The 9/9/2014 Apple Launch Event Thread

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Trombe

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I must be one of the few that thinks the A7 was barely adequate for iPads...granted most of the problems were likely RAM related but there was massive jitter just going back to home screen from some apps, frame drops from excessive throttling, and even more frame drops in Safari when viewing sites with those embedded picture/video frame things. That leave me scratching my head as to why people keep bringing up the "iOS is smoother" argument. Maybe it's just a use case difference. And now it's apparently another year of 1GB RAM, ugh.
 
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We are getting to the point where 1gb is insufficient especially at higher resolutions. We'll see. Maybe the 6s is worth waiting for? Haha.

With that said the Nexus 10 is a lag fest, so I'm sure iPad users have it much better.
 

akugami

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There is a huge difference between the 5 and the 5s. There isn't much of a difference between the 6 and the 5s at all really except slightly bigger screen, NFC payments, rounded edges, and a 6-8% performance difference. The regular 5 and 5c don't even have the A7 processor in them unlike the 5s.

Yeah but that's not your argument. You were trying to say there was no interest in a 6 plus, which I disagree with.

I will agree that for 5s owners, upgrading to a 6 doesn't make as much sense but a 5s to a 6 plus is still a decent upgrade if you are ok with the larger screen.

Battery is a 2900ma battery in the 6+ and 1800 in the 6. Battery life is comparable with the 5s, but slightly better than the 5 or 4 series. Some reports though showing the battery not nearly what is being hyped to be in the 6 especially with the bigger screen size. Most of the big android phones with 5.5 inch 1080p ips screens go with a 3200ma or bigger battery for a reason.
Comparing raw battery size between an Android phone and iPhone is not valid. The OS has a lot to do with battery life and we know Apple is extremely aggressive in optimizing iOS for battery life. Granted this is largely due to controlling how apps work but also what apps can run and when. Traditionally, Apple's iPhone gets top notch battery life and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if your phone has half the battery size as the other guys if it does everything you need and gets comparable or better battery life.


Umm wtf is this statement? Apple isn't doing anything better or worse for the same features that have been present on Android phones for a long time. Apple is putting out a quality product with the 6 series I am sure. But to say that the features in the 6 are just "better" than Android equivalent is stupid.
Exactly what it says. Two companies can implement the same feature, but one has a better implementation. A lot of times, it's not the company with the new technology or feature that wins, it's the one with the better implementation. And by implementation, I'm not always talking technical implementation but from a marketing standpoint.

In this case, with NFC, I think Apple is hitting the perfect storm. Other companies have already done the hard work of getting NFC capable credit card terminals to merchants. Anyone who hasn't upgraded to an EMV compliant credit card terminal needs to do so soon. And the new PCI 3.0 compliance rules kick into effect which means merchants need credit card terminal or POS software upgrades.

Apple on occasion innovates and then sits on their laurels for a long time. The original iPhone with gorilla glass was HUGE. Until then, all smart phones used plastic screens and had pressure based touch interfaces. The screens got scratched easy and ere easily broken. It was because of Apple and Steve Jobs, as well as many chinese engineers, that figured out how to correctly cut gorilla glass small enough to use on a phone. Corning couldn't figure out how to do it with their product at all. That was a huge break through in smart phone technology. Massive innovation.
Agreed. That is Apple's biggest problem. They get something new or cool and they just sit on it until everyone catches up.

Later, having a nice camera on a smart phone that was equivalent to any pocket snap shot dedicated camera was huge. It put apps like Instagram on the map. Speaking of which the App store was an amazing innovation. I used to use windows 6.1 mobile for smart phones way back in the past. Finding application to install was a major PITA if you weren't a complete and total geek into this stuff.

But since then, Apple has rested on it's laurels. The upgrades since basically the 3GS have been only incremental in nature. Hey it happens. Truthfully, I don't think there is going to be much of a break through innovation wise needed for smart phones unless we get something super futuristic like we see in movies with holographic projection or something like that. Even that I doubt will be good.

Apple right now is just keeping up with Android in terms of upgrade changes. There isn't any doubt to that, but at least they are still putting out a good product. A bit over priced in my opinion, but good none the less. They are basically charging for brand name at this point similar to designer jeans.
To be fair, I think that Android phones have been largely iterative for a while now as well. Where Android has a leg up on iPhones is the more varied device sizes and form factors which covers practically anything anyone wants and the more customizable nature of Android. At this point, the iTunes ecosystem is probably the iPhone's biggest plus. But I'm invested in that iTunes ecosystem and iOS still has the best edutainment apps, especially for young children. And my mom likes Facetime and the iPhone is the only thing she knows how to use when talking to my kids or my brother's kids.
 

