They showed you demos, and benchmarks.
You just think their not real,.... because you dislike them.
Your just accuseing me of what you where doing.
The only reason you can claim such, is because you believe the proof they provide is invalid.
What if its NOT, and your wrong? ever think that? Its much more likely.
You assume people are lying from the start, instead of giveing them the benefit of the doubt.
Its a sad way to live life, not everyone is a lying.
We ve all heard this from you, please stop repeating it.
Now you need to be patient and WAIT for it
(not complain endlessly on forums instead, which it really sounds like you rather do)
And this.In that case, you need to address your questions to AMD PR, not us. They will have the answers you seek.
In the meantime, we will continue to share information with each other, as we discover it, 'cuz we find it interesting. If you have anything MEANINGFUL to contribute, let us know.
45% faster than directx 11 or directx 11.1? Under Windows 7 it is running with directx11....and it's much slower. On a marketing slide everything is possible, a shame we don't know. That's why we really need the Mantle Patch finally.
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The same people ruining this thread are the same that got it locked first, when are the bans being handled?
They showed you demos, and benchmarks.
You just think their not real,.... because you dislike them.
False, read my link again.Your just accuseing me of what you where doing.
I just look at AMD's PR history...and caculate they they never materialise their PR claims...it's called looking at the evidience at hand.The only reason you can claim such, is because you believe the proof they provide is invalid.
I'm asking them to put up or shut up (aka SHOW ME THE MONEY!!)...really simple.What if its NOT, and your wrong? ever think that? Its much more likely.
You assume people are lying from the start, instead of giveing them the benefit of the doubt.
You are getting awfully emotional about PR now...can't be healhty.Its a sad way to live life, not everyone is a lying.
So I am supposed to let the PR spread FUD...and just sit and watch you clap your hands and peddle PR as it is facts?We ve all heard this from you, please stop repeating it.
Now you need to be patient and WAIT for it
(not complain endlessly on forums instead, which it really sounds like you rather do)
NO your not, your complaining about PR on a forum. Not talking directly to AMD.I'm asking them to put up or shut up (aka SHOW ME THE MONEY!!)...really simple
You realise your accuseing a company that makes slides about upcomeing products of spreading:So I am supposed to let the PR spread FUD...and just sit and watch you clap your hands and peddle PR as it is facts?
Psychological projection was conceptualized by Sigmund Freud in the 1900s as a defense mechanism in which a person unconsciously rejects his or her own unacceptable attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world.[1] For example, a person who is rude may accuse other people of being rude.
You are getting awfully emotional about PR now...can't be healhty.
Mods plz see thisNO your not, your complaining about PR on a forum. Not talking directly to AMD.
You realise your accuseing a company that makes slides about upcomeing products of spreading:
Fear - uncertainty - doubt.
I dont think AMD is doing that about its own products.
You are the one spreading marketing FUD, in a forum.
You claim everything AMD is saying is uncertain, because you dislike AMD and want to spread fear or doubt.
Your accuseing others of what you do.
its called:
Psychological projection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
^ same thing.
We all understand that, its like saying the sky is blue.If PR was always accurate and the full story then we wouldn't need the 50+ technical review sites we have around the world doing secondary reviews of these products. As is always the case in the GPU world the PR is the best you'll get, and not necessarily accurate.
People asking for people like me to get banned because we question the empty PR are going offtopic.
I have stated before:
This is NOT the "ALL praise Mantle - NO critique allowed!!!" thread.
You are getting personal...and offtopic...critique of Manlte PR is not offtopic FYI
But funny how empty PR...are leaving people so mad...they try with red herrings, to defelct from the fact that Mantle is still MIA..and only PR ^^
(Even more fun when it's a lot of NEWLY registered "users" ^^)
NO your not, your complaining about PR on a forum. Not talking directly to AMD.
You realise your accuseing a company that makes slides about upcomeing products of spreading:
Fear - uncertainty - doubt.
I dont think AMD is doing that about its own products.
You are the one spreading marketing FUD, in a forum.
You claim everything AMD is saying is uncertain, because you dislike AMD and want to spread fear or doubt.
Your accuseing others of what you do.
its called:
Psychological projection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
^ same thing.
Maybe you should take your own advice to yourself from your subconsciousness, and take a small break.
I for one don't want to see you banned. Just accept that we ALL FULLY UNDERSTAND that YOU think this is all empty AMD PR for now (I disagree, we've had other sources besides AMD quoted here, particularly from Oxide), and that some of us disagree (I think a lot of useful info is being shared when people aren't getting coaxed into pissing matches).
