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WelshBloke

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We are using AI in medical imaging and diagnostics and it's pretty (and I hate this phrase) game changing. It's going to save a lot of lives!
 
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Kaido

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Yeah he has a "Get it done" attitude which is really respectable. Lot of people/organizations will beat around the bush and drag their feet but he doesn't do that. I'm sure that comes with it's challenges too as there are typically lot of barriers in place like regulations etc that are why most others are slowed down.

I'd be curious as to the statistics of outlier personalities vs. people who do big, crazy projects. Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, etc. I just kind of nef on ATOT & babysit my airfryer lol
 

JTsyo

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That seems like a quick way to lose your doctors licence!
I think the proper way to use them at this phase would be to have the doctors look at the images first, then the AI to see if they missed anything. Then the doctors can reexamine the ones that got flagged and see if it was valid.
 

WelshBloke

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I think the proper way to use them at this phase would be to have the doctors look at the images first, then the AI to see if they missed anything. Then the doctors can reexamine the ones that got flagged and see if it was valid.
Uploading medical records to a public AI would get you into all sorts of trouble over here!

We are using AI but its inhouse, all the patients have to give full, informed consent and everything is monitored.
 
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Kaido

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That seems like a quick way to lose your doctors licence!

From an end-user standpoint, I'm all for AI analysis! I spent 30 years sick & tired due to an undiagnosed enzyme deficiency that only affects 1% of the population. My primary "hobby" was seeing doctors & paying for tests outside of insurance. My symptoms list was over 60 items long. The medication I'm on was only released in 2018 & I didn't get on it until 2022, and I had to find it myself:

Histamine treatment post

As a result:

* My chronic, daily, debilitating brain fog is gone
* I have ZERO tinnitus
* The whole reason I got into IT was because I was a low-energy person. I no longer have insomnia, RLS, sleep inertia, etc.

It took three decades to get to feeling "normal" every day. No pain, no fatigue, no emotional dysregulation. It makes me wonder how fast AI would have diagnosed me...
 

WelshBloke

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From an end-user standpoint, I'm all for AI analysis! I spent 30 years sick & tired due to an undiagnosed enzyme deficiency that only affects 1% of the population. My primary "hobby" was seeing doctors & paying for tests outside of insurance. My symptoms list was over 60 items long. The medication I'm on was only released in 2018 & I didn't get on it until 2022, and I had to find it myself:

Histamine treatment post

As a result:

* My chronic, daily, debilitating brain fog is gone
* I have ZERO tinnitus
* The whole reason I got into IT was because I was a low-energy person. I no longer have insomnia, RLS, sleep inertia, etc.

It took three decades to get to feeling "normal" every day. No pain, no fatigue, no emotional dysregulation. It makes me wonder how fast AI would have diagnosed me...
Thats fine but there are laws about how you are supposed to handle peoples medical records!
 

pmv

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Anyway, my medical notes are by this point so voluminous they probably need a truck to haul them around. I'm sure they'd have the same demoralising effect on AI that they seem to have on human medics (It'd be like that bit in Hitchhiker's guide where Marvin talks to the police ship's computer and it loses the will to live).
 
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Kaido

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Anyway, my medical notes are by this point so voluminous they probably need a truck to haul them around. I'm sure they'd have the same demoralising effect on AI that they seem to have on human medics (It'd be like that bit in Hitchhiker's guide where Marvin talks to the police ship's computer and it loses the will to live).

My favorite was the emotional elevators that wouldn't go down because they had a fear of heights lol
 
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WelshBloke

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Anyway, my medical notes are by this point so voluminous they probably need a truck to haul them around. I'm sure they'd have the same demoralising effect on AI that they seem to have on human medics (It'd be like that bit in Hitchhiker's guide where Marvin talks to the police ship's computer and it loses the will to live).
I have had to pick up sets of notes before that were literally 3 foot thick. No one ever reads the earlier stuff.
Mainly because we are afraid of dropping them and having to file them again!
Plus 80% of it is illegible!
We were supposed to go "paper free" decades age. Notes are still mostly on paper.
 
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pmv

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I have had to pick up sets of notes before that were literally 3 foot thick. No one ever reads the earlier stuff.
Mainly because we are afraid of dropping them and having to file them again!
Plus 80% of it is illegible!
We were supposed to go "paper free" decades age. Notes are still mostly on paper.

Admittedly it was several decades ago, but I once did voluntary work doing general filling in an NHS hospital. Mostly spent in a basement, putting patients notes on shelves or fetching them when requested - the basement room (filled with shelving units) had a floor that was effectively carpeted with random bits of medical notes, x-ray films etc, that had clearly fallen out of various patient folders at various times in the past.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Admittedly it was several decades ago, but I once did voluntary work doing general filling in an NHS hospital. Mostly spent in a basement, putting patients notes on shelves or fetching them when requested - the basement room (filled with shelving units) had a floor that was effectively carpeted with random bits of medical notes, x-ray films etc, that had clearly fallen out of various patient folders at various times in the past.
TBH I'm always in awe of the records people that can find us anyones notes in such a short amount of time. I kinda want to go to the main storage area, it must be vast!
 

Red Squirrel

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I think the proper way to use them at this phase would be to have the doctors look at the images first, then the AI to see if they missed anything. Then the doctors can reexamine the ones that got flagged and see if it was valid.

Could also maybe be used to prioritize them. Say there is a queue of 100 xrays that the doc needs to check, the AI could look at them first and flag ones that may be urgent to get seen quicker.
 
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