The Anti-Semitism Card

[squirrel dog]

Well , its not like he robbed a jewry sto and made him a grill . And what ARE sugar tits ?

 

[Starbuck1975]

The sheriff's department has indicated the report posted on TMZ, including the anti-Semitic comments, is accurate. I find it sad that anyone would claim Gibson's remarks are NOT anti-Semitic when they obviously are.

Of course, given that the primary writer for and owner of TMZ is Jewish has nothing to do with the ridiculous amount of coverage that website is giving to this "scandal."

Also, Howard Stern mentioned this morning that one of the sheriffs involved in the incident is Jewish as well.

Not saying Mel Gibson didn't say what he did...he may very hate Jews...just think this thing is getting blown out of proportion, and there seems to be an agenda behind dragging Gibson through the mud and over the coals over this.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

The sheriff's department has indicated the report posted on TMZ, including the anti-Semitic comments, is accurate. I find it sad that anyone would claim Gibson's remarks are NOT anti-Semitic when they obviously are.

Of course, given that the primary writer for and owner of TMZ is Jewish has nothing to do with the ridiculous amount of coverage that website is giving to this "scandal."

Also, Howard Stern mentioned this morning that one of the sheriffs involved in the incident is Jewish as well.

Not saying Mel Gibson didn't say what he did...he may very hate Jews...just think this thing is getting blown out of proportion, and there seems to be an agenda behind dragging Gibson through the mud and over the coals over this.

Well Gibson is learning the hard way how hypersensitive the Jewish community can be. Sh!t like this happens when they've been persecuted by the Romans, Crusaders, Europeans, etc for centuries.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Of course, given that the primary writer for and owner of TMZ is Jewish has nothing to do with the ridiculous amount of coverage that website is giving to this "scandal."

Uh, that's kind of missing that for a relatively unknown website this is a huge story that they are responsible for breaking. Purely from the perspective of being a business decision it makes sense for them to hype the story as much as possible, especially because all sorts of new people are going to their website for the first time as a result of this story. It has nothing to do with whether one of the website's writers is Jewish or not.

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

You know, I get so sick of the politically correct in this country. Censorship when someone says something contrary or not of popular opinion. And then on top of that everyone is going to black ball him, and ruin his career over what most of the hypocrites in this country already do... and that is getting plastered on the booze and saying stuff thats offensive to people while drunk. At least the Japanese are more forgiving. The Japanese generally do not hold what you say against you while you are intoxicated. We all know, pretty much the majority of this country and other countries know that the Holocaust did happen, but does this mean that someone can't express their opinion about it or about other religions or races even if it is not well received? Personally I think the Tabloids and Media need to focus their attention on education and other areas of real newsworthy stuff.

 

[fjord]

Originally posted by: peachee
Whenever I hear "anti-semite" it no longer means any thing because it's used against people who voice an opinion that is against Israel's squeeky clean image.

Mel got arrested for drunk driving ... good as he should.

Does he have to apologize for saying jews cause wars? I mean, is that a crime to say that? How is that criminal again?

That's his view and other people share it.

Who hear thinks people should be arrested for speaking their opinion? Speak up?

You do realize that freedom of speech is one of the rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, no?

Well, Gibson and anti-semitism aside--

If your question is a general non-rhetorical question on freedom of speech..."Who hear thinks people should be arrested for speaking their opinion? Speak up?"

...then the answer is at least the Bush administration.

People get arrested and harrassed with some frequency here in the United States for speaking their opinion. Especially if its political in nature and critical of the present federal administration--and they don't have to be anti-semitic or driving drunk.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Uh, that's kind of missing that for a relatively unknown website this is a huge story that they are responsible for breaking. Purely from the perspective of being a business decision it makes sense for them to hype the story as much as possible, especially because all sorts of new people are going to their website for the first time as a result of this story. It has nothing to do with whether one of the website's writers is Jewish or not.

There are numerous celebrity gossip websites...most are reporting on the Gibson story, but TMZ is leading the speculation and accusation charge before the facts were out...hell, even Howard Stern, who is also Jewish and outraged by Gibson's comments, commented that TMZ is going a bit overboard in their presentation of the "facts." There is a distinction between a sound business decision (reporting the story) and an agenda (adding a slant to a story).

