The AMD Kabini Review: A4-5000 APU Tested

[Abwx]

I very much doubt that Kaveri is going to have that much breathing space.

Why was Otelini ousted ?..

For the same reason than Dirk Meyer at AMD , explicitly
because he neglected the low power devices market ;
Intel just realized that they better had advanced Bail Trail
and delayed Haswell wich has indeed already slipped by
a quarter in respect of their original launch window.

There will be no 14nm in 2014 , it is on the map for H1 2015 ,
in the waiting they will extend slightly HW lifecycle thanks to
a refresh of the design.

http://www.pcworld.fr/processeur/ac...roadwell-skylake-fuite-pincettes,538003,1.htm

 

[sequoia464]

Richland is just a stop-gap though, at least on desktop and it's a drop-in FM2 replacement so it's not like the OEM's have to commit to a year with it.

My wife's desktop just died a tragic death this morning, looking to build a FM2 machine for a replacement, from the little I have read Richland is just a minor refresh of trinity?

Not really any compelling reason to wait for Richland is there?

 

[Abwx]

Not really any compelling reason to wait for Richland is there?

To the contrary , since Richland will be priced to the level
of current APUs we can expect Trinity prices to be seriously
shaved once the new line is available , that is in a week or two.

 

[SiliconWars]

My wife's desktop just died a tragic death this morning, looking to build a FM2 machine for a replacement, from the little I have read Richland is just a minor refresh of trinity?

Not really any compelling reason to wait for Richland is there?

It's nothing you're going to notice generally. 10% faster cpu and 20% faster IGP at best.

If you can hold off a couple of weeks you should try though just because it is an upgrade and as Abwx says Trinity will see some price drops. They are already cheap though so if she really needs the PC asap then no I wouldn't wait. The 5600K might be a decent buy now for 20 bucks less, and might come with SimCity as well.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Why was Otelini ousted ?..

For the same reason than Dirk Meyer at AMD , explicitly
because he neglected the low power devices market ;
Intel just realized that they better had advanced Bail Trail
and delayed Haswell wich has indeed already slipped by
a quarter in respect of their original launch window.

There is no comparison between Meyer and Otellini.

Meyer was shown the door immediately, thus proving he was ousted, Otellini left 6 months after announcing he was retiring, thus it looks like he chose to go on his own, rather than being ousted.

There will be no 14nm in 2014 , it is on the map for H1 2015 ,
in the waiting they will extend slightly HW lifecycle thanks to
a refresh of the design.

http://www.pcworld.fr/processeur/ac...roadwell-skylake-fuite-pincettes,538003,1.htm

I believe ShintaiDK has already debunked this story about no Intel 14nm products till 2015.

 

[NTMBK]

There will be no 14nm in 2014 , it is on the map for H1 2015 ,
in the waiting they will extend slightly HW lifecycle thanks to
a refresh of the design.

That is a Desktop roadmap, not a general one- the reason 14nm is so late on there is because Broadwell is not coming to desktop, so it only shows up with Skylake.

 

[sequoia464]

If you can hold off a couple of weeks you should try though just because it is an upgrade and as Abwx says Trinity will see some price drops.

Thanks, I might wait a bit then, she has an Ipad that she can surf with, do her banking in the meantime.

For her uses though I might just get an A4, save $50, and put it towards a SSD.

 

[Idontcare]

I don't wanna post a new topic since nothing is verified yet,so I'll leave it here(and IDC can move it if needs be).

It needn't be removed, fine where it is, but even if I didn't feel that way I wouldn't remove it. The forums are here for the community to use as a white-space that works for them in realtime. Who am I to say what is or isn't working? Carry on, its all good

 

[Seraphimcaduto]

It's nothing you're going to notice generally. 10% faster cpu and 20% faster IGP at best.

If you can hold off a couple of weeks you should try though just because it is an upgrade and as Abwx says Trinity will see some price drops. They are already cheap though so if she really needs the PC asap then no I wouldn't wait. The 5600K might be a decent buy now for 20 bucks less, and might come with SimCity as well.

What about if the leap was from llano to Richland? Would that qualify a wait?

 

[R0H1T]

What about if the leap was from llano to Richland? Would that qualify a wait?

I dunno why others are saying that richland isn't worth waiting for, well not unless you're waiting for Kaveri ! Haswell at the same 22nm will probably deliver lesser CPU/IGP gains & has a TDP that's roughly ~10% more than IVB, beat that :whiste:

 

[ShintaiDK]

That is a Desktop roadmap, not a general one- the reason 14nm is so late on there is because Broadwell is not coming to desktop, so it only shows up with Skylake.

Incorrect.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I believe ShintaiDK has already debunked this story about no Intel 14nm products till 2015.

Its just the latest in the same desperate rumour mill again to try put some hope into the slain AMD.

Its the same thing every year since it started with "Lynnfield wont overclock". Sandy Bridge will be even worse to overclock. Just like Conroe was overclocked Opterons.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I dunno why others are saying that richland isn't worth waiting for, well not unless you're waiting for Kaveri ! Haswell at the same 22nm will probably deliver lesser CPU/IGP gains & has a TDP that's roughly ~10% more than IVB, beat that :whiste:

The tests in another thread showed real world power consumption lower on Haswell than IB, despite the higher IPC.

