!

The thread titles says "...replacing 4 Cores as the standard..."

Standard implies the majority, default choice.

I would argue that 4 cores aren't even yet the standard.

2 cores are still the standard.

Though I am looking forward to 4 cores becoming the standard.

 

[moonbogg]

Not according to your own poll. Sorry, but your opinion seems to be in the minority. This does not necessarily make it wrong, just not popular.

The truth is hardly ever popular. The truth receives the most criticism most of the time. We already have affordable 8/16 CPU's but they aren't yet the standard because they lack IPC and clock speed. As soon as that's fixed there will be no going back and 8/16 will be all that's talked about. AMD is going to improve IPC and clocks and Intel is smart enough to not let that surprise them, especially now after the R7's popularity. 8/16 will be the standard from both companies, it will be in the spotlight and its all anyone on the tech forums will talk about or care about. Why? Because it will, and in fact already is, the NEW STANDARD, of course.
People don't see 8/16 as being standard because it was burned into our minds that an 8/16 chip is worth $1000+. That's hilarious. It will soon be revealed just exactly how cheap and standard these chips are and will continue to be.

 

[XavierMace]

I feel like OP doesn't know what the word standard means.

 

[whm1974]

The truth is hardly ever popular. The truth receives the most criticism most of the time. We already have affordable 8/16 CPU's but they aren't yet the standard because they lack IPC and clock speed. As soon as that's fixed there will be no going back and 8/16 will be all that's talked about. AMD is going to improve IPC and clocks and Intel is smart enough to not let that surprise them, especially now after the R7's popularity. 8/16 will be the standard from both companies, it will be in the spotlight and its all anyone on the tech forums will talk about or care about. Why? Because it will, and in fact already is, the NEW STANDARD, of course.
People don't see 8/16 as being standard because it was burned into our minds that an 8/16 chip is worth $1000+. That's hilarious. It will soon be revealed just exactly how cheap and standard these chips are and will continue to be.

The cheapest 8c/16t CPU on the market is ~$300. I doubt most people even folks like us, are to going buy that processor in large numbers. Come to think of it, the majority of desktops out there are still running dual CPUs of some sort and it will be awhile before that changes.

 

[moonbogg]

Why are you guys talking about dual core CPU's? I thought this was an enthusiast forum. What happened to you guys?

 

[Carfax83]

I don't know if 8/16 CPUs will be the new standard, but there is an undeniable trend towards greater levels of parallelism in the industry in both hardware and software. This trend makes buying high core/thread count CPUs more worthwhile than ever. Even modern browsers today, which have become extremely sophisticated over the years, can take advantage of high core/thread count CPUs. Microsoft Edge recently made a big move towards more parallelism with Independent rendering, which selectively offloads some graphics processing to an additional CPU thread to increase performance and responsiveness.

So while I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that 8/16 will be the new standard, it's quite obvious that high core/thread count CPUs can be useful to more than just power users these days.

 

[IEC]

I feel like OP doesn't know what the word standard means.

You can have standards, and high standards. You can have competing standards.

It is the moonbogg™ standard for computing power. Peasants should be satisfied with their circa 2005 computing power.

 

[whm1974]

Why are you guys talking about dual core CPU's? I thought this was an enthusiast forum. What happened to you guys?

Some of us are budget enthusiasts. Being enthusiasts doesn't mean we all have high end hardware.

 

[whm1974]

You can have standards, and high standards. You can have competing standards.

It is the moonbogg™ standard for computing power. Peasants should be satisfied with their circa 2005 computing power.

Say weren't most folks still using single core CPUs back then? I know I was until after the middle of 2006.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So, when is the 8 core CFL going to arrive, if it is even true?

 

[PeterScott]

Why are you guys talking about dual core CPU's? I thought this was an enthusiast forum. What happened to you guys?

Because we are still aware of reality, and your first rambling post went on extensively about the AVERAGE user, and the new Standard.

That implies what the majority are using, not a thin slice of big spending enthusiasts.

The Average/Majority/Standard is most likely still dual core.

Though I have seen moves this year that we are finally on the cusp of transition the majority of new purchases to quad cores (Kaby Lake Refresh moving many laptop parts to 4 cores).

I am enthused for the oncoming 4 core standard.

 

[SPBHM]

now with the i3s and laptops moving to 4 cores it's the time for quad cores

 

[crashtech]

Why are you guys talking about dual core CPU's? I thought this was an enthusiast forum. What happened to you guys?

Maybe if you made it clear that you meant the new standard for enthusiasts, you may have gotten results more aligned to your expectations. But that's not how I read your question.

 

[moonbogg]

So, when is the 8 core CFL going to arrive, if it is even true?

Some time next year, and if it doesn't it will be on the verge of dropping by then. Has to be.

