Because unlike some I'm actually paying attention to what the devs are saying, instead of making it up to suit my own agenda.
http://techreport.com/review/25683/delving-deeper-into-amd-mantle-api/3
Wow mantle is not even yet and it is not even used yet and how can u tell it is easy when it is costing 10% more to add mantle.
Asked for a ballpark cost figure, Katsman told me that, for a simple PC project like Nixxes' Thief port, adding Mantle support might amount to roughly a 10% increase in development cost. He was quick to add, however, that such an increase is a drop in the bucket compared to the total development cost of the entire game for all platforms, which might add up to something like $50 million.
Because unlike some I'm actually paying attention to what the devs are saying, instead of making it up to suit my own agenda.
http://techreport.com/review/25683/delving-deeper-into-amd-mantle-api/3
How bout nothing?
Why would Nvidia need there own API? I was just told a few pages ago that Mantel is not GCN specific at all and can run on any HW. Problem solved. No need for fear mongering. Just say whatever comes to mind. We know almost nothing of Mantle but there are hundreds who make whatever claims they feel fit and pass them off as fact.
These Developers are AMD Gaming evolved partner.What u expect them to say that AMD is paying us a lot to use Mantle on our games actual it is just shit.Of course not they will say all the do sweet talks because of they are partner.
You might want to take a look at the list of GE partners and shudder then, because there's not many who aren't.
That's a quote that is easy to misinterpret. 10% of the cost of the port is what he's talking about. So say it costs $2 million to port to PC, 10% of $2 million is only $200,000. It is not 10% of $50 million. Obviously $2 million is a shot in the dark guesstimate so it might actually be much higher or lower than $2 million. But what we know for sure from his clarification is that 10% does not mean 10% of the entire $50 million multiplatform development cost.
That's a quote that is easy to misinterpret. 10% of the cost of the port is what he's talking about. So say it costs $2 million to port to PC, 10% of $2 million is only $200,000. It is not 10% of $50 million. Obviously $2 million is a shot in the dark guesstimate so it might actually be much higher or lower than $2 million. But what we know for sure from his clarification is that 10% does not mean 10% of the entire $50 million multiplatform development cost.
Care to show me the data for that cheap notebook playing BF4 on high?
But Titan is only $1000.
Here is a demo showing running 1080p at medium (a few settings low) without mantle. Without mantle. And mantle is what makes this really interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O07YOk4nLyo
I think its perfectly fine to asume this can be done at 720/768p at high on the same machine. With mantle this could be doable in a mobile form factor as the cpu is reliewed and memory bandwith is the limiting factor anyway. Remember kaveri tops out with less tdp on the desktop size compared to richland.
I think we will see this apu eradiate all the mobile dgpu 640/650 class hardware if not 660 class already 2014. Remember an competitive intel solution needs to be quad core to do the same on the new games using mantle. Kaveri will have a huge cost advantage for the oem.
Comming from richland to kaveri + mantle in a game like bf4 is a gamechanger as amd is then no longer cpu limited. Kaveri will clearly then be heavily gpu limited.
Ofcource the lack of ddr4 probably changed the kaveri arch to have fewer shaders and probably half gpu power. But the upside to this is its a better fit to notebooks on the current 28nm gh hpp process because of tdp limitations. And its cheaper too, than what could have been twice as fast on the gpu side. Actually i think amd is more lucky than unlucke here than they think. The market is for the low end. They need 20nm for 1024 shaders anyway.
When the dust settles (and price falls - preordering prices is as always bs) after jan feb we will see tons of cheap 15 inch 720/768 machines using this apu.
The desktop specs and pricing compared to richland is here:
http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-a10-7850k-a10-7700k-preorder-prices-revealed-listing/
But the market for kaveri is on the mobile side, we will have to wait for that
Edit: bf4 without mantle on kaveri with different resolutions and settings (2133 mem)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axyHkKn_e80
Edit At 2:20 the are playing bf4 at 720 on high - without mantle
- damn they even get about 25fpus at ultra without msaa at 720. Lol. Thats your proof right there !
(I havnt seen this before and i am impressed - there must be some secret memory efficiency in the cgn 1.1 arch to achiewe this - this is crazy and then only using 2133 mem, this begs for faster memory and a solid overclock)
7-22-2011
My goodness, this was nearly two and a half years ago! This psoomah is an astounding prognosicator!!!!!
It may in fact be "playable", but performance will still be far below that of a console with a large amount of GDDR5 memory and almost twice the shaders of Kaveri, or a PC with a discrete card like the 7850 or up, which anyone who wants to play BF4 on the PC will have.
And a doughnut is about 50p, but that's also entirely irrelevant to this discussion.
Actually it was a rhetorical question. Despite your rosy AMD/APU domination scenario and predictions of mantle magic, there is not a shred of independent data showing what performance increase mantle will bring, or what the performance of Kaveri will be.
Playing BF4 on a multiplayer map with a lot of players is far different than running around alone in a corridor, which is what the demo basically is. It may in fact be "playable", but performance will still be far below that of a console with a large amount of GDDR5 memory and almost twice the shaders of Kaveri, or a PC with a discrete card like the 7850 or up, which anyone who wants to play BF4 on the PC will have.
No offense, not astounding at all and continue to read markets wrongly based on being so one sided, imho!
An opinion with validity for sure, yet, I've been following Psoomah for a long time and I've noticed he evolves when presented with new information, a quality I find greatly admirable.
Guess I'll wait and see what BF4 Mantle brings to judge whether or not he's a Pulled Straight Out Of His Asp Hat kind of guy. Or gal. Or neither.
These Developers are AMD Gaming evolved partner.U are expecting them to say that AMD is paying us a lot to use Mantle on our games actually it is just useless.Of course not they will say all the do sweet talks because they are partner.
An opinion with validity for sure, yet, I've been following Psoomah for a long time and I've noticed he evolves when presented with new information, a quality I find greatly admirable.
Guess I'll wait and see what BF4 Mantle brings to judge whether or not he's a Pulled Straight Out Of His Asp Hat kind of guy. Or gal. Or neither.
I don't understand -- you have been following yourself for a long time? Greatly admire yourself? Judge yourself? Don't know if you're a guy/gal/neither?
Yeah...
I'm not even sure what this post says, are we talking in 3rd person now? Forgot to change accounts? Are you talking about some famous person in the gaming/developer world that I don't know about?
I noticed there were no funny colors or bolded/underlined/italicized text, so maybe split personality?
It's called a joke, guys.
Yeah...
I'm not even sure what this post says, are we talking in 3rd person now? Forgot to change accounts? Are you talking about some famous person in the gaming/developer world that I don't know about?
I noticed there were no funny colors or bolded/underlined/italicized text, so maybe split personality?