Anyway, I see very few if any posters arguing to upgrade from SB or IB to Haswell, based on preliminary tests, so I dont really see how that comment has any relevance.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

The tests in another thread showed real world power consumption lower on Haswell than IB, despite the higher IPC.

Anyway, I see very few if any posters arguing to upgrade from SB or IB to Haswell, based on preliminary tests, so I dont really see how that comment has any relevance.

The only reason I'm contemplating it is because the 2500k isn't hyperthreaded. I want to see how well haswell overclocks before I make any decisions though.

 

[R0H1T]

The tests in another thread showed real world power consumption lower on Haswell than IB, despite the higher IPC.

I think the jury is out for that but I agree more data & some hard facts are needed to establish whether the said claims are true or not. Anyways the higher TDP number is there for a given reason, be it the IGP or the CPU itself the fact is that Haswell may well be more efficient than IVB but I do expect it to run hotter only marginally though.

Anyway, I see very few if any posters arguing to upgrade from SB or IB to Haswell, based on preliminary tests, so I dont really see how that comment has any relevance.

Like I said I do agree on this point.

 

[SiliconWars]

What about if the leap was from llano to Richland? Would that qualify a wait?

That depends on usage again, but the games you play on Llano are going to be the same games you play on Richland, just faster on Richland.

I'm not sure that I'd make that upgrade if I had Llano, I'd wait on Kaveri.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Anyways the higher TDP number is there for a given reason, be it the IGP or the CPU itself the fact is that Haswell may well be more efficient than IVB but I do expect it to run hotter only marginally though.

Its mainly VRM.

 

[Abwx]

Its mainly VRM.

There s no VRMs in Haswell , that s one very rare point
where Phynaz got it right , only the control and command
circuits are in HW die , just look at the MBs , we can clearly
see the VRMs around the CPU socket.

There is no comparison between Meyer and Otellini.

Meyer was shown the door immediately, thus proving he was ousted, Otellini left 6 months after announcing he was retiring, thus it looks like he chose to go on his own, rather than being ousted.

I believe ShintaiDK has already debunked this story about no Intel 14nm products till 2015.

Let s say that Intel has been way more diplomatic since
Otelini reign wasnt catastrophic at all.

As for Shintaidk accuracy that you re praising , well , just read above....

That is a Desktop roadmap, not a general one- the reason 14nm is so late on there is because Broadwell is not coming to desktop, so it only shows up with Skylake.

The DT and mobile SKUs are the same , they forcibly both
be released at about the same time in a three month window.

 

[itsmydamnation]

If kaveri is launched in 2013, it will be a paper launch.

This is a photo of a die not a computer schematic. if this is a steamroller die shot then they are sharing it, they have also stated that steamroller will be in developef hands shortly. Putting those together you would have to assume that they are very close to the start of production if they haven't started already. start of production in May launch in November is pretty realistic.

 

[ShintaiDK]

There s no VRMs in Haswell , that s one very rare point
where Phynaz got it right , only the control and command
circuits are in HW die , just look at the MBs , we can clearly
see the VRMs around the CPU socket.

No...

 

[NTMBK]

Incorrect.

So point out where the 14nm Broadwell is on that roadmap.

 

[NTMBK]

I think the jury is out for that but I agree more data & some hard facts are needed to establish whether the said claims are true or not. Anyways the higher TDP number is there for a given reason, be it the IGP or the CPU itself the fact is that Haswell may well be more efficient than IVB but I do expect it to run hotter only marginally though.

You only expect Haswell to hit its TDP when being fully utilised- i.e. when using full width AVX2 with gather instructions. In these cases you would also expect the performance increase over Ivy Bridge to be very substantial.

 

[SiliconWars]

We're almost in June and there has be no indication of any 14nm demonstration from Intel so it's a little bit later than normal. I don't doubt it's coming but it'll be for Atom first at the end of 2014.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So point out where the 14nm Broadwell is on that roadmap.

Desktop roadmap+Haswell refresh=?

Its you who make wierd claims about Broadwell not coming to the desktop. Yet the desktop chip is exactly the same as the mobile chip. And there is simply no economic reason not to put it in the desktop. There is actually everything against not putting it in the desktop.

 

[NTMBK]

Desktop roadmap+Haswell refresh=?

Its you who make wierd claims about Broadwell not coming to the desktop. Yet the desktop chip is exactly the same as the mobile chip. And there is simply no economic reason not to put it in the desktop. There is actually everything against not putting it in the desktop.

Desktop Roadmap + Haswell Refresh Platform + 22nm != Broadwell

The "Refresh Platform" probably refers to the new chipsets with SATA Express, etc which we know are coming.

That roadmap clearly shows 14nm only coming in with Skylake for the desktop.

It makes sense that they will continue to utilise their 22nm fabs for desktop parts, which don't really care that much about TDP drops and IGP improvements (which is all Broadwell is likely to bring), while using their new 14nm fabs for mobile parts (both Broadwell laptop parts and 14nm Atom).