There are a lot of racial, religious and ethnic groups in America...the response to this story is not proportional to the alleged offense.

I wish I had a card to play for every time Italians are portrayed with negative stereotypes in our society...then again, it really doesn't bother me as I don't subscribe to political correctness.

Now, if it turns out that Mel, in his drunken stupor, made some anti Jewish remarks...well that is something he has to live with, although he is entitled to whatever twisted world view is inside his crazy celebrity mind...if those comments deserve an apology, so be it.

I am more outraged that he was driving under the influence, and apparently has done so on numerous occasions.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Now, if it turns out that Mel, in his drunken stupor, made some anti Jewish remarks...

I don't get what the deal is with everyone in this thread questioning reports on this issue after they have already quite definatively been established as accurate.

At this point Mel Gibson has actually released another statement admitting he made antisemitic remarks and apologizing for them.

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Actor Mel Gibson on Tuesday admitted making anti-Semitic remarks during his drunken driving arrest and appealed to the Jewish community to help him recover from his alcohol addiction.

"I'm not just asking for forgiveness," Gibson said in a statement issued through his publicist. "I would like to take it one step further, and meet with leaders in the Jewish community, with whom I can have a one on one discussion to discern the appropriate path for healing."

Gibson, 50, said, "There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of anti-Semitic remark."

He apologized to "everyone in the Jewish community."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/01/gibson.dui/index.html

 

[5150Joker]

So he's apologized for it since obviously he wasn't in a right state of mind. Lets see if the Jewish community and ADL decide to continue to punish or forgive him.

Edit: Doesn't look good so far, judging by this guys name (Ari) I'm guessing he's Jewish and doesn't care to forgive:

Influential talent agent Ari Emanuel has called for the movie community to boycott his future projects.

"At a time of escalating tensions in the world, the entertainment industry cannot idly stand by and allow Mel Gibson to get away with such tragically inflammatory statements," he wrote on the Huffington Post weblog.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5234142.stm



Now who here thinks anyone would've cared if Gibson had made the same remarks about Catholics, Protestants, Hindus or Muslims (esp. Muslims)? This molehill has been turned into a mountain because of the extreme sensitivity of the media towards anything negative about Jews. Everyone should get equal treatment yet I see Christianity, Islam and other faiths bashed without regard all the time. Where's the public outrage when people like Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and many others in the media make vitriolic comments about Muslims and Islam in general? I don't see Rupert Murdoch clamping down on this sort of rhetoric at all. If one religion (Judaism) is going to garner this much outrage over a few comments made by a drunken actor and go as far as punishing him (e.g. cancelling his film projects and advocating boycotts) then these people should direct the same outrage when other religions/ethnic groups/races whatever are attacked.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don't get what the deal is with everyone in this thread questioning reports on this issue after they have already quite definatively been established as accurate.

At this point, I don't think anyone can question the remarks...however, I do question the intent behind the witch hunt that began well before the facts became available.

Now who here thinks anyone would've cared if Gibson had made the same remarks about Catholics, Protestants, Hindus or Muslims (esp. Muslims)? This molehill has been turned into a mountain because of the extreme sensitivity of the media towards anything negative about Jews.

Exactly...had he gone into William Wallace mode, and went on a rant against the British, no one would care.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
So he's apologized for it since obviously he wasn't in a right state of mind. Lets see if the Jewish community and ADL decide to continue to punish or forgive him.

Edit: Doesn't look good so far, judging by this guys name (Ari) I'm guessing he's Jewish and doesn't care to forgive:

Influential talent agent Ari Emanuel has called for the movie community to boycott his future projects.

"At a time of escalating tensions in the world, the entertainment industry cannot idly stand by and allow Mel Gibson to get away with such tragically inflammatory statements," he wrote on the Huffington Post weblog.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5234142.stm



Now who here thinks anyone would've cared if Gibson had made the same remarks about Catholics, Protestants, Hindus or Muslims (esp. Muslims)? This molehill has been turned into a mountain because of the extreme sensitivity of the media towards anything negative about Jews. Everyone should get equal treatment yet I see Christianity, Islam and other faiths bashed without regard all the time. Where's the public outrage when people like Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and many others in the media make vitriolic comments about Muslims and Islam in general? I don't see Rupert Murdoch clamping down on this sort of rhetoric at all. If one religion (Judaism) is going to garner this much outrage over a few comments made by a drunken actor and go as far as punishing him (e.g. cancelling his film projects and advocating boycotts) then these people should direct the same outrage when other religions/ethnic groups/races whatever are attacked.