Also, there is some confusion about this new standard. Some people seem to think the standard is dictated by what is needed. That's not the case. People didn't need i7 920's, but they got them. Competition is driving the standard. Like it or not, AMD is coming with faster 8/16 chips and in order to keep up Intel has NO CHOICE but to release a competing 8/16 chip, and one people can afford at that. The configuration will stay 8/16 for a super long time as well, the longtime standard.

Maybe if you made it clear that you meant the new standard for enthusiasts, you may have gotten results more aligned to your expectations. But that's not how I read your question.

I thought I made it obvious. I asked if 8 cores are replacing 4 cores as the new standard. 4 core CPU's were the standard for a long time and they filled a market space, but now 8 cores are the standard and will fill that space, at least that's what I think. It makes perfect sense how I worded it. People started talking about dual cores and smart phones.

 

[MajinCry]

Define standard.

Standard, as in every family and their old relatives will have 8 core computers? Nah.

Standard, as in that 8 cores will be the focus of mainstream programs and games? Yeah, we're well on the way there, with the consoles having eight cores.

 

[TahoeDust]

The truth is hardly ever popular. The truth receives the most criticism most of the time. We already have affordable 8/16 CPU's but they aren't yet the standard because they lack IPC and clock speed. As soon as that's fixed there will be no going back and 8/16 will be all that's talked about. AMD is going to improve IPC and clocks and Intel is smart enough to not let that surprise them, especially now after the R7's popularity. 8/16 will be the standard from both companies, it will be in the spotlight and its all anyone on the tech forums will talk about or care about. Why? Because it will, and in fact already is, the NEW STANDARD, of course.
People don't see 8/16 as being standard because it was burned into our minds that an 8/16 chip is worth $1000+. That's hilarious. It will soon be revealed just exactly how cheap and standard these chips are and will continue to be.

Okay man. You are right. Everyone else is just dumb.

 

[moonbogg]

Okay man. You are right. Everyone else is just dumb.

I never insulted anyone and you know it.

Define standard.

Standard, as in every family and their old relatives will have 8 core computers? Nah.

Standard, as in that 8 cores will be the focus of mainstream programs and games? Yeah, we're well on the way there, with the consoles having eight cores.

EXACTLY! I thought I made it so obvious! Why did you understand so perfectly but others didn't? Geeze.

 

[PeterScott]

Standard, as in that 8 cores will be the focus of mainstream programs and games? Yeah, we're well on the way there, with the consoles having eight cores.

Development doesn't focus on the numbers of cores. You are either developing for multi-core, or you are not.

 

[TahoeDust]

I never insulted anyone and you know it.

You absolutely did not insult anyone. You just explain things to people that they already know, like they are dumb. I think most people know everything that you are saying, they/we just don't agree with your opinion.

 

[richaron]

Yeah I've been around long enough to know intel follows AMD in this sort of thing. They will never break new ground like this on their own, but they will need to when mind share starts to shift.

 

[TahoeDust]

I agree that 8 core will probably become the mainstream enthusiast configuration. But "The standard" replacing quad core?...not anytime soon. Quad cores are in literally everything these days. It will be a while before we see 8 cores like that imho.

 

[Carfax83]

Standard, as in that 8 cores will be the focus of mainstream programs and games? Yeah, we're well on the way there, with the consoles having eight cores.

This basically. Gaming is definitely on the way to embracing 8/16 as a standard. It likely will not fully occur until the next generation of consoles however, which are very likely to have Ryzen based CPUs in them.

In fact, Id Software CTO Robert Duffy says that the next Id Tech engine (IdTech 7) will be far more parallel than Idtech 6 which was used in Doom, and will be capable of consuming a 16 thread Ryzen CPU. Starts at 1:29:

 

[slashy16]

I never insulted anyone and you know it.
EXACTLY! I thought I made it so obvious! Why did you understand so perfectly but others didn't? Geeze.

How many thousands(lol) of Ryzen 8 core CPU's have been sold to date and how many PC's were shipped this year? 60 million? What do you think the average core count is in those PC's and then think to yourself what developers will design their code around. There are more AMD 8350's out there than Ryzen CPU's and in 5 years the people who bought a Pentium or i3 will most likely still be running circles around them.

if I were buying a PC today for basic usage(office/youtue) like most the people in the world I would take a 4core intel CPU over an 8core ryzen every time. Great example, go find someone who owns a Core2 6600 and Q6600 and run them on windows 10 side by side. You can't tell the difference unless you run a very specific niche task.

 

[FIVR]

It's obvious 8 cores will be the new standard with them being only $250-300 already and with intel scrambling to try to produce a cheap 6 and 8 core "mainstream" processors

I never insulted anyone and you know it.

He's probably just upset because until he read this thread, he thought his CPU was a special "enthusiast only" CPU.