So suddenly you have a problem with DirectX on your nvidia card? For you nothing changes. You still get your directx. Nobody will make mantle only games.
But, apparently, now you have a problem with directx being "crappy". Whatever, if you say so. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Nothing changes for you. AMD will get a couple of games that benefits them, kinda like (and this isn't an apples to apples comparison) how nvidia users benefit from physx. AMD gets a few games a year that benefits them. So what?
Again, sounds like nothing more than sour grapes. Nothing changes for you. You continue using DirectX. Although, hilariously, you seem to have problems with DX being "crappy" now. There is also no fragmentation. Maybe you should read up on what the 3d rendering situation was like back in 1996 where some people could use 3d acceleration and some could not. That is not the case now. Again, you still have your 3d accelerated DirectX. Nothing has and nothing will change for you - nvidia still excels in doing their things with DX11 games.
Intel already does by using/creating cpu specific extensions.
But you also forget that a "low level" API from my understanding means the exposure of that particular graphics architecture (for someone to have a "peek" of that particular design) i.e. developers can gain direct access to the hardware and even within the same family of GPUs, the code will be different as they have different configurations of different logic parts.
Is Also the vibe I'm getting from the developers that are commenting about Mantle is that much of the benefit comes from having control over memory which is often a neglected aspect of these types of discussions.
Would AMD slot in a 'cripple Intel' check inside Mantle heh heh like Intel did with their own compilers.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafi...D-Low-Level-API-Mantle-Battlefield-4-1090085/
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That doesn't sound very open to me. In the letter of the word it may be "open", but in the spirit, this thing is clearly proprietary since AMD has the final say and there is no independent group involved in its inception and ongoing development. This leaves a very sour taste in my mouth, no matter the possible advantages.
What's your thought on physx?
What's your thought on physx?
https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/383349757428506624
This is the second AMD source to point people in the direction of Ryan's article = strong possibility of it being true. IF Mantle is the Xbox's low level API, it's probably game over or a seismic shift at minimum. IF both the Xbox and PS4 have it, it's definitely all over, no way can Nvidia withstand that kind of loss.
Yeah, but Intel and AMD use the same basic x86-64 architecture, and both have a cross licensing agreement, so AMD usually implement those extensions themselves in CPUs.
NVidia and AMD GPUs on the other hand, are completely different architecture wise.
It all depends on what kind of perf gains Mantle brings over DX, if its around 30-50%, NV can still compete by going brute force big dies, since they have Quadro and Tesla products to cover the costs of making large dies and then some.
If its >50%... lets hope Maxwell is all its cracked up to be.
It all depends on what kind of perf gains Mantle brings over DX, if its around 30-50%, NV can still compete by going brute force big dies, since they have Quadro and Tesla products to cover the costs of making large dies and then some.
If its >50%... lets hope Maxwell is all its cracked up to be.
How do you even come up with those numbers?
Do you really think there is even 30%-50% to be gained? And not more in the area of say 5% or less?
The devs people love to quote, often throw around DX overhead on hardware as in the 2.5x range, ie. needing 2.5x the power to achieve the same as a low level API would.
I am being very conservative, if Mantle is indeed an effective low level API as they claimed, 30-50% is the low ball estimate.
You are in for a big dissapointment then.
You sound so sure.
I am saying IF it works as advertised.
Why are you so sure it will fail?
Dont try and twist it. Its you claiming the overhyped numbers. Good luck with that, you will need it.
No sir. Not claiming, merely speculating. I don't know how effective Mantle is, I am just using the common agreed DX overhead on hardware, and then being very conservative, I am guessing it could be 30-50%. Its as good as anyone else's guesses at this point.
Now, why exactly are you so certain it won't be any good?
DX10-11 would essentially have to be the biggest turd alive for that to be true. Not to mention how DX9 would be. Or how big an epic flop OpenGL would have to be. All fixed by magic fairies to gain minimum 30-50% on a new API.
There is a reason why AMD didnt show any real gain numbers. Just likely why no 290X specs. Its nothing great to write home about.
So I take it you are a game developer who understands all the nuisance of DX programming? You realize big developers are the ones making the claims, that DX actually does have a massive overhead compared to coding to the metal as on console APIs??
It's exactly what Raja said, coding to the metal for PC is pretty much giving you 2018 hardware today. Now, obviously he works for AMD so he will hype it to the max. So I am more conservative, instead of massive 2.5x gains, I'll settle for 30-50%