I can't believe you think everyone should just let it go just because he apologized... that is just ridiculous... Mel Gibson is a bigot... he can apologize for being a bigot all he wants but that doesn't absolve him of his bogotry. ESPECIALLY because he hasn't even admitted to the anti-semetic slurs, or for that matter refuted the ridiculous claims he made. Not that I would believe he was genuine even if he did refute them.

It's not a witch hunt when it's real.

I'm also so sick and tired of people coming up with the everyone else excuse... show me an example of a drunk bigotted actor making racist comments about someone else, and I'll agree with the boycotting of that actor. But to dismiss anti-semetism on the grounds of "noone cares when people are biggotted towards *X* people, so why should we care about anti-semetism" is so stupid as to borderline retardation.

Frankly as a Jew... if I were a movie maker, there is no way IN HELL I would let Mel Gibson work on, in or related to any movie I have any control over.

Would you expect Spike Lee to allow someone who is racist against black people *publicly* to preform on his set? NO FCKIN WAY...

So get your bigotted head out of your ass, and stop being such a damn Mel fanboi...

sheesh

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
You know, I get so sick of the politically correct in this country. Censorship when someone says something contrary or not of popular opinion. And then on top of that everyone is going to black ball him, and ruin his career over what most of the hypocrites in this country already do... and that is getting plastered on the booze and saying stuff thats offensive to people while drunk. At least the Japanese are more forgiving. The Japanese generally do not hold what you say against you while you are intoxicated. We all know, pretty much the majority of this country and other countries know that the Holocaust did happen, but does this mean that someone can't express their opinion about it or about other religions or races even if it is not well received? Personally I think the Tabloids and Media need to focus their attention on education and other areas of real newsworthy stuff.

Mel was perfectly within his rights to be a bigotted ass... but don't expect me to sit quietly and accept when ANYBODY pisses on my culture...

-Max

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
You know, I get so sick of the politically correct in this country. Censorship when someone says something contrary or not of popular opinion. And then on top of that everyone is going to black ball him, and ruin his career over what most of the hypocrites in this country already do... and that is getting plastered on the booze and saying stuff thats offensive to people while drunk. At least the Japanese are more forgiving. The Japanese generally do not hold what you say against you while you are intoxicated. We all know, pretty much the majority of this country and other countries know that the Holocaust did happen, but does this mean that someone can't express their opinion about it or about other religions or races even if it is not well received? Personally I think the Tabloids and Media need to focus their attention on education and other areas of real newsworthy stuff.

Mel was perfectly within his rights to be a bigotted ass... but don't expect me to sit quietly and accept when ANYBODY pisses on my culture...

-Max

I honestly don't know why this gets you so worked up. I'm Jewish too, and I don't give a rat's ass what Mel Gibson thinks or says. Why would I? He's one guy. It's not a revelatation to me that there are anti-semites around. What's one more hate-filled bigot? It's not like he's an elected official with the power to change policies.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
You know, I get so sick of the politically correct in this country. Censorship when someone says something contrary or not of popular opinion. And then on top of that everyone is going to black ball him, and ruin his career over what most of the hypocrites in this country already do... and that is getting plastered on the booze and saying stuff thats offensive to people while drunk. At least the Japanese are more forgiving. The Japanese generally do not hold what you say against you while you are intoxicated. We all know, pretty much the majority of this country and other countries know that the Holocaust did happen, but does this mean that someone can't express their opinion about it or about other religions or races even if it is not well received? Personally I think the Tabloids and Media need to focus their attention on education and other areas of real newsworthy stuff.

Mel was perfectly within his rights to be a bigotted ass... but don't expect me to sit quietly and accept when ANYBODY pisses on my culture...

