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Captante

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It's like the geniuses of the world are dumbing down the rest of humanity with their inventions. The intelligent humans will become scarce and then persecuted by the dumb masses. And then there will be only dumb people left on Earth and complete chaos. I hope I'm dead before that happens.

Pretty sure the above has been happening for a long time!
 

Kaido

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Photo/video-realism 100% certainly is the ultimate goal .... especially in "AI-generated" video for "fake news" stories.

Scarily they WILL get there pretty soon too!

The "powers that be" have been working on this since the 1980's.
Stay tuned...


 
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cytg111

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So... Now you can download and run *UNCENSORED* LLM's on your own machine given you got the compute to handle it.
I am running a 3080ti and its slow as f.. takes maybe 10 minutes to formulate some answers but answers it does ... these opensource models is estimated to be GPT3.5 level there abouts.

Did I mention its *uncensored* ? You would not believe the shit I am looking at right now.

This thread probably belongs in PN cause its a *bomb* under society. I have all the power in my effen basement. In a couple of years we will all have the blueprints to create nuclear reactors in our basements.

Its ridiculous.

Also, its a given that this does not leave a trail on the internet should you inquire about venues of a darker nature

Again. A bomb.
 
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Kaido

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This thread probably belongs in PN cause its a *bomb* under society.

Personally, I think the impact is overhyped (FAMOUS LAST WORDS!). What it's going to boil down to is being a (highly) assistive tool. Like before, we had to go the store to get food or items. Now, Uber & Amazon will delivery virtually anything you want to eat or buy. Heck, I even order my paper towels & cans of tuna off Amazon, just because when I run out, I can press a button on the app & they magically show up within the week! So there are efficiency aspects to it, for sure. AI is going to help in creative fields like art, music, video editing, soundtrack creation, and writing. It's already helping in a lot of professional areas as well, such as writing real estate listings, building websites, creating presentations, etc. It's going to help up with things like automotive safety, medical advances, and analytics, such as satellite data usage:


People still need to wake up, eat, get ready for their day, and do something constructive in order to provide for themselves & not go insane from boredom haha. Nearly 10% of the world's population lives in extreme poverty. And it's not AI that's going to revolutionize the world, it's simply getting people washing machines:


Also, the trailer for the Creator AI movie looks super fun haha:

 

cytg111

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Mar 17, 2008
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Personally, I think the impact is overhyped (FAMOUS LAST WORDS!). What it's going to boil down to is being a (highly) assistive tool. Like before, we had to go the store to get food or items. Now, Uber & Amazon will delivery virtually anything you want to eat or buy. Heck, I even order my paper towels & cans of tuna off Amazon, just because when I run out, I can press a button on the app & they magically show up within the week! So there are efficiency aspects to it, for sure. AI is going to help in creative fields like art, music, video editing, soundtrack creation, and writing. It's already helping in a lot of professional areas as well, such as writing real estate listings, building websites, creating presentations, etc. It's going to help up with things like automotive safety, medical advances, and analytics, such as satellite data usage:


People still need to wake up, eat, get ready for their day, and do something constructive in order to provide for themselves & not go insane from boredom haha. Nearly 10% of the world's population lives in extreme poverty. And it's not AI that's going to revolutionize the world, it's simply getting people washing machines:


Also, the trailer for the Creator AI movie looks super fun haha:


Yea, my point is that anyone can have this anarchist cookbook times a million in their basement and you will leave no trail online whatsoever while you cook your meth, pipe bombs and nuclear reactors.

When information first became mainstream with the internet, a lot of snooping and safeguards were installed to catch bad actors before they go critical mass.
You can do *a-lot* of research at home now and be 100% incognito.
That is what I mean by this being a bomb under society. Literally.
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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So... Now you can download and run *UNCENSORED* LLM's on your own machine given you got the compute to handle it.
I am running a 3080ti and its slow as f.. takes maybe 10 minutes to formulate some answers but answers it does ... these opensource models is estimated to be GPT3.5 level there abouts.

Did I mention its *uncensored* ? You would not believe the shit I am looking at right now.

This thread probably belongs in PN cause its a *bomb* under society. I have all the power in my effen basement. In a couple of years we will all have the blueprints to create nuclear reactors in our basements.

Its ridiculous.

Also, its a given that this does not leave a trail on the internet should you inquire about venues of a darker nature

Again. A bomb.


To me the ability to run AI at home and have control over it is truly where it will shine. Current AI services like chat GPT are similar to Univac days, where you had to go rent time on the computer. It's free in this case but you are still more or less at mercy of a 3rd party so I wouldn't design an entire application around it or put any real world reliance on it. But once you can run something like that from home, and have control over training etc is going to be pretty incredible.

Now I'm kind of tempted to revive my mining rig, but use it for AI. I need GPUs though and those are not cheap now days, like over a grand each for latest gen.
 

Red Squirrel

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How many trees would you have to cut to afford a 4090?

Too many lol. Probably like 30 cords worth of firewood. Though with a saw mill could make it go further by selling lumber instead. The higher end stuff like 6x6x16. Although even then need to sell like 40+ of those if I want to go below Home Depot prices.

I eventually do want to setup a saw mill though, it would be a good way to make specific lumber sizes with wood I have on site and a bit of extra money on the side, but a lot of work to get to a scale where I can make thousands. There's a local saw mill here that has reasonable prices, so it would be hard to actually compete with that. I might even just end up buying from them for my initial build.
 

Kaido

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Midjourney (Art AI) has a new Pan (panning) feature, which can use generative AI to fill in the blank. People are already making some really cool videos with it, including generating art from their smartphone & editing the video right on their smartphone!


