The Anti-Semitism Card

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
Look at the Democrats/liberals talk about Joe Lieberman nowadays. I guess Mel wanted to be part of the crowd.

Look at zendari proving once again that he can come up with the most irrelevant POS comment in any thread. :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

Originally posted by: Termagant
Yeah because criticizing a Jewish politician's political views is antisemitic. :disgust::disgust::disgust::disgust:

And Termagant trying his damndest as a zendari wannabe. :roll:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: rsd
Last I knew, simply being drunk won't make someone say (and presumably believe) things that they may not already believe. Being drunk is not excuse.

He was intoxicated and obviously panicked about the incident becoming public and ruining his career. Obviously he wasn't thinking rationally when he made all those comments (not just the Jewish ones) towards the officers. He made sexist comments towards the female officer yet everyone seems to have excused that and focused on his anti-semitic comments, double standards? Regardless, he did apologize profoundly about what he said so I fail to see why the ADL and their supporters still feel the need to persecute him? How do you know what he believes in? Are you a mind reader?

 

[GDaddy]

his blood level was .12, he is a self admitted alcoholic, .12 is not drunk, its barely a good buzz, and was his apology live or just a press release wrote by his PR department. if i remember right it was just a press release, really sincere.

What i dont understand is why you are defending him so much? i understand the ADL, it is there job, they will make a mountain out of any molehole they can find, there talk goes in one ear and out the other, much like Mel's tirade, but why are you defending him so much? you dont have to answer, that question is for you to think about.

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: rsd
Last I knew, simply being drunk won't make someone say (and presumably believe) things that they may not already believe. Being drunk is not excuse.

He was intoxicated and obviously panicked about the incident becoming public and ruining his career. Obviously he wasn't thinking rationally when he made all those comments (not just the Jewish ones) towards the officers. He made sexist comments towards the female officer yet everyone seems to have excused that and focused on his anti-semitic comments, double standards? Regardless, he did apologize profoundly about what he said so I fail to see why the ADL and their supporters still feel the need to persecute him? How do you know what he believes in? Are you a mind reader?

Put it this way, even if I was drunk I wouldn't make certain remarks because they would not even exist in my conscienceness. Not to say people don't say/do stupid things when they are intoxicated, but if he didn't have an inkling of believe in his remarks, why would he even say them?

As for sexist remarks, those too should be criticized equally as any others (whether they were anti-black, muslim or whatever).

I'm not really sure why you are trying so vehemently defending him, because regardless of his state of mind it is a fact (well according to the various reports) that he said these things.

 

[skooma]

:music: they were given the grapes that go ripe in the sun
that loosen the screws at the back of the tongue :music:

Mel screwed up by flipping out. But that doesn't change that IMO, what he said is rooted in his mind.

I might get drunk (way over .12) and spew off about things that I normally wouldn't say to someone. But I still believe what I say.

I don't get drunk (way over .12) and spew things that have no foundation in my mind.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: zendari
Look at the Democrats/liberals talk about Joe Lieberman nowadays. I guess Mel wanted to be part of the crowd.

Look at zendari proving once again that he can come up with the most irrelevant POS comment in any thread. :thumbsdown: :| :thumbsdown:

Originally posted by: Termagant
Yeah because criticizing a Jewish politician's political views is antisemitic. :disgust::disgust::disgust::disgust:

And Termagant trying his damndest as a zendari wannabe. :roll:

It was sarcasm. :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: rsd
Last I knew, simply being drunk won't make someone say (and presumably believe) things that they may not already believe. Being drunk is not excuse.

He was intoxicated and obviously panicked about the incident becoming public and ruining his career. Obviously he wasn't thinking rationally when he made all those comments (not just the Jewish ones) towards the officers. He made sexist comments towards the female officer yet everyone seems to have excused that and focused on his anti-semitic comments, double standards? Regardless, he did apologize profoundly about what he said so I fail to see why the ADL and their supporters still feel the need to persecute him? How do you know what he believes in? Are you a mind reader?

Put it this way, even if I was drunk I wouldn't make certain remarks because they would not even exist in my conscienceness. Not to say people don't say/do stupid things when they are intoxicated, but if he didn't have an inkling of believe in his remarks, why would he even say them?

As for sexist remarks, those too should be criticized equally as any others (whether they were anti-black, muslim or whatever).

