A 20% increase is a huge amount if it allows their upcoming APU's to max games at 1080p and keep over 30fps.
That is where the money is going to be at. Selling a metric crap ton of APU's for around $150-350 (no idea on prices yet just guessing) that allow many new PC gamers to get into the game. With game development in it's current state (held back by consoles) those with high end GPU's aren't going to notice as much benefit from mantle. Who this is really going to benefit is the low end consumers.
If it works well it is going to majorly hurt Intel and Nvidia both by eating up all their low-mid range sales. Why would you buy a $200 intel CPU and $200 nvidia GPU when you can spend around $200 bucks for the same gaming performance in one chip. If the upcoming APU's are even decent I'll be getting one just to play with it and have an HTPC on the cheap.
A 20% increase is a huge amount if it allows their upcoming APU's to max games at 1080p and keep over 30fps.
That is where the money is going to be at. Selling a metric crap ton of APU's for around $150-350 (no idea on prices yet just guessing) that allow many new PC gamers to get into the game. With game development in it's current state (held back by consoles) those with high end GPU's aren't going to notice as much benefit from mantle. Who this is really going to benefit is the low end consumers.
If it works well it is going to majorly hurt Intel and Nvidia both by eating up all their low-mid range sales. Why would you buy a $200 intel CPU and $200 nvidia GPU when you can spend around $200 bucks for the same gaming performance in one chip. If the upcoming APU's are even decent I'll be getting one just to play with it and have an HTPC on the cheap.
See my response to Krumme (are you german , btw?) and Minkoff,
the perfs must be significantly higher to be clearly visible objectively
and for this 20% wont yield a cut and dry improvement that wont
be discutable , dont forget that they are firmly awaited after all
the claims they made.
See my response to Krumme (are you german , btw?) and Minkoff,
the perfs must be significantly higher to be clearly visible objectively
and for this 20% wont yield a cut and dry improvement that wont
be discutable , dont forget that they are firmly awaited after all
the claims they made.
In the same time I am not sure that the claims were brought to us by AMD or partners, but is rather something....how to say...something that people trough discussions start to.... Well we got carried away Nonetheless, the idea is clear....we'll see how it goes...
Btw, you say 35-40%, which reminds me of the power of software optimization, since four core Phenom II scales almost as well as the high end CPUs in Battlefield 4. How's that for a future proof You get the idea.
I dont know if i am 1/16 or 1/64 german . Lol. But not 100%. Of that i am certain. Like predicting mantle performance.
Remember the goals of mantle
More ports
Quality port
Speed
I dont know. But from my personal perspective its the quality of the porting that becomes most important. And that goes both ways between consoles and pc.
Look at bf4 at ps4. Its a blast! Go compare it to the prior cod on ps3. Its worlds apart. And the ps4 gets it from day one. Not the usual waiting 1-2 years before something gappens. Thats absolutely super. And ofcource thats whats matters most on the market. And we get first mantle for bf4 dec. Man thats fast imho.
For an investment ttm is so important for roi. The mantle situation is so good at that. Its moving cash forward to you, and thereby reducing risk and making the investment assessment less complicated and more robust. I want mantle as a tool too. Lol.
Agree on the principle for both posts above , anyway the proof
is in the pudding and we ll be fixed in a few days but what is sure
is that numbers in the 35-40% range would be a minimum as far
as the audience expectations are a concern , whatever the way
it is distributed between fps and image quality.
I believe you can further split the "speed"
- speed of porting and speed in terms of frame rate
A 20% increase is a huge amount if it allows their upcoming APU's to max games at 1080p and keep over 30fps.
That is where the money is going to be at. Selling a metric crap ton of APU's for around $150-350 (no idea on prices yet just guessing) that allow many new PC gamers to get into the game. With game development in it's current state (held back by consoles) those with high end GPU's aren't going to notice as much benefit from mantle. Who this is really going to benefit is the low end consumers.
If it works well it is going to majorly hurt Intel and Nvidia both by eating up all their low-mid range sales. Why would you buy a $200 intel CPU and $200 nvidia GPU when you can spend around $200 bucks for the same gaming performance in one chip. If the upcoming APU's are even decent I'll be getting one just to play with it and have an HTPC on the cheap.
It will have to be much more than a 20% improvement to play future games at max settings at 1080p. Current APUs cannot play some games like Metro Last Light at 30fps, 1080p on even low to mid settings. Every new generation of APUs has been promoted as the one that will finally make gaming practical on an apu, but so far it hasn't happened. Maybe Kaveri will change that, but we have to wait and see. Problem is games are becoming more demanding, and hopefully the 20nm shrink for gpus will bring a nice performance boost to low end gpus. As for mantle, nobody knows what the performance boost will be, plus the added benefit is supposed to be to lower the cpu demands. Most APUs are bandwidth and gpu limited, so I dont know how much mantle will affect those.
It's called APU14 because they are going to be showing off new stuff. If it was APU12 in Nov 13 then maybe what your saying would make sense. If they release an APU with GDDR5 bandwidth is fixed and the APU's get a massive performance increase without mantle right there.
what is nvidias response to mantle?
what is nvidias response to mantle?
how do u now that they dont have nothing to counter.If that is ur point of view plz write that it is ur point of view and plz dont mislead other user if u dont now any thing.FUD.
Mantle being possible based on AMD's next gen console wins, Nvidia has nothing to counter Mantle.
Nvidia's big event of the year was Montreal. Whatever they have would have been revealed then.
Gsync - Thracks said at the TH 'ask me anything' session AMD was working on an answer to Gsync. Chances are it will involve an open specification. Nvidia won't win that battle.
Shadowplay - already answered by AMD's raptor.
Gamestream - AMD is undoubtedly working on a streaming solution, required for a functional Steam Machine.
FUD's pretty much it.
FUD.
Mantle being possible based on AMD's next gen console wins, Nvidia has nothing to counter Mantle.
Nvidia's big event of the year was Montreal. Whatever they have would have been revealed then.
Gsync - Thracks said at the TH 'ask me anything' session AMD was working on an answer to Gsync. Chances are it will involve an open specification. Nvidia won't win that battle.
Shadowplay - already answered by AMD's raptor.
Gamestream - AMD is undoubtedly working on a streaming solution, required for a functional Steam Machine.
FUD's pretty much it.
Aren't there rumors out that say their next gen GPU's will have ARM CPU's on them?
I wonder what that could do to alleviate draw call issues?
I told u post only thing that u now.Till Maxwell come out only one game will support Mantle and we dont how much performance will be improved and Maxwell is due to Q1 2014 .That is a rumor, and a likely one.
By the time Maxwell releases though Mantle will be ubiquitous and AMD will have the next gen Excavator APUs and GCN 3.0 GPUs ready to go.
|We have yet to see any evidence that Nvidia needs to counter at all. And that's the truth at large.
I told u post only thing that u now.Till Maxwell come out only one game will support Mantle and we dont how much performance will be improved and Maxwell is due to Q1 2014 .