HumblePie

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akugami,

I never stated there was no interest in the 6+. I stated I don't know a single person in real life that currently has an iphone that is interested in the 6+. They either have a 5s and aren't interested in the 6 series at all, or they have something slower and don't really want that big of a screen. Many I know are business professionals and don't want a bigger phone in their pocket which is why they prefer the iphone. I personally use LG G3 and the big phone in my pocket doesn't bother me at all. But I find all the current iphone owners I personally know don't want a bigger screen at all. I know there are some iphone users out there that want a bigger screen, but I don't know them personally.

As far as raw battery sizes, I am comparing older battery sizes on existing product lines and new iterations of those same products to draw linear comparisons. iphones really don't have, and haven't had in a long while, the best battery life of flagship devices in their category of comparable competitor devices. They aren't the worst either at least. I was merely pointing out that the new 6 generation really isn't that big of a step up in battery life over the 5s and isn't still all that great compared to comparable competitor devices.
 

desura

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I must be one of the few that thinks the A7 was barely adequate for iPads...granted most of the problems were likely RAM related but there was massive jitter just going back to home screen from some apps, frame drops from excessive throttling, and even more frame drops in Safari when viewing sites with those embedded picture/video frame things. That leave me scratching my head as to why people keep bringing up the "iOS is smoother" argument. Maybe it's just a use case difference. And now it's apparently another year of 1GB RAM, ugh.

I'm not sure about that. I have a galaxy tab s and it's great for movies and stuff but pretty awful for everything else. And its specs dwarf the ipad's. the ipads I've played with are significantly faster and more usable (not stupid capacitive buttons on the bezel) than the samsung.

Samsung has really bad design choices now that I think about it. It's too bad since they have the best basic science out there (AMOLED screen)
 

blairharrington

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Just watched a hands-on. iPhone 6 rocks back and forth on a flat surface if you don't use a case because of the protruding camera. That's really lame if you ever type on a keyboard in that scenario.
 

Trombe

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I'm not sure about that. I have a galaxy tab s and it's great for movies and stuff but pretty awful for everything else. And its specs dwarf the ipad's. the ipads I've played with are significantly faster and more usable (not stupid capacitive buttons on the bezel) than the samsung.

Samsung has really bad design choices now that I think about it. It's too bad since they have the best basic science out there (AMOLED screen)

I don't own any android tabs so I don't have an opinion on them. Not sure I would even say the Exynos is better than A7, thr Cyclone cores are amazing for what they are but I suppose time will tell whether 64 bit SOCs on the Android side will have as much performance gains from the ARMv8 transition. It's just that A7 felt more like a phone SOC than a tablet SOC because of the resolution difference between the 5S and the iPads. Wonder what happened to A7X, and whether the next model will have an A8X.
 

QueBert

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Price aside, I'm sold on the 128gb model, I'll be getting it and applying Gtechniq EXO v2 to the back to better protect it from scratching without needing a lame case.
 

Eug

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Just watched a hands-on. iPhone 6 rocks back and forth on a flat surface if you don't use a case because of the protruding camera. That's really lame if you ever type on a keyboard in that scenario.

I was afraid of that. That sucks. It was really annoying on the 3G - curved back.
 

Phokus

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lol 1 GB of RAM, what a scam.


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QueBert

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lol 1 GB of RAM, what a scam.

Yet I'll bet money right now that everything about it will feel faster than other handsets with 2-4 gigs. I laugh at people who think they need 3-4 gigs on their phone. My moms laptop has 2 gigs and that's a full blown computer,



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KentState

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Yet I'll bet money right now that everything about it will feel faster than other handsets with 2-4 gigs. I laugh at people who think they need 3-4 gigs on their phone. My moms laptop has 2 gigs and that's a full blown computer,



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We have already seen limitations of iOS devices with 1GB of RAM in Safari. For a 2014 Tier 1 phone, the lack of RAM is questionable.
 

Red Storm

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We have already seen limitations of iOS devices with 1GB of RAM in Safari. For a 2014 Tier 1 phone, the lack of RAM is questionable.

This.

1GB in the iPhone 6 is disappointing not because of what their competitors are doing, it's because 1GB of RAM in iOS is insufficient. Has nothing to do with other mobile OSes.
 

openwheel

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Wife's iPhone 5S "feels" more sluggish compared to even my Nexus 7 FHD. The way iOS animates helps a ton, but you can feel the difference. She couldn't stand it anymore and took my Nexus instead.

1GB is simply not acceptable from consumer's point of view. It is great from a shareholder's point of view though....
 

trmiv

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I certainly notice the limitations of the 1GB of ram on my iPad 4 in Safari. It really struggles when I've got a lot of tabs open. Not sure I would purchase a phone in 2014 with only 1gb a ram. It is a concern to me especially spending that kind of cash and being under contract again.
 

rcpratt

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This.

1GB in the iPhone 6 is disappointing not because of what their competitors are doing, it's because 1GB of RAM in iOS is insufficient. Has nothing to do with other mobile OSes.
But at the same time, mocking the competition for doing it "wrong" is pretty hilarious.
 