I'm not really sure why you are trying so vehemently defending him, because regardless of his state of mind it is a fact (well according to the various reports) that he said these things.

I've said a lot of stupid things to people I later regretted while I was angry/drunk and it doesn't mean I meant any of it. See it goes both ways. Should Mel Gibson made the remarks he did? Obviously not and I don't support them but I won't villify him for them either.

 

[nutxo]

Gibson said nothing different than what many on these forums have said about many different groups.


I'll say it's bigotry. This place is rampant with it. I see it every day.

 

[GDaddy]

I have said stupid things too, but not anything that goes against the core of my being, you cant change who you are no matter how much alcohol is in your system. and it should never be used as an excuse.

And .12 is not drunk, but i would be mad if i was pulled over doing 87 in a 45, damn police, wish they would stay out of my way then i would not have to say those things. Damit i own Malibu.

 

[techs]

The bottom line is Mel has always been anti-semitic. Many people have reported Mel saying things that are similiar to what he said when he was arrested.
Mel has been given protection and special treatment by the Christian right wing.
Mel has threatened to sue people who try and repeat what he has said.
Search the web and you will see.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: techs
The bottom line is Mel has always been anti-semitic. Many people have reported Mel saying things that are similiar to what he said when he was arrested.
Mel has been given protection and special treatment by the Christian right wing.
Mel has threatened to sue people who try and repeat what he has said.
Search the web and you will see.

Oh I get it, so the Christian right wing are the true anti-semites shielding Mel! Its a conspiracy! Last I checked, the Christian right wing were hardcore Israel supporters but now according to you they're really anti-semites. I guess everyone must be an anti-semite!

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: rsd
Last I knew, simply being drunk won't make someone say (and presumably believe) things that they may not already believe. Being drunk is not excuse.

He was intoxicated and obviously panicked about the incident becoming public and ruining his career. Obviously he wasn't thinking rationally when he made all those comments (not just the Jewish ones) towards the officers. He made sexist comments towards the female officer yet everyone seems to have excused that and focused on his anti-semitic comments, double standards? Regardless, he did apologize profoundly about what he said so I fail to see why the ADL and their supporters still feel the need to persecute him? How do you know what he believes in? Are you a mind reader?

Put it this way, even if I was drunk I wouldn't make certain remarks because they would not even exist in my conscienceness. Not to say people don't say/do stupid things when they are intoxicated, but if he didn't have an inkling of believe in his remarks, why would he even say them?

As for sexist remarks, those too should be criticized equally as any others (whether they were anti-black, muslim or whatever).

I'm not really sure why you are trying so vehemently defending him, because regardless of his state of mind it is a fact (well according to the various reports) that he said these things.

I've said a lot of stupid things to people I later regretted while I was angry/drunk and it doesn't mean I meant any of it. See it goes both ways. Should Mel Gibson made the remarks he did? Obviously not and I don't support them but I won't villify him for them either.

Then that is where you and me (and others) differ. I can't really think of anything significant that I have said in that condition that didn't have an inkling of truth or foundation. Maybe you are just lying to yourself too.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: techs
The bottom line is Mel has always been anti-semitic. Many people have reported Mel saying things that are similiar to what he said when he was arrested.
Mel has been given protection and special treatment by the Christian right wing.
Mel has threatened to sue people who try and repeat what he has said.
Search the web and you will see.

Oh I get it, so the Christian right wing are the true anti-semites shielding Mel! Its a conspiracy! Last I checked, the Christian right wing were hardcore Israel supporters but now according to you they're really anti-semites. I guess everyone must be an anti-semite!

Depends how far right you go.

 

[GDaddy]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: techs
The bottom line is Mel has always been anti-semitic. Many people have reported Mel saying things that are similiar to what he said when he was arrested.
Mel has been given protection and special treatment by the Christian right wing.
Mel has threatened to sue people who try and repeat what he has said.
Search the web and you will see.

Oh I get it, so the Christian right wing are the true anti-semites shielding Mel! Its a conspiracy! Last I checked, the Christian right wing were hardcore Israel supporters but now according to you they're really anti-semites. I guess everyone must be an anti-semite!

Now instead of checking out the facts you are twisting someones words around. i cant help that fact that i feel like i am trying to talk to some kid in study hall. open your eyes and mind before you go marching blindly on.

 

[Starbuck1975]

None of us were there the night Mel got arrested, so none of us are in a position to determine what he said or the intentions behind what he said.

