The Framers of the Constitution 250 years ago owned slaves and didn't think women were equal to men.Yes, but a strict constitutionalist point of view is a modern interpretation on the right as to how the constitution should be viewed. It is neither correct nor historical but pretends to be. As a liberal who claims to have an inner understanding of the enlightenment that illuminated so much of the founding fathers thinking, I assure you it would not be possible for such men not to know that law is only a proximate attempt at justice and truth, the awareness of which demands a higher living conscious state that can’t ever be fixed or fully formulated in words. Truth constantly refreshes itself depending of the living context in which it is expressed. The conservative justices do not want to see that. Their job is to deal out justice on ideological lines, the very thing the court was put in place to avoid. They are out of step both with the American people and reality.
They even got gun legislation wrong though voted for the wrong reasons, correctly, in my opinion.
Well that’s not such good news. Perhaps then we shall soon see anti union corporations start declaring they own their employees. If you are right then the court will surely agree.The Framers of the Constitution 250 years ago owned slaves and didn't think women were equal to men.
Modern US Conservatives are OK with that belief system and will interpret the Constitution using that belief system to get what they want.
All the rest is semantics.
That's where it's headed in a lot of Red States. "Deregulate" means let businesses do whatever they want. That will include company towns. Neo-feudalism is the goal.Well that’s not such good news. Perhaps then we shall soon see anti union corporations start declaring they own their employees. If you are right then the court will surely agree.
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Shoulda replied with Leroy Jenkins… missed that one.Edits applied, thank you for letting me know.
Ok so after 6 pages are we back to "The whole personhood argument is a crock of shit and the abortion debate actually revolves around bodily autonomy"?
Good, cause the personhood debate is a crock of bullshit and the abortion debate actually revolves around bodily autonomy.
Let me know when an elderly person cannot live without being attached to another human (congenital twins need not apply).No, its down to the usual. At conception, a unique DNS strand is created is created, but because it cant live outside the mother's womb, its not a person. As well, an elderly person with a unique DNA strand who cant live without external help also isnt a person. Just abort them. If they cant live or breath on their own, abort them.
Right?
Let me know when an elderly person cannot live without being attached to another human (congenital twins need not apply).
Quoted for the history booksSo attached to another human vs depending on other humans to live isnt the same thing?
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Yeah those aren't the same thing buckaroo.So attached to another human vs depending on other humans to live isnt the same thing?
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Too literal:No, its down to the usual. At conception, a unique DNS strand is created is created, but because it cant live outside the mother's womb, its not a person. As well, an elderly person with a unique DNA strand who cant live without external help also isnt a person. Just abort them. If they cant live or breath on their own, abort them.
Right?
No, its down to the usual. At conception, a unique DNS strand is created is created, but because it cant live outside the mother's womb, its not a person. As well, an elderly person with a unique DNA strand who cant live without external help also isnt a person. Just abort them. If they cant live or breath on their own, abort them.
Right?
You don't need to declare it. They already own most people and they aren't even aware of it. Republicans especially make sure there is less and less we can do about it.Well that’s not such good news. Perhaps then we shall soon see anti union corporations start declaring they own their employees. If you are right then the court will surely agree.
Ever hear of pulling the plug? Why is that legal? We can run the machines forever.No, its down to the usual. At conception, a unique DNS strand is created is created, but because it cant live outside the mother's womb, its not a person. As well, an elderly person with a unique DNA strand who cant live without external help also isnt a person. Just abort them. If they cant live or breath on their own, abort them.
Right?
So attached to another human vs depending on other humans to live isnt the same thing?
LOL
I think there is quite a distance between being a slave and declaring you have the right to own them. I think we will see the gas chambers or work camps come back before the practice of open slavery. I could always be wrong but I don't think so at the moment.You don't need to declare it. They already own most people and they aren't even aware of it. Republicans especially make sure there is less and less we can do about it.
I'm certain you're right. But traditional slavery won't be far behind.I think there is quite a distance between being a slave and declaring you have the right to own them. I think we will see the gas chambers or work camps come back before the practice of open slavery. I could always be wrong but I don't think so at the moment.
I think it is all about being religiously brainwashed into thinking that their egos are going to heaven simply by being pro fetus and that being pro life isn’t their job. With so little self love in their lives, they believe that a concern for the welfare of others would come out of what little they have left. They are emotionally the most devoid of empathy and the most driven to seek payback for what happened to them. Nobody saved them from becoming Stockholm Syndrome victims. Why care about real children.For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would think they're having a good faith argument with people who openly wouldn't lift a finger to feed, clothe, house, or educate the child once it's born.
The issue of abortion has literally nothing to do with children. It's about using the state to control your sexual and reproductive behavior. They don't give the slightest fuck about the children, born or unborn. They see the suffering of children only as a means to hate the parents, and to inflict hate and punishment on the needy for being unable to care for their offspring.
That was harsh, some of us just like jousting at windmillsI think it is all about being religiously brainwashed into thinking that their egos are going to heaven simply by being pro fetus and that being pro life isn’t their job. With so little self love in their lives, they believe that a concern for the welfare of others would come out of what little they have left. They are emotionally the most devoid of empathy and the most driven to seek payback for what happened to them. Nobody saved them from becoming Stockholm Syndrome victims. Why care about real children.