Yes it can. BF4 can run even on the 8800GT. DX11 API can target both DX10/10.1 and DX11 hardware.
If Mantle can make a R9 290x and Core 2 Quad or Phenom II X4 run BF4 without bottlenecking, I'll be sold.
A 4870 can't run Battlefield 4 because it can't run Direct X 11.
Why are so many pushing Mantle as the best thing since 3d? Its a bunch of hype made to try to sell GCN hardware. We have no real data just a bunch of hot air. Can we not reserve our extremely strong convictions until there is at least something on the market to go on?
I don't know what these developers pushing it are thinking...
Yes it can. BF4 can run even on the 8800GT. DX11 API can target both DX10/10.1 and DX11 hardware.
Where have you read this? Cite a couple of examples.That nvidia and intel are completely doomed.
Whats it to me? I have been reading that mantle is the best thing ever without an ounce of proof. That nvidia and intel are completely doomed. Call me a realist i guess cause i believe that some bold claims would need at least something to back it up. I have outlned my case and no one adressed it n a proper manner. You cant say just say mantle will work for everything as it is a down to the metal api aimed at very specific hw. Once you start adding more compadibility it will not be so close to the metal anymore.
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Its a very short term project to try to gain a leg up on their compeditors. Once gcn is gone, so is mantle
I have outlned my case and no one adressed it n a proper manner.
They always said 8 weeks. It's been 5 weeks. It's coming, soon.Anyway, i keep hearing that Mantle is so easy to code for but where is the BF4 mantle version?
The market shifted towards DX because the time suited it, and Microsoft carried a huge amount of weight and really cared about desktop back then. The issues that plague games today didn't exist nearly so much then.There are some big issues i see with mantle that no one wants to address, Of course there are more efficient ways to render but you have to ask yourself why the market shifted towards Direct X in the first place. Simple, compatibility. Mantle does not solve this major hurdle. Its a huge deal.
The problem you're having here is that it's not actually about *you*. It's about what the game devs want. They all want Mantle instead of DX. DX, GL and everything else would already be dead if Mantle was multi vendor - that's how much more advanced it is.You can buy games today on PC that run on a 9800gtx or an HD4870. You can buy a game 5 years old and still enjoy it on a gtx770 or 280x.
The problem is Mantle introduces more problems than it solves. It is not a solution but an attempt to get a leg up on the competition. It is a short term ploy. It segments and isolates. You cannot have a huge variation of HW with mantle. Its GCN only. What is PC gaming if it is not a huge variation of HW and configurations? This is not a solution but an attempt to push everyone to buy a console wannabe PC with AMD APUs and GCN graphic cards. Why would i want that? When I could just buy a PS4?
Already answered. AMD can easily afford to pay for Mantle compatibility for every single top-100 studio game released this year, if they had to. It's really not that much money in the grand scheme of things.When 80% of the PC market use something other than AMD graphics-When 80% of the PC market use something other than AMD CPUs, I just dont see how anyone really expects Mantle to change anything. It will get about as far as AMD can fund it. Thats about it. However many games AMD pays to be ported to Mantle will be ported. It is extra work and it will only benefit GCN cards. It will never take over, it simply cannot. It is not capable. You need something more like DX to have compatibility over a huge variation of HW.
Whats it to me? I have been reading that mantle is the best thing ever without an ounce of proof. That nvidia and intel are completely doomed. Call me a realist i guess cause i believe that some bold claims would need at least something to back it up. I have outlned my case and no one adressed it n a proper manner. You cant say just say mantle will work for everything as it is a down to the metal api aimed at very specific hw. Once you start adding more compadibility it will not be so close to the metal anymore.
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Its a very short term project to try to gain a leg up on their compeditors. Once gcn is gone, so is mantle
Crypto Mining could destroy AMD's Mantle and Gaming Entrepreneurs if the General Public can not get their hands on a R9 290/X within the released price range promised by AMD.
Whats it to me? I have been reading that mantle is the best thing ever without an ounce of proof. That nvidia and intel are completely doomed. Call me a realist i guess cause i believe that some bold claims would need at least something to back it up. I have outlned my case and no one adressed it n a proper manner. You cant say just say mantle will work for everything as it is a down to the metal api aimed at very specific hw. Once you start adding more compadibility it will not be so close to the metal anymore.
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Its a very short term project to try to gain a leg up on their compeditors. Once gcn is gone, so is mantle
Since I'm obviously the prime 'culprit' here, how about you quote one or more specific points from one of my posts and refute specific points with specific counterpoints?
Tossing off undifferentiated, unsubstantiated gloop like "That nvidia and intel are completely doomed" doesn't hack it.
True, but apparently GCN is the only architecture currently supporting the minimum Mantle feature set.Actually, Mantle is not tied specifically to GCN. It's been reported many times that all the GPU has to do is support the minimum Mantle feature set.
Whats it to me? I have been reading that mantle is the best thing ever without an ounce of proof.
True, but apparently GCN is the only architecture currently supporting the minimum Mantle feature set.
It may not be the best thing and if it was just AMD touting it may be just PR wind with empty claims but considering Repi was very vocal for years and one of the most respected developers on the planet -- carries a ton of weight to me -- coupled with more developer momentum -- holds potential and promise!