He didn't say anything about Mantle on consoles. He said GCN on consoles.
Except it does not mean more momentum behind consoles. Until we see AMD (and thus Sony/MS) talking about Mantle on consoles, it's little more than a pipe dream and speculation.
And if we're going to speculate...I highly doubt MS is going to allow Mantle on its own console.
Except it does not mean more momentum behind consoles. Until we see AMD (and thus Sony/MS) talking about Mantle on consoles, it's little more than a pipe dream and speculation.
And if we're going to speculate...I highly doubt MS is going to allow Mantle on its own console.
Yes it is, completely distorting reality while pretending we all run around suffering 15 fps in games with the fastest video card on the planet.
Yeah that argument makes no sense. The point is that, for the vast majority of people today, FPS drops in the mid-to-high 30's to high 50's range (starting from 60fps or above) will cause gameplay to be less than smooth (for reasons mentioned earlier). Using IQ settings with an average framerate of 20-30fps is crazy because the framerate will by definition drop well below that.
Kaveri+290x is proven by the slides. Nice try bashing mantle with random quotes all over the place. And thanks for showing pcper is either biased or plain stupid so never gonna use it for a reference now.Quote from Ryan at pcper.com as part of podcast #283 (about 37:30)
"up to 45% faster BF4 with Mantle"
"That is on an APU not a discrete GPU"
" I think a high end discrete GPU with a high end CPU will be much lower"
Interesting since he has seen more than we have in the secret presentations.
We've already ascertained that the 45% increase was with Kaveri and a 290X.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35954563&postcount=4612
edit - and it wasn't a peak of 45% either like some were suggesting. That might well be the best showing for Mantle in BF4, ie the scene that shows the highest gains (hence the "up to 45%") - but it'll be an average of 45% faster (55/38) over the entire scene and not some one-off peak.
SW - Like most of us here I'm very curious about mantle and it's potential impact, but where are you coming up with your numbers. I saw the same pr release that everyone did, saying upto 45% gain. But now you are saying that the 45% will be the average gain. Are you just hoping, or do you know something the rest of us don't?
What I'm saying is that if *-**** allows Nvidia users to increase IQ up to 40 fps like Blackened suggested it would, then the dips will just end up even worse.
You just don't get it do you. To have truly smooth gameplay on most systems today (meaning minimal stuttering/tearing/lag) will require a framerate that is >=60fps at all times. That does not mean an avg. framerate of 60fps! An avg framerate of 60fps by definition means that framerate goes above and below that point. So the point is that, instead of requiring an avg. fps of say 80fps (with dips in the 60-80fps region) to have truly smooth gameplay (as defined above), one can turn up IQ settings to have an avg. fps of say 60fps (with dips in the 40-60fps region) while still maintaining smooth gameplay.
Ugh no, this is contrary to what every FPS gamer knows by heart, you do NOT want dips that low when you're busy getting killed or trying to kill. A lot of online gamers will sacrifice IQ to maintain consistent >60fps in all combat situations. The last thing you want is going from 60 to 30 or 40 and you're in a firefight.
@ SiliconWars: you still don't get it. Any dip in the 30-60 fps range will result in smoother gameplay vs. not having the tech. And if framerate drops below 30fps, the gameplay will never be smooth one way or another.
The point would be that Mantle enabled games are more likely to be running constantly above 60 fps than the other solution due to 1) Much higher base performance and 2) Far less issues with stalling that DX suffers from, meaning no horrible dips in to the 20-30fps range or lower.You must be smoking something hallucinogenic to suggest that Mantle will magically cause fps to dip no lower than 60fps. As long as fps drops below 60fps, Mantle cannot resolve issues related to tearing/stuttering/lag that are fundamental to the monitor tech.
Exactly, which is why this whole point about increasing IQ is nonsense. The higher the IQ the more likely the dips will be worse.
No it is not nonsense. Instead of dipping to 60fps min, one can dip close to 30fps min with minimal stuttering/lag/tearing. That means higher IQ period.
And with Mantle you just won't dip to 30 fps because these dips are mostly DX related.
SW - Like most of us here I'm very curious about mantle and it's potential impact, but where are you coming up with your numbers. I saw the same pr release that everyone did, saying upto 45% gain. But now you are saying that the 45% will be the average gain. Are you just hoping, or do you know something the rest of us don't?
And with Mantle you just won't dip to 30 fps because these dips are mostly DX related.
Hey now, let's not get ahead of ourselves. We don't know that.