The AMD Mantle Thread

[3DVagabond]

Does anyone know what time APU13 starts? Is there a live stream going on?

Yes I'm too lazy to use google.

It's not a public stream. You would have to have subscribed for it. I'm not sure if it was free or not. It's apparently targeted more at pros in the industry.

 

[krumme]

I dont care if its 5 or 20%
Frostbite 3, unreal 3, lots of others. Hell even pc only SC for God sake. All that matters.
Ryan was right about "THE API"
As it looks end next year on the new games far more will run a mantle path than dx.
How about that.
Mantle is then the out of box default
Developers take the ms and nv tax.

 

[3DVagabond]

I dont care if its 5 or 20%
Frostbite 3, unreal 3, lots of others. Hell even pc only SC for God sake. All that matters.
Ryan was right about "THE API"
As it looks end next year on the new games far more will run a mantle path than dx.
How about that.
Mantle is then the out of box default
Developers take the ms and nv tax.

You won't see anyone dropping DX support. M$ would buy AMD before they let that happen. Besides, There's too many non GCN systems out there that run DX for anyone to consider not using it.

 

[Silverforce11]

From what I understand, there's no need to conflict with DX since Mantle is designed so that its compatible with DX IF there's no GCN hardware, it will default to the DX render pathway, obviously without the close-to-the-metal advantages..

Its like the old days, you could select ingame to run on Direct3D or OpenGL if the hardware supports it. Unlike OpenGL which lost traction on the PC, Mantle will have the console masses to entice game developers to keep on using it, extracting all the hardware has to give.

 

[monstercameron]

You won't see anyone dropping DX support. M$ would buy AMD before they let that happen. Besides, There's too many non GCN systems out there that run DX for anyone to consider not using it.

oh you are too bad

 

[selni]

I dont care if its 5 or 20%
Frostbite 3, unreal 3, lots of others. Hell even pc only SC for God sake. All that matters.
Ryan was right about "THE API"
As it looks end next year on the new games far more will run a mantle path than dx.
How about that.
Mantle is then the out of box default
Developers take the ms and nv tax.

Given that a mantle only game wouldn't work on even the majority of *AMD* cards (source is the steam hardware survey, GCN cards look to be about 1/3 of AMD's discrete there), that seems unlikely doesn't it?

 

[krumme]

Given that a mantle only game wouldn't work on even the majority of *AMD* cards (source is the steam hardware survey, GCN cards look to be about 1/3 of AMD's discrete there), that seems unlikely doesn't it?

No mantle uses classes/layers of dx as i understand it.
But its mantle where it matters for perf.
Notice i wrote the new games. Thats 2014 onwards games.
If you want to discuss dx9 and dx10 performance in old games go to the 780ti thread there is a link to apoppin testing an oc 780ti where 80% is dx10 dx9 and synthetic.
If you want result for 50db go to anandtech. Lol.

Mantle and the 290 series surely makes things very difficult

Ohh fragmentation, and all the noise. Lets pretend uber switch is not there. Lets not even mention we run at low fan speed. I am so conserned about the future. Lol.

 

[krumme]

You won't see anyone dropping DX support. M$ would buy AMD before they let that happen. Besides, There's too many non GCN systems out there that run DX for anyone to consider not using it.

Hehe. If that happens it will make a financially stronger amd for sure but its also a safe recipy to remove all the "super excited" from the ppt. Lol.

 

[desprado]

What?



Link where I said xbox will use Mantle. Mantle is not using Dx. Where are you getting this stuff from? Do yourself and everybody else a favour and stop reading it.

Do even now that mantle will use all DX features.It do not create its own features.

For example
Tessellation

HABO


DX 11 advanced texture these are exclusive features.

 

[desprado]

So you're basically saying you don't have a clue, wait for their explanations.. but all this time, you and your ilk have been here bashing Mantle endlessly.

That about right?

It needs to be said again and again because CLEARLY, some of you don't get it: We have no evidence to support the case that Mantle will fail. In fact, we have plenty of evidence against that notion, with so many developers going with it and major game engines incorporating it.

Plz dont misguide in terms of many.There only 4 developers which make it several and Activison only said they will support they did not join yet also crytek and when they do than we discuss so u just post officially dev which are supporting it.yet we dont now how much performance gain will be or what will be condition to use mantle so stop posting useless prediction.

 

[AtenRa]

I dont know if this has been posted before here,

Nixxes Implementing Mantle Inside Unreal Engine 3 for Thief PC Release

We are currently implementing Mantle inside of Unreal Engine 3 and will share some of our experiences.

