The AMD Mantle Thread

[sushiwarrior]

Kaveri had the IPC improvements, they reduced clocks however and saved a ton of power by doing that... That 30% claim is clearly ops per cycle which is not applicable to real world performance, only heavily threaded tasks.

But back on track, Mantle isn't going to be a high end story anyways. High end performance is quite GPU limited, Mantle helps but only on the order of 10-15%. What does change, however, is what type of CPU you need to get to that point. Budget gamers could buy a low end i3 or FX-6300 or whatever the good budget CPU's are and get performance pretty much equal to an i5 or i7 at high resolutions and settings. Take that extra $100 from the CPU and put it into a better graphics card.

 

[McLovin42]

Yeah it was also proven that those improvement #'s were bunk too..........Mantle ='s broken vaporware for a broken Alpha game.

Warning issued for trolling.
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Stahlhart: Do you understand the definition of the word trolling? Giving an opinion based on a decades worth of experience dealing with both companies does not constitute trolling.

I think its time for you to read the forum rules because you are breaking them continuously. Moderator Callouts will not be tolerated.

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[VulgarDisplay]

Stahlhart: Do you understand the definition of the word trolling? Giving an opinion based on a decades worth of experience dealing with both companies does not constitute trolling.

Do you understand a mod call out?

 

[chimaxi83]

Do you understand a mod call out?

I don't think alt accounts really care much /shrug

 

[Paul98]

Mantle for BF4, and Oxide swarm need to come out next week so we can slow down a lot of the speculation.

But I am sort of expecting it to be delayed for another month.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Then you watch a video like this and you really are not that impressed anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRTmVr4pU8Y

You're comparing a benchmark with that?

You do realize the hardware required to run a fight like that is insane and its still laggy as hell? Whenever there's a fight like that CCP has to slow down time so it doesn't break the game and even then its still pretty bad. There's always people stuck in Grid tunnels and already died before they even spawned. And the framerate can get extremely bad.

In ten years I'd imagine we'll see 10k ship fights, but the clients need to be synced better too.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Check out @AMDGaming's Tweet: https://twitter.com/AMDGaming/status/424982051507298304

Something happening tonight? Saw this on twitter today.

 

[3DVagabond]

Check out @AMDGaming's Tweet: https://twitter.com/AMDGaming/status/424982051507298304

Something happening tonight? Saw this on twitter today.

Thanks for the heads up. It would be nice if Warsam71 (I assume he's Samshaw71? apologies if wrong) came by and posted this info.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I think he saw what a cesspool this place has become and stopped posting here.

Infraction issued for thread crapping.
-- stahlhart

 

[3DVagabond]

I think he saw what a cesspool this place has become and stopped posting here.

He doesn't have to like us.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

He doesn't have to like us.

AMD probably has some HR rules about being harassed at work.

I really hope that its mantle news coming tonight. I would think more people would be tweeting about it. Its currently only @AMDGaming that has said anything.

 

[SolMiester]

IIRC, Warsam71 didnt comply with forums rules when posting here.

 

[Enigmoid]

You're comparing a benchmark with that?

You do realize the hardware required to run a fight like that is insane and its still laggy as hell? Whenever there's a fight like that CCP has to slow down time so it doesn't break the game and even then its still pretty bad. There's always people stuck in Grid tunnels and already died before they even spawned. And the framerate can get extremely bad.

In ten years I'd imagine we'll see 10k ship fights, but the clients need to be synced better too.

"Time Dilation" occurs because the servers cannot handle the load. I'd also imagine a lot of the lagging is because the server is not even close to being able to handle the job. (I'm not sure but I believe that eve is also not threaded that well).

That is also significantly more complicated than the mantle demo and in the mantle demo it was specifically stated that (paraphrased) "syncing the clients would be extremely difficult to do for multiplayer".

 

[3DVagabond]

IIRC, Warsam71 didnt comply with forums rules when posting here.

Really? How was that?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Check out @AMDGaming's Tweet: https://twitter.com/AMDGaming/status/424982051507298304

Something happening tonight? Saw this on twitter today.

what the heck is this...

So far it's just random dudes talking about how nothing is working. Looks like the Sam from these forums may be he guy in the stream?

I would say save your time. This stream is nothing worth watching.

Sam just said that 7850K is a mid to high end gaming combination...

