In certain cases, yes, I would agree, but this isn't the case. No developer knows exactly how well a game will sell until the game actually launches. You can estimate it, but you will never be able to put a hard number on it until the game starts to sell (or doesn't sell, for that matter).
Mantle is different because you can quantify the performance benefits Mantle will provide with hard numbers. This isn't a guessing game for them. AMD and developers already have an idea of what this number is; we don't.
They can guess how much of a difference it will make, but they won't know until they have it up and running. They can guess 'it can give up to X% improvement, but until they start testing they won't know for sure.
This to me isn't much different then 'we can sell up to X hundred thousand of this game'.
We are currently implementing Mantle inside of Unreal Engine 3 and will share some of our experiences.
It's not a bet, they already know what kind of improvements Mantle makes possible. Nobody is adding Mantle to their game engines on a whim or a promise. Nobody is using words like dramatic, ridicule or vastly to describe sub 10% increases.
Spidre, we are disagreeing here because you don't think that they already have it up and running while it is my contention that they in fact do. APU13 is already in full effect and the December BF4 Mantle update is not that far away; do you think they would make a presentation about Mantle tomorrow and say, "Oh, we didn't actually test Mantle using a gaming setup. However, according to our math, Mantle provides up to X% improvement... buuuuuuut, we didn't test it to find out. P.S. Please believe in us. Mantle will rock your socks"?
I'm not watching APU13, I'm stuck at work right now. I'm not sure what they have said there or not. Have they said any concrete numbers yet?
And they hopefully have tested it by now. I was referring back to when they first announced mantle, at which point they probably had no testing or figures done. They would still hype it up (because that's what companies do).
Looks like whole industry starts to pick up on mantle.
BTW. Why this got unsticked day before AMD Mantle summit (APU13)?
BF4 Mantle ed. will be shown by Johan Andersson, technical director, DICE 13 nov 2013 at 13:15-14:15 local time.No worries, I don't have access to APU13 so I'm in the same boat as you. I'm not sure when actual performance figures get posted, but I wouldn't be surprised if Anand himself is at APU13 so I am more-or-less expecting an article to get posted sometime shortly.
I'm guessing there will be a new thread for APU13 specifically?
Looks like whole industry starts to pick up on mantle.
BTW. Why this got unsticked day before AMD Mantle summit (APU13)?
I'm not watching APU13, I'm stuck at work right now. I'm not sure what they have said there or not. Have they said any concrete numbers yet?
And they hopefully have tested it by now. I was referring back to when they first announced mantle, at which point they probably had no testing or figures done. They would still hype it up (because that's what companies do).
They probably keep the best for last anyway; Wednesday, November 13th 1:15 pm to 1:45 pm. Keynote, Johan Andersson, Technical Director, Electronic Arts.
The HSA stuff is more interesting to me actually, we already know GCN is going to ridicule Titan w/ Mantle, they told us this a while ago.
Heh, for the interest of fun, any one want to start posting up their estimates for what Johan will state as the % boost provided with Mantle? I'm talking about an actual number here, not a range. Treat this like guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar. ^_^
Note: For the sake of keeping things civil, let's just keep things light, so please don't ask people to defend their estimate and don't feel the need to defend yours. I'd rather just see a wall of numbers and we can all look back on it after Johan's presentation is made.
I think they will say somewhere in the range of 20-30%.
I think in actuality, it will be very hardware specific. Things like low end gpu + amd processor would give bigger gains then a high end gpu with an intel processor.
Heh, for the interest of fun, any one want to start posting up their estimates for what Johan will state as the % boost provided with Mantle? I'm talking about an actual number here, not a range. Treat this like guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar. ^_^
Note: For the sake of keeping things civil, let's just keep things light, so please don't ask people to defend their estimate. I'd rather just see a wall of numbers and we can all look back on it after Johan's presentation is made.
Heh, for the interest of fun, any one want to start posting up their estimates for what Johan will state as the % boost provided with Mantle? I'm talking about an actual number here, not a range. Treat this like guessing the number of jelly beans in a jar. ^_^
Note: For the sake of keeping things civil, let's just keep things light, so please don't ask people to defend their estimate and don't feel the need to defend yours. I'd rather just see a wall of numbers and we can all look back on it after Johan's presentation is made.
It's not a bet, they already know what kind of improvements Mantle makes possible. Nobody is adding Mantle to their game engines on a whim or a promise. Nobody is using words like dramatic, ridicule or vastly to describe sub 10% increases.
50% with Highend setups.