I know a lot of artists hate AI. I'm someone who struggles with executive dysfunction (Inattentive ADHD). Basically that means that sometimes following steps (i.e. checklist) makes my brain feel like it's about to get a Charlie horse & makes me nauseous. So being able to bring ideas to life using an assistive tool without having to focus my executive functions when running on low dopamine (mental fuel) is REALLY nice! I still like to airbrush, draw, etc. but it's really cool to have more tools in my stable! I've been especially addicted to Photoshop Beta's AI tools...my wife has done wedding, family, and real estate photography for like 15+ years & it's BONKERS how easy the job of editing is now! It's like going from being a pioneer across America with an ox & a covered wagon for months on end to flying in a jet from NYC to LA in under 7 hours!

 

Kaido

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The photorealism aspect is really starting to creep up in quality. They have some extra plugins & scripts for upscaling & adding detail. It kind of feels like how the Hackintosh world blew up in a spaghetti-like manner 10 or 15 years ago once Apple announced they were going to use Intel chips...lots of high-speed R&D across the world going into pushing the boundaries of what's possible!



For vehicles, the AI-generated graphics have gotten ridiculously fun:




Illustration work for backgrounds is amazing:




Fantasy architecture is unbelievable:


 

Kaido

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When information first became mainstream with the internet, a lot of snooping and safeguards were installed to catch bad actors before they go critical mass.
You can do *a-lot* of research at home now and be 100% incognito.
That is what I mean by this being a bomb under society. Literally.

Oh I see...literally, haha! Yes, it's scary what kind of access people have. Last year, they did a (crappy) Deepfake of Zelensky surrendering on a hacked Ukranian site:


I just saw Indiana Jones 5 & they did a pretty good job on the young-AI version of Harrison Ford, who played himself (oddly enough, they didn't use AI to tweak his older-sounding voice, as he's 80 years old currently!). Still catchable for people who have an eye for it, but pretty good for a Hollywood flick!

 

Kaido

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To me the ability to run AI at home and have control over it is truly where it will shine. Current AI services like chat GPT are similar to Univac days, where you had to go rent time on the computer. It's free in this case but you are still more or less at mercy of a 3rd party so I wouldn't design an entire application around it or put any real world reliance on it. But once you can run something like that from home, and have control over training etc is going to be pretty incredible.

Now I'm kind of tempted to revive my mining rig, but use it for AI. I need GPUs though and those are not cheap now days, like over a grand each for latest gen.

This WILL happen eventually! The cat is out the bag, Pandora's box is open, and we can't take the egg out of the cake. Apple's latest M2 chips can generate a Stable Diffusion image in under 18 seconds:


4090 GPU's are going for nearly two grand on Amazon (might as well get a laptop with a 4080 for $800 more, lol!), although you can get a 24-core CPU for under $600 these days, which is pretty bonkers! My brain likes to get saturated on modern news topics, so currently I like to track the growth of AI daily to see what interesting new ways it develops in. Like they have stuff out for Excel & Sheets where you can simply type in what you want & it will generate all of the formulas for you! The ability for people to come up with ideas without having to become specialists in art, writing, programming, spreadsheets is going to be REALLY impactful!

What kills me about the art stuff is that I grew up in the 80's. I'm in a niche non-Boomer/Millenial/whatever generation called Oregon Trailsters, where we were the first group of kids to get computers in schools, the early AIO Mac computers. We had stuff like Oregon Trail & in 1986 got Number Munchers for the school Apple II's (I have math dyslexia & the only reason I figured out basic math at a young age was because of that game, lol!). My typing class switched to computers, so I only had a limited amount of time on typewriters, correction tape, etc. That class set the foundation of my ability to be able to use computers efficiently & effectively (and eventually led to 40K posts on ATOT, hahaha!).

Now we've got pretty dang accurate voice dictation on our smartphones, smart assistants, Zoom plugins that can summarize meeting minutes & send out invitations with action items & calendar invites, and an endless amount of other neat tools available. A lot of people don't even know that the free Google app for iPhone can solve math by camera, identify plants & objects to purchase by camera, and even do real-time word translation with language overlays by camera! I was just hanging out with my friend's grandma the other day, who was visiting from China, and was using Google Translate to do two-way text-to-speech & speech-to-text from English to Mandarin, and it was surprisingly fairly accurate! For FREE!!

We live in a bonkers time. It's crazy how much AI is advancing, and yet we have a ridiculous cost-of-living crisis. Medical healthcare has insane technology, yet so many can't afford it. Food costs have skyrocketed, despite pushbutton tools like Instapots & airfryers being available to help reduce the burden of daily cooking. School has become ridiculously expensive. There's a lot of physical & monetary issues we need to solve in the meantime!
 

Kaido

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Red Squirrel

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The image based AI is what I find is the most incredible. Even the ones that don't look good, the fact that they can actually understand context and what things look like, and make them look semi reasonable is pretty crazy. I need to actually read up more on this stuff and try to understand it better. I know in very basic how it works but that's only scratching the surface.
 
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I need to actually read up more on this stuff and try to understand it better.
Don't think anyone understands it. How neural networks extract useful information from millions or billions of data points and store it in a model and then use that model to create never seen before stuff, is kind of a blackbox, even for seasoned researchers in this field.

The day we understand that is the day we create something like a Star Wars droid. Or worse. Our replacement.
 

Red Squirrel

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Don't think anyone understands it. How neural networks extract useful information from millions or billions of data points and store it in a model and then use that model to create never seen before stuff, is kind of a blackbox, even for seasoned researchers in this field.

The day we understand that is the day we create something like a Star Wars droid. Or worse. Our replacement.

Yeah from what I did read some of the people working on it don't even quite understand it fully, it just kind of, works. You almost need to be something super high end like a software engineer and also a neurosurgeon and be proficient in both, to really understand it, it's a weird topic where both normally completely different trades cross path.
 
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