So you're saying that all of Oxide games with mantle will be added in by DICE? And Square Enix's too? And Star Citizen? How much time does DICE's team have?
They already have a driver in alpha apparently.
Johan's keynote had him basically saying it outright, that when/if the games he listed get Mantle support, it will be implemented by the technical team at DICE.
That makes them DICE games to me.
Johan's keynote had him basically saying it outright, that when/if the games he listed get Mantle support, it will be implemented by the technical team at DICE.
That makes them DICE games to me.
So you're saying that all of Oxide games with mantle will be added in by DICE? And Square Enix's too? And Star Citizen? How much time does DICE's team have?
They already have a driver in alpha apparently.
It won't be implemented by the DICE team, it will work out of the box with Frostbite 3.
So here some people were thinking they could get full benefit mantle by using Intel CPU+AMD GPU but thank god AMD prove me right.There is no way AMD will pay there money for Intel benefits.Mantle full advantage will be from APU+AMD GPU.
Johan specifies in the keynote that taking advantage of Mantle isn't as easy as that. You have to do more.
If u can read my post again what i said is u cannot get full advantage of Mantle by using intel CPU.U can go twiter there explanation amd of APU how they remove bottleneck by using Mantle.AMD will never allow intel to take advantage from Mantle and why they will.What AMD clearly said that it remove CPU bottleneck.You said earlier that Mantle can't run on systems with a Intel CPU, it can. In fact, Mantle can even run on Intel and NVidia GPU's if they they want to add support to it.
So ye, you are wrong.
So here some people were thinking they could get full benefit mantle by using Intel CPU+AMD GPU but thank god AMD prove me right.There is no way AMD will pay there money for Intel benefits.Mantle full advantage will be from APU+AMD GPU.
If u can read my post again what i said is u cannot get full advantage of Mantle by using intel CPU.U can go twiter there explanation amd of APU how they remove bottleneck by using Mantle.AMD will never allow intel to take advantage from Mantle and why they will.
You made sure not to read the 'mostly' part, as well as taking the twitter comment instead of his goddamn keynote.
Good job.
Who said bottleneck.What i am saying Intle+AMD GPU of course performance will increase but not much as APU+AMD GPU this combination will get full advantage.Running Mantle on a PC with a Intel i7 or a AMD FX CPU will give you the same performance. Running it on a APU will give you more performance because you have the APU's GPU and the dedicated graphics cards, so it's like running a R9 290X + a mobile 7750 (the GPU inside the Kaveri).
There is no Intel bottleneck inside Mantle.
Do link to the keynote where he states otherwise.
https://vts.inxpo.com/scripts/Server.nxp?LASCmd=AI:1;F:US!100&ShowName=APU365
You'll have to navigate this horribad site to get to it.
To what time should I forward to?
Running Mantle on a PC with a Intel i7 or a AMD FX CPU will give you the same performance. Running it on a APU will give you more performance because you have the APU's GPU and the dedicated graphics cards, so it's like running a R9 290X + a mobile 7750 (the GPU inside the Kaveri).
There is no Intel bottleneck inside Mantle.
The entire thing is him talking about it. It ain't the abridged version. He doesn't make many general statements in the entire thing. The parts you should look at is where he talks about implementing mantle into a game engine and also utilizing mantle based on the game you are designing. Starting at 09:45 is where he describes why you have to tailor it specifically to the game you are rendering. He says this in a very technical fashion though, so it's hard to understand.
So what exactly is the issue? DICE isn't going to implement Mantle support into every single game, the engine does that. The game developers simply have to then optimize the engine for their specific game.
It's not like the only coders at EA are in DICE, and all the other game studios making games have just artists and game designers.
However it's pretty obvious the major benefit from Mantle is in draw call overhead reduction which is explicitly CPU related and indirectly GPU related.
The other studios don't magically have Mantle experience. Literally no-one has Mantle experience except the Dice Technical Team. That's why they are doing the implementation. That's why they get it first. That's why the other companies have to wait for a fully documented and finalized Mantle standard.
Their game demo, screen filled with units. "Up to 3 times faster with Mantle". Sounds like a big deal. For RTS games its a massive lifting of the bottleneck.
The other studios don't magically have Mantle experience.
So you are saying none of them have ever worked with low level API? They might not have experience with Mantle specifically, but low level API is nothing new, console games have been using them for a while.
And don't forget, BF4 is the only game that is going to have Mantle support soon. All the other games won't be coming till later.
Star Citizen isn't coming till late 2014 or maybe even 2015, by that time there should be a full Mantle SDK out.
Dragon Age Inquisition was also delayed to late 2014.
There wasn't even an announcement for the new Mass Effect, same for the new Star Wars game and Mirrors Edge.
Most games will Mantle support will come out in second half of 2014 or later.
I'm betting on a massive improvement on the MMORPG genre in general and korean MMORPGs in particular. Those run badly whatever hardware you have and Mantle should alleviate the need of raw power. Too bad almost all of them rock an Unreal Engine and Mantle is likely to get there rather late.