You won't see anyone dropping DX support. M$ would buy AMD before they let that happen. Besides, There's too many non GCN systems out there that run DX for anyone to consider not using it.
They wouldn't have to buy AMD. Just block their hardware from Windows. "Mantle is now only available on Linux" = "MS just killed Mantle". >_>
I hope AMD actually announces a Mantle SDK release date. I'd be happy with access to even a beta. Just got a new 290 and wouldn't mind testing out Mantle myself.
Just to make you work harder (inserting new line) I'll go with 60%.
Not every game will support mantle. Don't expect Batman to be on the list, as they rejected patch from AMD to improve performance (can't find link now;/)I am really excited about mantle, but something tells me that its just too good to be true. Too many haters in the industry that don't want AMD to pull it off. I expect a few PC games to use it and that will be great, but I wouldn't expect actual wide spread adoption, because that would actually be really cool and we can't have that now can we? No, of course not.
Not every game will support mantle. Don't expect Batman to be on the list, as they rejected patch from AMD to improve performance (can't find link now;/)
I've had a similar train of thought. Will be interesting to see if/how Intel and Nvidia will attempt to hamper Mantle adoption.I am really excited about mantle, but something tells me that its just too good to be true. Too many haters in the industry that don't want AMD to pull it off. I expect a few PC games to use it and that will be great, but I wouldn't expect actual wide spread adoption, because that would actually be really cool and we can't have that now can we? No, of course not.
I think it was a statement by AMD. But given what has happened in the past, it is very likely true.What a pathetic move. I would love to see that post.
I've had a similar train of thought. Will be interesting to see if/how Intel and Nvidia will attempt to hamper Mantle adoption.
I think it was a statement by AMD. But given what has happened in the past, it is very likely true.
I've had a similar train of thought. Will be interesting to see if/how Intel and Nvidia will attempt to hamper Mantle adoption.
I think it was a statement by AMD. But given what has happened in the past, it is very likely true.
Mantle for BF4 is supposed to come in December? Does anyone know the date? Sorry, I haven't been following the whole thread.
I'm going on the assumption that Intel wants to be seen as viable for entry to entry/mid level gaming performance, that's not true? As for Nvidia, they will continue to push their differentiating features such as PhysX. Of course it all hinges on how potent Mantle really is, if it offers 30% better performance, that's as good as a product lineup refresh without any new silicon.
This is a scary proposition for Nvidia if it comes to fruition. Big if though IMO, sounds too good to be true. We'll see.
Date unspecified, though DICE's Johan Andersson teased a possible late November BF4 Mantle update.
The PR effort sure might be, but we have no idea whether the API is or not yet so I'm not sure why you're phrasing that it's aimed at high end gaming as a fact.Mantle is immediately and specifically targeting gamers looking to upgrade their present AIBs to prepare for next gen gaming demands.
Yeah it could be very significant for APUs - that and reducing single thread CPU performance requirements (which is an issue with DX that can heavily favour intel) are what I suspect the real focus is. Looking at the performance/resolution the new consoles are rumoured to achive and I'd think we're still probably talking 1366x768 at low/medium settings, but that in itself wouldn't be a bad achievement for integrated graphics by any means.But the thing is, everything from AMD from now on will be based on GCN. Every product from the lowest end APU and highest end GPU will be based on it.
If Mantle were to live up to the hype and give huge performance increases, enough to make modern demanding games to run ok even on APUs, it could be a big win for the studios.
Only one day to go now, hopefully most questions will be answered.
DirectX 10 and 11 didn't start off with a huge userbase either, and they both required the users to get Vista or Win7 in order to use it.
I am really excited about mantle, but something tells me that its just too good to be true. Too many haters in the industry that don't want AMD to pull it off. I expect a few PC games to use it and that will be great, but I wouldn't expect actual wide spread adoption, because that would actually be really cool and we can't have that now can we? No, of course not.
It's not about haters. It's just not healthy for the industry to support a vendor specific api. Same think thing applies for nvidia physx. Even if physx and mantle serve different purposes, they suffer from the same thing: they're both vendor specific. It isn't economically feasible to support an api that increases dev cost.
It's not about haters. It's just not healthy for the industry to support a vendor specific api. Same think thing applies for nvidia physx. Even if physx and mantle serve different purposes, they suffer from the same thing: they're both vendor specific. It isn't economically feasible to support an api that increases dev cost.
Article about Mantle on hardware.fr with new information:
http://www.google.com/translate?hl=.../13445/apu13-amd-mantle-premiers-details.html
The application also acquires the ability to take control of the multi-GPU and to decide where to run each command issued. Why AMD has provided in Mantle access CrossFire compositing engine, data transfer between GPU etc.. Will allow multi-GPU modes that go beyond the AFR and adapt better example to use GPU computing in games or asymmetric multi-GPU systems as is the case for APU combined with a GPU. For example it is possible to imagine the GPU load based rendering and APU handle the post processing.
Article about Mantle on hardware.fr with new information:
http://www.google.com/translate?hl=.../13445/apu13-amd-mantle-premiers-details.html
In the end, according Mantle will allow AMD to help entry-level systems, to enable developers to better predict the behavior and performance of their engines as well as sharing optimizations between PC and next gen consoles, and more long term to allow the introduction of new rendering techniques.
To do this, however, AMD need effective tools and indicates that everything is on track. In addition, AMD has integrated a large part of its debugging features and validation directly in the API, which facilitates the creation of efficient and accurate tools on possible bottlenecks. Developers can also integrate directly access to various counters GPU in their own tools, a more comprehensive manner than at present.
AMD says its next development is progressing well and the timing for the December patch Mantle Battlefield 4 remains valid. Currently, Mantle is available in alpha release to a handful of developers, but next month a beta version should be available to all developers who request it. For public documentation, it will probably take the GDC in March 2014 while the availability of the final version of Mantle is scheduled for the second half of next year. In the meantime, the API support will of course included in all drivers.
AMD insists that Mantle was not intended to be limited to architecture. The base Mantle merely relatively generic functions that could be supported by other architectures while a extended Mantle level adds support for specific functions currently Radeon. Mantle and could potentially become a standard with extensions, but nothing says that interest Nvidia or AMD that management will not cause it difficult to accept conditions.
Note that the AMD forum being closed to anyone, the output of the presentation linked to Mantle, we have crossed several employees of NVIDIA, one of the main architects of the GeForce GPU. AMD's competitor appears visibly as curious as us about Mantle!
Article about Mantle on hardware.fr with new information:
http://www.google.com/translate?hl=.../13445/apu13-amd-mantle-premiers-details.html
Note that the AMD forum being closed to anyone, the output of the presentation linked to Mantle, we have crossed several employees of NVIDIA, one of the main architects of the GeForce GPU. AMD's competitor appears visibly as curious as us about Mantle!
I just can't believe people keep claiming mantle will cut costs. The only way it can cut costs is if fewer resources are directed toward direct x. Or at least for the developers, if AMD subsidizes the development. The additional resources needed may be worth it, but it will require additional time (money) to add another code path and test/debug it.
I also an not convinced it will lead to a huge increase in game sales. Console sales are probably 90% over the market for new big name titles. Even if mantle were to increase PC sales of a game 50% (highly unlikely in my opinion) that would only be a 5% increase in total sales, assuming none of those sales were taken away from consoles.