We are all adults here. Agree to disagree, and let the discussion continue on the other points. And again, I think your questions for AMD PR would be better directed towards AMD's PR department - we can't answer those, as we do not work for AMD PR.
In the meantime, you should probably wait for the NDAs to get lifted in a few days while the rest of us continue with our silly discussions based on rumor, innuendo, press releases, news articles and other (un)official sources. When Anand can FINALLY post their Kaveri review with a BF4 Mantle patch benchmark update, MAYBE you will get what you consider satisfactory answers.
Seriously I hope some people are IP banned.
For FUD, derails, disruptive agendas, aiming to get threads locked ect.
They undermine the value of the forums in the first place, when you cant even read news about updates related to tech, without haveing to deal with all this hassle.
Its stuff like this that ll ruin forums, and the reputations of said forums.
People that act this way need to be delt with, for the good of those that actaully want to read the forums.
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burden of proof
"When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim."
YOU! need to prove its empty PR, not the other way around.
Right now your in the wrong, because your makeing assumptions that are not based on facts, but your dislike of a company.
Also your assumeing that if 1 part is wrong, the other is correct, which isnt correct either.
Both parties could be wrong, or both right. Your prove im wrong, or admit im right, is silly.
Lonbjerg please respect this (others views), we have all now heard your views about anything AMD claims being worthless because you "believe" its just empty PR.
You dont have to repeat yourself a million times in a thread.
It contributes very little if anything to the discussion, it more or less just derails it.
Next time you do it, i ll ask a forum mod about it.
And you believe the tech demo that was shown, of starswarm didnt do that?No, mantle is the API being claimed to make major improvements. The burden of proof rests with those who are making claims for it.
@Lonbjerg
There is a differnce between being a voice of reason, and being judgemental.
I' ll show you:
Person A) Mantle is the best! it ll give us 10 times as much performance!!! woooooh.
person B) Mantle tech slides, of Battlefield 4 testing only show up to 45% performance gains.
Your 10 times claim is pretty exagerated.
^ person B is being reasonable, or as you said a voice of reason.
The thing your doing about all PR being completly false and untrustworthy, isnt reason.
You dont come off as being a voice of it, it really does sound more like FUD.
are you sure your not spreading uncertainty about PR slides? Fear? doubt?
You DO know that this Kaveri slide is from CES 2014? iGPU 1080p low = unplayable.
FYI, I don't consider even low settings as unplayable unless FPS falls below 30, and several of the games cited in the slide are at medium and max settings. And the 'low' settings of today are often comparable the 'medium' and 'high' settings of yesteryear, thanks to advances on the GPU software/hardware front.
Also, most of the titles on that slide are not Mantle titles to begin with, so it probably isn't really relevant to this thead. We probably should cease bringing it up in this thread until we see a slide with Mantle vs. non Mantle benches (there is another thread for Kaveri).
Lol.How do even think b is reasonable when they did not show any specs or detail and just shows the slide.@Lonbjerg
There is a differnce between being a voice of reason, and being judgemental.
I' ll show you:
Person A) Mantle is the best! it ll give us 10 times as much performance!!! woooooh.
person B) Mantle tech slides, of Battlefield 4 testing only show up to 45% performance gains.
Your 10 times claim is pretty exagerated.
^ person B is being reasonable, or as you said a voice of reason.
The thing your doing about all PR being completly false and untrustworthy, isnt reason.
You dont come off as being a voice of it, it really does sound more like FUD.
are you sure your not spreading uncertainty about PR slides? Fear? doubt?
And you believe the tech demo that was shown, of starswarm didnt do that?
You believe the PR slides that show a 45% increase in BF4, where not done by any testing to reach that 45% number?
Its all just PR lies right? theres no way AMD could be telling the truth? because why not just lie about things, its not like their gonna get reveiwed by alot of tech sites in a months time or so right?
That amount of distrust is just scary.
Why would AMD lie about things, when soon there will be reviews that ll disprove them if they lie?
Its called faith in your fellow man.Lol.How do even think b is reasonable when they did not show any specs or detail and just shows the slide.
I seriously hope you are not trying to have an engaging and logical discussion with AMDSHiT, are you?
Wow mate hold your horses now. What he said that if it is not mantle enabled game then it would be illogical to talk about it here a "mantle thread" is actually quite logical. Amdshit is just fud. Keep it to elsewhere. That list is irrelevant. Period. Dont bring it up along with dx mt or anything else. If you want to be logical wait for benches that can compare mantle vs dx in the same game which is coming around this time.I seriously hope you are not trying to have an engaging and logical discussion with AMDSHiT, are you?