What is apparent is that the mainstream media seems rather aggressive in painting him as anti-Semite...taking speculation and gossip as fact, and running with it.

It is no secret that Mel Gibson doesn't like Jews...look how he portrayed them in the Passion...it is no secret that there are a lot of rather wealthy and powerful Jews in Hollywood, and that they are none to happy that the Passion enjoyed the box office success that it did...and who would love to see Gibson take a fall...coincidence that the media is making this into a huge story...I think not...it is fairly obvious that there is an agenda behind this story receiving the attention that it has.

Which is why the solution to all of the world's problems is Thunderdome.

Oh when I first heard of this story, the first image that came to mind was Mel Gibson running around in his underpants, wearing Braveheart face paint and yelling "kablaaaah" Parker and Stone must be able to predict the future or something.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
None of us were there the night Mel got arrested, so none of us are in a position to determine what he said or the intentions behind what he said.

What is apparent is that the mainstream media seems rather aggressive in painting him as anti-Semite...taking speculation and gossip as fact, and running with it.

It is no secret that Mel Gibson doesn't like Jews...look how he portrayed them in the Passion...it is no secret that there are a lot of rather wealthy and powerful Jews in Hollywood, and that they are none to happy that the Passion enjoyed the box office success that it did...and who would love to see Gibson take a fall...coincidence that the media is making this into a huge story...I think not...it is fairly obvious that there is an agenda behind this story receiving the attention that it has.



Which is why the solution to all of the world's problems is Thunderdome.

What's hilarious is the accusation that the Passion was an anti-semitc film when one of it's main stars was Jewish! Furthermore she defended the movie:

However, Romanian-Jewish actress Maia Morgenstern, who plays the Blessed Virgin Mary in the film and who is also the daughter of a Holocaust survivor, rejects these criticisms. In an interview filmed for the PAX documentary about the making of the film, Morgenstern said that she had read the script with her father and they both found it "beautiful, very poetic, and very philosophical."

But like you said, since Jews were portrayed in a remotely negative fashion in this movie, they had to crucify (no pun intended) Gibson regardless.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

People do and say a lot of things while intoxicated. Even if he said those things, he shouldn't be villified because he apologized afterwards. I just got done reading the report and he supposedly said a lot more than just those remarks to the arresting officers such as, "I own Malibu" and saying he was going to get even with the officer and some lewd remarks towards a female officer. Obviously he wasn't in control of all his faculties yet people like you want to villify him for comments he has already said he doesn't believe in. I'll keep reiterating my point, if he denigrated Muslims, I doubt it would've gotten the headlines this incident did. The fact is the ADL and those that play the anti-semite card have been after him ever since he refused to speak against his father (what kind of son would?) and because of his movie.

Uh, any normal son, maybe? If my father had said something as loathsome as denying the Holocaust, I would say, more or less, "I love and respect my father very much, but I am distressed and saddened by some of his comments. Though I love him, I do not agree with him on some things, and I certainly do not share his views on the Holocaust. He is simply incorrect in my opinion, and I feel his views on the subject are misguided. I have no further comment on the subject."

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: GDaddy
he was made guilty by himself, by what he said, did oyu see the police report? did you hear him on tape? I like Mel as an actor, i dont know him or really care to, i dont care if he is an anti-s or not, but open your eyes, its tough to go through the world blind

Like I said, even if he had said those things or worse while drunk, the fact that he was intoxicated and later apologized for his behavior should exonerate him. People are only making a big deal of this because it's about Jews; if he said similar things about Muslims you'd see a much more dismissive attitude from people in this thread as well as Hollywood/ADL.

It's very difficult for me to understand why you'd feel compelled to create this thread for any legitimate reason. If we assume for the moment that Mel Gibson said these things, he deserves to be villified IMO. I fail to see how drunkenness excuses making racist comments in any way, shape, or form. If he didn't say them, I regret he's having these comments attributed to him. That being said, I can't see rationalizing his racism (again, assuming he really said this).

People do and say a lot of things while intoxicated. Even if he said those things, he shouldn't be villified because he apologized afterwards. I just got done reading the report and he supposedly said a lot more than just those remarks to the arresting officers such as, "I own Malibu" and saying he was going to get even with the officer and some lewd remarks towards a female officer. Obviously he wasn't in control of all his faculties yet people like you want to villify him for comments he has already said he doesn't believe in. I'll keep reiterating my point, if he denigrated Muslims, I doubt it would've gotten the headlines this incident did. The fact is the ADL and those that play the anti-semite card have been after him ever since he refused to speak against his father (what kind of son would?) and because of his movie.