 

[jj109]

"Time Dilation" occurs because the servers cannot handle the load. I'd also imagine a lot of the lagging is because the server is not even close to being able to handle the job. (I'm not sure but I believe that eve is also not threaded that well).

Yup single threaded server simulation and largely single threaded client. Time dilation just made everything even more awful. At least the node just crashed before TiDi. Now in TiDi, the players get to sit through 10 hour snooze fests. They recently moved the client to DX11 so client graphics performance should improve a bit, but large scale fights are still unplayable due to server performance.

 

[krumme]

"Time Dilation" occurs because the servers cannot handle the load. I'd also imagine a lot of the lagging is because the server is not even close to being able to handle the job. (I'm not sure but I believe that eve is also not threaded that well).

That is also significantly more complicated than the mantle demo and in the mantle demo it was specifically stated that (paraphrased) "syncing the clients would be extremely difficult to do for multiplayer".

Wrong interpretation imho.

They said that for a "naive multiplayer implementation" !
For what "we could all agree"

Everyone and his brother watching this demo thought multiplayer. And ofcource there is a solution. A non naive. The engine is stellar tech on both dx and mantle regarding the threadding perspective. Their multiplayer solution is comming. As they said as i recall it they "couldnt get into it now".

 

[tonyfreak215]

The oxide demo is not going to run nearly so smoothly once they add in proper AI and animations. There is no pitch and yaw on the ships. There may be 1000's of units but they really aren't doing anything.

The "demo" isn't a traditional demo. It is two computer opponents playing against each other. It replicates true gameplay.

 

[krumme]

The "demo" isn't a traditional demo. It is two computer opponents playing against each other. It replicates true gameplay.

Well yes. And we have already 3 games using the engine. For both dx and mantle this looks like a giant leap forward. The damn thing we have to wait a year+ for the games
The last bunch of rts i bought i played for 30 min. Sad. We need something that kicks butt now. But we will have to be patient.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/20/thief-pc-specs-slip-out/?ncid=rss_truncated

http://store.steampowered.com/app/239160/

Thief specs listed. Mantle is funny enough missing. Both DX10 and 11 supported.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/20/thief-pc-specs-slip-out/?ncid=rss_truncated

http://store.steampowered.com/app/239160/

Thief specs listed. Mantle is funny enough missing. Both DX10 and 11 supported.

Must mean they canceled mantle. Mantle cancellation confirmed.

 

[Paul98]

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/20/thief-pc-specs-slip-out/?ncid=rss_truncated

http://store.steampowered.com/app/239160/

Thief specs listed. Mantle is funny enough missing. Both DX10 and 11 supported.

You really can't help yourself can you

http://community.eidosmontreal.com/blogs/Thief-PC-Requirements?theme=thief


"We've partnered up with AMD to leverage the advanced capabilities of Radeon graphics processors, including AMD's Eyefinity multi-display technology, TrueAudio, Mantle API, and state-of-the-art DirectX 11 rendering for the best image quality on PC. If that's given you an urge to upgrade your rig, be sure to check out AMD's Never Settle Forever offer. You could get Thief for free with the purchase of a brand new graphics card!"

 

[smackababy]

"We've partnered up with AMD to leverage the advanced capabilities of Radeon graphics processors, including AMD's Eyefinity multi-display technology, TrueAudio, Mantle API, and state-of-the-art DirectX 11 rendering for the best image quality on PC. If that's given you an urge to upgrade your rig, be sure to check out AMD's Never Settle Forever offer. You could get Thief for free with the purchase of a brand new graphics card!"

Unless you buy their newest graphics cards, because with those, you get nothing!

 

[ultimatebob]

Must mean they canceled mantle. Mantle cancellation confirmed.

Heh. I hope that you're kidding. If the game publisher is smart, they are waiting to see if Mantle's performance benefits are actually worth the development effort before advertising the hell out of it.

I only wish that AMD's marketing department took the same tact. I personally don't want to see another tweet, press release, or slide deck from them related to Mantle until they actually have the drivers ready for end users to download. I think that most people would agree with this.

You know what? I'll go one better... I think that the Mods should lock this thread until Mantle is released. It would certainly cut down on the trolling and rampant speculation.

 

[n0x1ous]

I only wish that AMD's marketing department took the same tact. I personally don't want to see another tweet, press release, or slide deck from them related to Mantle until they actually have the drivers ready for end users to download. I think that most people would agree with this.
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+1 - So tired of the slides etc etc....its time to show us what you got AMD and co.