According to Johan Andersson, the work on Mantle API in the Frostbite 3 engine took the team about two months of work
So Oxide its gona release a engine that only runs on Mantle? thats the question because 300% on mantle means it will be unplayable on DX.
What i can take from that is that in order to fully use Mantle, DX must be dropped.
DICE’s Johan Andersson talks about AMD Mantle API
Epic fail.So who is going to buy games of that company.If do that than not even 5% user will purchase the game.They are not stupid it is just marketing.So Oxide its gona release a engine that only runs on Mantle? thats the question because 300% on mantle means it will be unplayable on DX.
What i can take from that is that in order to fully use Mantle, DX must be dropped.
Epic fail.So who is going to buy games of that company.If do that than not even 5% user will purchase the game.They are not stupid it is just marketing.
So Oxide its gona release a engine that only runs on Mantle? thats the question because 300% on mantle means it will be unplayable on DX.
What i can take from that is that in order to fully use Mantle, DX must be dropped.
Remember this huge difference only exist for rts where you are drawcall limited. Dx is severely limited here.
But the difference is probably going to be even higher when they start to know mantle. A difference of 500-1000% is perhaps the most realistic in a year or 2 and even bigger in 3 years if they directly build the engine to take use of eg. the better multicore scaling in mantle.
But those 1000% difference whatever is easily used in a rts game making eg. your armies bigger or with more individual control of the units. I can see this used besides dx.
But the difference is going to big - yes - but thats the nature of it. It is fundamental gamechanger for the rts genre. But we need those new games for it to develop.
I know that, but the thing is, you gona be limited if you still need to support DX, thats the main problem, in order to fully use mantle by definition you need to make a game that will be unplayable on DX.
AMD is not stuck at 5% marketshare forever! Marketshare changes!
I know that, but the thing is, you gona be limited if you still need to support DX, thats the main problem, in order to fully use mantle by definition you need to make a game that will be unplayable on DX.
RTS's aren't exactly a console genre. A mouse really is needed for RTS's. Are there any at all on consoles? I really don't recall ever seeing one.This may be where the consoles come in, if it turns out they can't do something on DX on the PC. But they can do it on consoles and mantle. They may just make it for those platforms, or make a cut down version for DX, using an algorithm to cut down on what you attempt to draw on screen.
The good thing about mantle is it should allow for anything that is made on a different platform to be ported to mantle and have good performance, and depending what platform it was ported from could be better performance.
RTS's aren't exactly a console genre. A mouse really is needed for RTS's. Are there any at all on consoles? I really don't recall ever seeing one.
I did search Google after I wrote that, and you are right in that there are RTS's, but everyone seemed to agree that they suck, and the dumb it way down, probably removing the need for all the extra draw calls.Supreme commander 2.
I doubt it did well.
What also could be interesting is patching mantle into open source games. Along with hobbyist and students working on some interesting projects.
Guys expected BF4 performance boost and release date please ?
I agree there is a challenge here for the devs. They can make unique games using a low level api like Mantle that is simply not possible on dx.
But i dont know if its any different from the challenge on the low level apu side where perhaps quad core kabini and temash will be able to play the new plants vs zoombies in all its glory at full speed while a bt driven machine will just be more like bad.
I think thats perhaps a bigger problem for the studios. The few rts gamer freaks will just buy a card that can run the low level api eg mantle and cgn. But the family just dont change their cheap notebook to play a game. Its wasted game sale. But on the upside there will be a huge new apu market to play plants vs z. Johan says thats what dice is hoping for. And i am pretty sure thats why EA invested in engineering their new engine to mantle.
Its more like a roadblock than a challenge, at the end of the day you figure out that you have to do 2 games in parallel, one in a cpu limited enviroment under DX and other for mantle where you can do a lot more.
How many devs whould choose for doing the game as DX primary and them add Mantle implementation where CPU requeriments will be lower but the endgame will the same? That to me is not a big deal after all. Now a game with mantle as primary could yield very good results, THATs good, but when you realise that you could only sell that game to GCN radeon users things fell apart.
It may also be that they didn't go as low level as Dice did. From my understanding, Mantle does have high level features as well as close to the metal features. If you stick with the high level features, it is easier to use.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yak25TKCCrc
Oxide games' Dan Baker says it took him 2 months to implement. Just him.
I would imagine it took the entire engine team at DICE longer because they were actually making the API. Seems like it won't be that hard to get working in engines after the get the Alpha and Beta API done and push for the release version of it.
Its more like a roadblock than a challenge, at the end of the day you figure out that you have to do 2 games in parallel, one in a cpu limited enviroment under DX and other for mantle where you can do a lot more.
How many devs whould choose for doing the game as DX primary and them add Mantle implementation where CPU requeriments will be lower but the endgame will the same? That to me is not a big deal after all. Now a game with mantle as primary could yield very good results, THATs good, but when you realise that you could only sell that game to GCN radeon users things fell apart.
I know that, but the thing is, you gona be limited if you still need to support DX, thats the main problem, in order to fully use mantle by definition you need to make a game that will be unplayable on DX.