You're a bigot... and I hope you realize that nothing you ever say from this point forward will be taken seriously by anyone who's read this thread....

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: GDaddy
he was made guilty by himself, by what he said, did oyu see the police report? did you hear him on tape? I like Mel as an actor, i dont know him or really care to, i dont care if he is an anti-s or not, but open your eyes, its tough to go through the world blind

Like I said, even if he had said those things or worse while drunk, the fact that he was intoxicated and later apologized for his behavior should exonerate him. People are only making a big deal of this because it's about Jews; if he said similar things about Muslims you'd see a much more dismissive attitude from people in this thread as well as Hollywood/ADL.

It's very difficult for me to understand why you'd feel compelled to create this thread for any legitimate reason. If we assume for the moment that Mel Gibson said these things, he deserves to be villified IMO. I fail to see how drunkenness excuses making racist comments in any way, shape, or form. If he didn't say them, I regret he's having these comments attributed to him. That being said, I can't see rationalizing his racism (again, assuming he really said this).

People do and say a lot of things while intoxicated. Even if he said those things, he shouldn't be villified because he apologized afterwards. I just got done reading the report and he supposedly said a lot more than just those remarks to the arresting officers such as, "I own Malibu" and saying he was going to get even with the officer and some lewd remarks towards a female officer. Obviously he wasn't in control of all his faculties yet people like you want to villify him for comments he has already said he doesn't believe in. I'll keep reiterating my point, if he denigrated Muslims, I doubt it would've gotten the headlines this incident did. The fact is the ADL and those that play the anti-semite card have been after him ever since he refused to speak against his father (what kind of son would?) and because of his movie.

You're a bigot... and I hope you realize that nothing you ever say from this point forward will be taken seriously by anyone who's read this thread....

Typical, call anyone that critcizes organizations like the ADL a bigot. Yeah I'm a bigot because I feel Mel Gibson shouldn't be persecuted. :roll:

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: GDaddy
he was made guilty by himself, by what he said, did oyu see the police report? did you hear him on tape? I like Mel as an actor, i dont know him or really care to, i dont care if he is an anti-s or not, but open your eyes, its tough to go through the world blind

Like I said, even if he had said those things or worse while drunk, the fact that he was intoxicated and later apologized for his behavior should exonerate him. People are only making a big deal of this because it's about Jews; if he said similar things about Muslims you'd see a much more dismissive attitude from people in this thread as well as Hollywood/ADL.

It's very difficult for me to understand why you'd feel compelled to create this thread for any legitimate reason. If we assume for the moment that Mel Gibson said these things, he deserves to be villified IMO. I fail to see how drunkenness excuses making racist comments in any way, shape, or form. If he didn't say them, I regret he's having these comments attributed to him. That being said, I can't see rationalizing his racism (again, assuming he really said this).

People do and say a lot of things while intoxicated. Even if he said those things, he shouldn't be villified because he apologized afterwards. I just got done reading the report and he supposedly said a lot more than just those remarks to the arresting officers such as, "I own Malibu" and saying he was going to get even with the officer and some lewd remarks towards a female officer. Obviously he wasn't in control of all his faculties yet people like you want to villify him for comments he has already said he doesn't believe in. I'll keep reiterating my point, if he denigrated Muslims, I doubt it would've gotten the headlines this incident did. The fact is the ADL and those that play the anti-semite card have been after him ever since he refused to speak against his father (what kind of son would?) and because of his movie.

You're a bigot... and I hope you realize that nothing you ever say from this point forward will be taken seriously by anyone who's read this thread....

Typical, call anyone that critcizes organizations like the ADL a bigot. Yeah I'm a bigot because I feel Mel Gibson shouldn't be persecuted. :roll:

No I'm calling you a bigot because you're a bigot... how you can 1) excuse Gibson for his anti-semetic tirade simply because he was drunk? Does that mean rape is ok when you're drunk? Can you cuss out and verbally abuse your wife because your drunk and it's ok?

and 2) you're assertion that the Jews own hollywood and thereby influence the media is blatantly anti-semetic.

