The Agonizing Predicament of the Scarcely Protected Whistleblower

[akenbennu]

Think we're all falling for the Bullshit asymmetry principle. imported is just throwing out BS and we're spending time to refute it with no effect on his point of view.

This explains Trumps entire defense strategy.

 

[thilanliyan]

To try to find out if his/her information is accurate and backed by evidence? To see if they just made something up for political reasons?

Your first point can be done without knowing who they are (hence the investigation based on the "tip" provided).
Your second point is there to try and invalidate the first. However, if going by FACTS coming out from the investigation, the second point is irrelevant.

 

[cytg111]

Crowd fund this persons retirement. While a patriot will take any consequence to the face and expect nothing in return... they dont have to.
The concept of a patriot escapes someone like Trump .. cause he dont understand it, to him the only possible reason is : Personal. Its personal.

 

[pmv]

I do wonder what Taj would be saying if the political polarities were reversed. If this were a whistleblower making credible (or even incredible) allegations about a Democrat. Given the credence Republican partisans have given to completely crazy accusations about Dems (who was that poster who kept posting bizarre nonsense from 'Q'?) I doubt Taj would be taking the same line if positions were swapped.

I suppose to be fair, I don't know how the anti-Trump people would be reacting in that case. But I seriously doubt more than the odd over-excitable one would be taking Taj's stance here.

(Actually, it's a real pain that in general it's hard to do that hypothetical switch thought-experiment, because conditions are almost never, ever symmetrical, such that you could envisage something exactly the same but reversed.)

 

[hal2kilo]

If a CEO were to say the fraction of what Trump and company have said about this whistleblower specifically they would have been thrown out on their ass by their board immediately. What Trump is doing is dangerous. Full stop.

My corporate training agrees. Retaliation for reporting company/personnel wrong doing is a big no no. We had our HR head perp walked off the grounds for leaking the person's name who reported wrong doing to the subject of the wrong doing. Also, the subject of the wrong doing was perp walked off the property.

 

[quikah]

The first hand knowledge requirement is a BS "deepstate" conspiracy theory that the far right is trying to peddle out to discredit the whistleblower. The form was changed to exclude that requirement because there is NO requirement of this in the actual law.

Here is the 1998 Whistleblower Protection Act (Title VII, near the end)

https://uscode.house.gov/statutes/pl/105/272.pdf

There is not a single mention of hearsay, secondhand or firsthand in there.

 

[hal2kilo]

Think we're all falling for the Bullshit asymmetry principle. imported is just throwing out BS and we're spending time to refute it with no effect on his point of view.

Also, feeding trolls is stupid.

 

[Amused]

All this alleged whistleblower did is supply hearsay. None of his/her information was first hand knowledge. You make the huge jump that the accused is a criminal and do it without proof, evidence or witnesses.

Not a single thing you've said here has any basis in fact.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'm sure most mob bosses would love to know who snitched on them so they can bury them 6 feet under. Trump is no different.

 

[Jhhnn]

The president literally released a document that confirmed the central allegation.

Think we're all falling for the Bullshit asymmetry principle. imported is just throwing out BS and we're spending time to refute it with no effect on his point of view.

Correct on both counts. All the evidence required for impeachment is in the transcription provided by the White House, the fact that they attempted to prevent the complaint from going to Congress plus the words of both Trump & Giuliani since then. The whistle blower report itself & the details surrounding it no longer matter. They solicited a thing of value, campaign dirt, from a foreign govt in knowing contravention of US campaign law. That's utterly indefensible. The alleged reasons for doing so are immaterial.

 

[TheVrolok]

lol, the taj floundering is hilarious. I actually feel badly for him, unlike Slow (who I think is just a troll/paid shill), I think taj actually believes the bullshit he says.

 

[Paratus]

lol, the taj floundering is hilarious. I actually feel badly for him, unlike Slow (who I think is just a troll/paid shill), I think taj actually believes the bullshit he says.

He’s spinning faster than a dropped cat with buttered toast taped to its back.

Spoiler

 

[JEDIYoda]

He's not the accuser. He's not bringing charges against the President. The government hopefully will be the accuser. He's a whistleblower that is bringing wrongdoing to the attention of the government so that it can investigate. As such he's entitled to protection.

He deserves protection! It does’nt matter where the whistleblower obtained the information or from who!
As the facts have presented themselves the whistleblower is credible!
The one mistake Trump made at the prodding of McConnell was to release the transcript which gave credibility to the Whistlebliwer!

 

[JEDIYoda]

So is making sure they are telling the truth and being accurate considered "intimidation"?

The system is set up to insure they are truthful and accurate! The system also is set to to assure that only certain people get to do that and NO the accused is not one of those people! So sorry that Trump can’t meet his accuser and try to bribe or intimidate him/her!!

 

[zinfamous]

Where does it say that they can't be identified or questioned by anyone they accuse? I can see where they can't be retaliated against, but questioned? identified? testify in public? under oath?

Why are you s concerned about knowing this person? Shouldn't serious (and confirmed by the accused himself) evidence of serious crimes against this country be thoroughly investigated? Isn't that the right course of action?

The president admitted to it already, so let the course continue.

Why are you only interested in the person that did the right thing here? Why is that? You loading up the grenades and prepared to put rubber down or something?