January was announced after the first couple recycles. Now, they've encountered a couple more and decided to hedge their bets with a "Q1", which means most likely at the very last minute of the first quarter.
Actually the first promised released date was December 2013. January was already a delay.
The driver is coming in Q1, not the Mantle patch. L2R
The patch is useless without the driver.
Actually the first promised released date was December 2013. January was already a delay.
I doubt the driver team ever stood a chance of getting 14.1 beta released in December or January. Odds are that the dates we've been getting are coming from a bozo in Marketing who isn't even bothering to speak with the development or QA team before leaking something wildly optimistic to the public.
The patch is useless without the driver.
Arent those the same. I mean lets say bf4 is patched for mantle at the end of jan. now how could we use mantle in bf4 without the drivers. I think patch and driver are the same as people suggest and from what I ve read. The game developers include driver for mantle in the game or patch it with it. So now bf4 mantle is delayed till march I guess. Jan. was not so unrealistic imo bc when they delayed in december they did it literally the last days of december and it points out that its just not ready yet and jan. woulsnt cut it.The driver is coming in Q1, not the Mantle patch. L2R
It'll likely be handled similar to how PhysX is. If a game uses PhysX, the game will install their version of PhysX drivers, provided newer ones aren't already installed and video drivers by AMD will likely include the latest version of Mantle.Arent those the same. I mean lets say bf4 is patched for mantle at the end of jan. now how could we use mantle in bf4 without the drivers. I think patch and driver are the same as people suggest and from what I ve read. The game developers include driver for mantle in the game or patch it with it. So now bf4 mantle is delayed till march I guess. Jan. was not so unrealistic imo bc when they delayed in december they did it literally the last days of december and it points out that its just not ready yet and jan. woulsnt cut it.
Its probably that, but doesn't matter once it gone public, people set their expectations.
Think it like this way if you have been a marketing and promotion employee of amd you would be gettin a huge bonus right around christmas. AhahahWell at least AMD waited until after the holiday shopping season to announce the delay.
Yea, especially since it was hyped over and over how easy it was to program for because it was "close to the metal".
And yes, I know, it will be much easier to implement once it is incorporated into the engine, theoretically at least. But it still seems ironic that their showcase game developed one would assume with TLC from both AMD and Dice is a buggy mess in Dx and mantle is MIA.
Typically, close to the metal means it is much harder to code for. What it does do, is give far more control to the dev's. This means they can do things currently not possible, and it may be easier to fine tune, in the sense that they have more control.Yea, especially since it was hyped over and over how easy it was to program for because it was "close to the metal".
And yes, I know, it will be much easier to implement once it is incorporated into the engine, theoretically at least. But it still seems ironic that their showcase game developed one would assume with TLC from both AMD and Dice is a buggy mess in Dx and mantle is MIA.
the new Star Control game
Here's Game Informer's interview with Adam Beissinger (Stardock)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...k-gives-us-a-peak-at-stunning-new-engine.aspx
And here is the link again to Tekzilla's interview with Dan Baker of Oxide (someone posted it a couple of pages back).
https://revision3.com/tekzillabites/amd-mantle-demo
Sharing the link again, so y'all can use it to reference the time frames I'm talking about below.
At aroound 0:30, Dan says that AMD's claims r.e. Mantle performance have "been not only proven, but in fact conservative for what we've seen and tested".
At around 2:20, he talks about the Nitrous engine already being highly optimized for D3D, and that they were already quite proud of the performance they eeked out of D3D (Nitrous is highly D3D optimized), but that the 'when he first hit the switch, he was amazed with how fast Mantle was out of the box', even before any serious optimizations.'
At 1:40 (a little earlier in the interview) he talks about having to back off of some fidelity/workload with DirectX, not because the graphics card couldn't keep up, but because of the DX driver CPU cost.
So, at least on the Oxide end, it would appear that Dan is quite happy working with Mantle. The Tekzilla guys managed to get some pretty good ingame footage in their interview. What impresses me the most about the demo is that each of the 7000 ships has it's own AI, and it's own Physics, being run in the background.
This makes me think that "Massive" style battles a la Lord Of The Rings, are now very much within our reach on the PC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MASSIVE_%28software%29
One other note, I found title #20 that AMD referred to in their slide. Oxide currently has at least THREE titles planned with Mantle support, not just two. Oxide disclosed that another unnamed title, along with the 'Mars' game from Mohawk Games, and the new Star Control game, were being developed using Nitrous. See the Game Informer link above for the discussion about this.
Christ i think youve made your point dude,if i hear you mention PR aagin my head will explode scanners style.
Must resist...must resist...
Someone has to be a voice of reason...I mean there are posters talking about thoundsands of percent of increased performance over DirectX...due to the [REDACTED] pushing, but actual products failing.
But I am glad (some) people have learned the difference between [REDACTED] and products now :thumbsup:
Used [REDACTED] so your head wouldn't explode ^^