Eug

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I must be one of the few that thinks the A7 was barely adequate for iPads...granted most of the problems were likely RAM related but there was massive jitter just going back to home screen from some apps, frame drops from excessive throttling, and even more frame drops in Safari when viewing sites with those embedded picture/video frame things. That leave me scratching my head as to why people keep bringing up the "iOS is smoother" argument. Maybe it's just a use case difference. And now it's apparently another year of 1GB RAM, ugh.
You are definitely in the minority there.

Really? I thought that the 5-5s leap wasn't really worthwhile at all.

Yes, you get a faster processor and a fingerprint reader.

But the A6 is more than enough for such a small screen. A7 made a ton of sense for the ipad, but for the iphone it is meh.

fingerprint reader is nice, but not really important imo.

Same RAM, same form factor, same screen.
IMO, Touch ID is one of the biggest improvement handset ergonmics in the last 5 years. It's totally awesome.

Talking with people around here that have iPhones. Those that have the 5s are not looking to upgrade yet. Those with anything slower/older than the 5s are all going to get the regular 6. Don't know a single person interested in the 6+ yet that is a current iphone user.

There isn't really an upgrade from the 5s to the 6 or 6+ at all right now except for the NFC which isn't a big deal to most of the people around here. There isn't many terminals that accept NFC payments yet where I like. Walgreens, and a few vending machines are the only things I have found with working NFC consoles. There are a few grocery stores and other places that have the emblem for NFC payments, but it doesn't actually work at those terminals yet.

So unless you really want a bigger screen, which most current iphone users I personally know don't, those with the 5s are really disappointed and aren't upgrading. Least that is what feedback I've received. They are waiting for the 6s or something later for an actual upgrade.

Those with anything older than the 5s are on the pre-order bandwagon though for the regular 6.
Yep. I prefer the 5s actually for the size. However, Apple's forced market segmentation works wonders. My sister briefly considered the 6+ for Kindle reading, but then decided it was far too big for her. So, then it came down to the iPhone 5s 64 GB or the iPhone 6 64 GB... except the iPhone 5s 64 GB no longer exists. It's been discontinued. So, she's likely going to get the 6 64 GB, which of course was Apple's intent all along with the way they've structured the current offerings.

NFC would work better here in Canada, but then again it's not needed, since most of our credit cards are already RFID-enabled anyway. No swiping necessary. My only credit card that isn't RFID-enabled is American Express. Basically all of the Mastercards and Visa have RFID chips in them for swipeless payment. Most of the Amex cards do too, but mine is an old discontinued card, but I'm grandfathered in with this card since I had it long before they discontinued it.
 

Red Storm

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NFC would work better here in Canada, but then again it's not needed, since most of our credit cards are already RFID-enabled anyway. No swiping necessary. My only credit card that isn't RFID-enabled is American Express. Basically all of the Mastercards and Visa have RFID chips in them for swipeless payment. Most of the Amex cards do too, but mine is an old discontinued card, but I'm grandfathered in with this card since I had it long before they discontinued it.

Swiping is not the problem/inconvenience, it's having to bring out (and carry) your card(s) in your wallet. I will probably always carry around my cards, just like I always carry some cash with me, but I definitely enjoy the convenience NFC can bring us.
 

bearxor

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IMO, Touch ID is one of the biggest improvement handset ergonmics in the last 5 years. It's totally awesome.

Last week someone was being a bit pissy about the Apple coverage and said something along the lines of "oooh, a fingerprint sensor, big deal! I had a Motorola Atrix and it had a fingerprint sensor!" Then made a gesture of swiping his finger down the back like you did on the Atrix as if to say how silly it is that Apple considers that a feature.

Now, I usually don't get in to conversations with these people. They have their mind made up. It's like talking about religion almost. People have their minds made up and just simply aren't open to anything. I'm wasting my time to talk about stuff. Which is why I have really backed off the past couple of months around here because it's the same way.

But comparing TouchID to the fingerprint sensor on the Atrix was just insane. Clearly someone who had never used TouchID. The two are only similar in that they are considered "fingerprint readers" so they would both fall in to that circle but TouchID is so much easier to use and far more consistent that comparing it was just ludicrous.

Now, maybe TouchID isn't a great feature for you. That's fine. As someone who's now required to have a PIN on his device it's amazing. I actively avoided joining it to work email because I didn't want to bother with a PIN. It's been pretty amazing but it only works because of the physical home button, which is OK by me as I also don't like virtual buttons or capacitive buttons. But that's all just my opinion and preference and I'm ok with it if others don't feel the same way I do.

I feel like I've written way too much now and I'm going to hit submit and there's going to be like this massive wall of text no one will ever read.
 

Imported

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The Apple store in Palo Alto isn't far from work and I drive by it on my way in.. 4 people already camping out this morning. Woo. Don't think I'll be getting it day 1. Just gonna check back with them over the next few weeks.
 
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