We will also cover additional AMD technologies we are supporting in Thief, like AMD TrueAudio, 4K Gaming, as well how are exploiting the power of the compute hardware in the GCN architecture. While we will primarily talk about our high-level view on these technologies and why we are excited about them, we will also share some helpful implementation tips from our programmers.

 

[Erenhardt]

I dont know if this has been posted before here,

Nixxes Implementing Mantle Inside Unreal Engine 3 for Thief PC Release

I believe it was.
I loved previous thief games. I think that TrueAudio will benefit the franchise greatly. Previous games were not considered heavily optimized, supporting mantle will be a welcome change! Can't wait.

 

[desprado]

Does anyone know what time APU13 starts? Is there a live stream going on?

Yes I'm too lazy to use google.

as far as i now there no live stream for AMD APU13

 

[Janooo]

Updated:

Assuming we will get results in the form of a bar chart across various games, we have the following estimates guesstimates for what Johan specifically will show us as the average improvement using whatever bench and settings he has:

0 - 4.99%: 0
5 - 9.99%: 0
10 - 14.99%: 0
15 - 19.99%: 0
20 - 24.99%: 3
25 - 29.99%: 0
30 - 34.99%: 3
35 - 39.99%: 1
40 - 44.99%: 0
45 - 49.99%: 0
50 - 54.99%: 2

Just to make you work harder (inserting new line) I'll go with 60%.

 

[krumme]

Stop those furmark assessments guys ! i take 10-15% average for i5 cpu and 7850 gpu class.

 

[krumme]

Take a look at Ryans new kaveri write up:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7507/amd-kaveri-apu-launch-details-desktop-january-14th

Aparently several true audio titles comming.

It can only support what i have wrote prior. The DSP for sound is more og less the same for the consoles as for the new gcn gpu.

Thats just the greatest news of today. It means better sound is comming ! yeaaa

Mantle = truesound hehe

 

[Erenhardt]

Consoles have TrueAudio? Looks like there is going be pretty high adoption rate. Once again consoles bring a lot of good to PC

 

[psoomah]

Given that a mantle only game wouldn't work on even the majority of *AMD* cards (source is the steam hardware survey, GCN cards look to be about 1/3 of AMD's discrete there), that seems unlikely doesn't it?

Mantle is immediately and specifically targeting gamers looking to upgrade their present AIBs to prepare for next gen gaming demands.

 

[psoomah]

A socketed Kaveri 8GB GDDR5 mini motherboard with a 16x PCI3 slot would make for a to die for dual boot Windows/Steam OS Steam Machine.

 

[Spjut]

Given that a mantle only game wouldn't work on even the majority of *AMD* cards (source is the steam hardware survey, GCN cards look to be about 1/3 of AMD's discrete there), that seems unlikely doesn't it?

But the thing is, everything from AMD from now on will be based on GCN. Every product from the lowest end APU and highest end GPU will be based on it.

If Mantle were to live up to the hype and give huge performance increases, enough to make modern demanding games to run ok even on APUs, it could be a big win for the studios.

Only one day to go now, hopefully most questions will be answered.


DirectX 10 and 11 didn't start off with a huge userbase either, and they both required the users to get Vista or Win7 in order to use it.

 

[Phynaz]

Plz dont misguide in terms of many.There only 4 developers which make it several and Activison only said they will support they did not join yet also crytek and when they do than we discuss so u just post officially dev which are supporting it.yet we dont now how much performance gain will be or what will be condition to use mantle so stop posting useless prediction.

Your posts make my head hurt :\

 

[Erenhardt]

There is a stream. You need to register at apu365, login, choose a key note and in the midle section click button "live now"

 

[f1sherman]

Here's to Mantle making FX cpu's more competitive :cheers:

With G-Sync and ARM Cores/Maxwell just around corner, I don't see myself going Radeon.
My guess is Mantle goes PhysX way, ie. AMD needs to throw money for one-time-gigs aka BF4.

That is my perspective but...
I REALLY want to be surprised. Better AMD = Better Nvidia, win-win win

 

[Paul98]

Your posts make my head hurt :\

Same here I ended up putting him on my ignore list, this thread has been much easier to read since then.

 

[f1sherman]

There is a stream. You need to register at apu365, login, choose a key note and in the midle section click button "live now"

LOL Nandini Ramani talks about Java and cloud and TESLA cards

EDIT: Hahaha she's hilarious. Besides constantly boosting Java image, and not mentioning AMD at all...

While AMD guy is explaining template Java code for parallel GPU work, she goes on to interrupt him

"and doing NOTHING inside the loop"

"well... yes, I commented that" - says AMD guy.