I could really care less whether you criticized the ADL or the NAACP or the KKK... I care about the fact that you are bigotted...

period.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: Doboji
No I'm calling you a bigot because you're a bigot... how you can 1) excuse Gibson for his anti-semetic tirade simply because he was drunk? Does that mean rape is ok when you're drunk? Can you cuss out and verbally abuse your wife because your drunk and it's ok?

and 2) you're assertion that the Jews own hollywood and thereby influence the media is blatantly anti-semetic.

I could really care less whether you criticized the ADL or the NAACP or the KKK... I care about the fact that you are bigotted...

period.

But what if the rapist apologizes?


:laugh:

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: GDaddy
he was made guilty by himself, by what he said, did oyu see the police report? did you hear him on tape? I like Mel as an actor, i dont know him or really care to, i dont care if he is an anti-s or not, but open your eyes, its tough to go through the world blind

Like I said, even if he had said those things or worse while drunk, the fact that he was intoxicated and later apologized for his behavior should exonerate him. People are only making a big deal of this because it's about Jews; if he said similar things about Muslims you'd see a much more dismissive attitude from people in this thread as well as Hollywood/ADL.

It's very difficult for me to understand why you'd feel compelled to create this thread for any legitimate reason. If we assume for the moment that Mel Gibson said these things, he deserves to be villified IMO. I fail to see how drunkenness excuses making racist comments in any way, shape, or form. If he didn't say them, I regret he's having these comments attributed to him. That being said, I can't see rationalizing his racism (again, assuming he really said this).

People do and say a lot of things while intoxicated. Even if he said those things, he shouldn't be villified because he apologized afterwards. I just got done reading the report and he supposedly said a lot more than just those remarks to the arresting officers such as, "I own Malibu" and saying he was going to get even with the officer and some lewd remarks towards a female officer. Obviously he wasn't in control of all his faculties yet people like you want to villify him for comments he has already said he doesn't believe in. I'll keep reiterating my point, if he denigrated Muslims, I doubt it would've gotten the headlines this incident did. The fact is the ADL and those that play the anti-semite card have been after him ever since he refused to speak against his father (what kind of son would?) and because of his movie.

You're a bigot... and I hope you realize that nothing you ever say from this point forward will be taken seriously by anyone who's read this thread....

Typical, call anyone that critcizes organizations like the ADL a bigot. Yeah I'm a bigot because I feel Mel Gibson shouldn't be persecuted. :roll:

No I'm calling you a bigot because you're a bigot... how you can 1) excuse Gibson for his anti-semetic tirade simply because he was drunk? Does that mean rape is ok when you're drunk? Can you cuss out and verbally abuse your wife because your drunk and it's ok?

Saying crude remarks while drunk is a far cry from raping someone, you're ridiculous for even trying to make that analogy.

and 2) you're assertion that the Jews own hollywood and thereby influence the media is blatantly anti-semetic.

Where did you come up with that from? I never once insinuated that Jews own Hollywood, that's entirely your own concoction. I said Hollywood wouldn't persecute him if he made the remarks about Muslims and it's true, they wouldn't. Not because they're "owned by Jews" but because the media in general isn't sensitive to anti-Muslim hate--that's why I referenced talk radio in my original post.

I could really care less whether you criticized the ADL

Sure sure...

 

[Doboji]

Well for sh!ts and giggles... why don't you add a poll to the effect of:

Since Mel Gibson was drunk, and apologized should he be excused from his anti-semetic comments?

See if people agree with you... or me?

 

[Drift3r]

This is more then just being drunk IMHO. Seriously how many drunks ask people especially cops what religion they are when they cuss at them ? Sometimes alcohol brings out the true person IMHO.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: GDaddy
you keep wanting to make this a Jew/muslim thing, who cares who he spoke bad about, its not ok, no matter who you are, how rich you are, or if you own Malibu or not. Did you also read how supposedly the sgt on duty wanted to edit all the racist remarks out of the report? And if you read his press release apology you will know he apologized for some things and not others.

And being drunk, even at .12, (cheap date) does not excuse Anyone from Any action.

So Mel Gibson should be persecuted for remarks he made while drunk? So are you saying anyone that makes abrasive/offensive comments while not in control of their actions should be held accountable for them later on even after apologizing? What is that, gestapo justice?

:thumbsup:

I don't particularly care about unproven claims of what he did while drunk.