-Max

I honestly don't know why this gets you so worked up. I'm Jewish too, and I don't give a rat's ass what Mel Gibson thinks or says. Why would I? He's one guy. It's not a revelatation to me that there are anti-semites around. What's one more hate-filled bigot? It's not like he's an elected official with the power to change policies.

I'm not particularly worked up to tell you the truth... but I'm not gonna let it slide either.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
You know, I get so sick of the politically correct in this country. Censorship when someone says something contrary or not of popular opinion. And then on top of that everyone is going to black ball him, and ruin his career over what most of the hypocrites in this country already do... and that is getting plastered on the booze and saying stuff thats offensive to people while drunk. At least the Japanese are more forgiving. The Japanese generally do not hold what you say against you while you are intoxicated. We all know, pretty much the majority of this country and other countries know that the Holocaust did happen, but does this mean that someone can't express their opinion about it or about other religions or races even if it is not well received? Personally I think the Tabloids and Media need to focus their attention on education and other areas of real newsworthy stuff.

Mel was perfectly within his rights to be a bigotted ass... but don't expect me to sit quietly and accept when ANYBODY pisses on my culture...

-Max

I honestly don't know why this gets you so worked up. I'm Jewish too, and I don't give a rat's ass what Mel Gibson thinks or says. Why would I? He's one guy. It's not a revelatation to me that there are anti-semites around. What's one more hate-filled bigot? It's not like he's an elected official with the power to change policies.

I'm not particularly worked up to tell you the truth... but I'm not gonna let it slide either.

You think that's bad, there was a poll where most respondents stated they wouldn't let their daughters marry Atheists. Now if that had been Jews instead of Atheists all hell would have broken out.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
You know, I get so sick of the politically correct in this country. Censorship when someone says something contrary or not of popular opinion. And then on top of that everyone is going to black ball him, and ruin his career over what most of the hypocrites in this country already do... and that is getting plastered on the booze and saying stuff thats offensive to people while drunk. At least the Japanese are more forgiving. The Japanese generally do not hold what you say against you while you are intoxicated. We all know, pretty much the majority of this country and other countries know that the Holocaust did happen, but does this mean that someone can't express their opinion about it or about other religions or races even if it is not well received? Personally I think the Tabloids and Media need to focus their attention on education and other areas of real newsworthy stuff.

Mel was perfectly within his rights to be a bigotted ass... but don't expect me to sit quietly and accept when ANYBODY pisses on my culture...

-Max

I honestly don't know why this gets you so worked up. I'm Jewish too, and I don't give a rat's ass what Mel Gibson thinks or says. Why would I? He's one guy. It's not a revelatation to me that there are anti-semites around. What's one more hate-filled bigot? It's not like he's an elected official with the power to change policies.

I'm not particularly worked up to tell you the truth... but I'm not gonna let it slide either.

You think that's bad, there was a poll where most respondents stated they wouldn't let their daughters marry Atheists. Now if that had been Jews instead of Atheists all hell would have broken out.

Atheism is hardly a culture...

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Doboji

I can't believe you think everyone should just let it go just because he apologized... that is just ridiculous... Mel Gibson is a bigot... he can apologize for being a bigot all he wants but that doesn't absolve him of his bogotry. ESPECIALLY because he hasn't even admitted to the anti-semetic slurs, or for that matter refuted the ridiculous claims he made. Not that I would believe he was genuine even if he did refute them.

He's admitted to making the "anti-semitic" comments while drunk and not in a proper frame of mind. He's gone as far as apologizing for them and offered to meet with Jewish groups, talk about going above and beyond. Now do you get outraged when similar comments are made about Muslim, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs or Athiests? I doubt it.

It's not a witch hunt when it's real.

Actually since you brought it up, it is a witch hunt. This is always the case anytime someone makes a remotely derogatory comment about Jews.

I'm also so sick and tired of people coming up with the everyone else excuse... show me an example of a drunk bigotted actor making racist comments about someone else, and I'll agree with the boycotting of that actor. But to dismiss anti-semetism on the grounds of "noone cares when people are biggotted towards *X* people, so why should we care about anti-semetism" is so stupid as to borderline retardation.

I've listed the names of bigoted people that make anti-Muslim/Arab comments all the time. Where's your outrage? Where's the Jewish communities outrage and solidarity with them? Like I said, I don't see you guys standing up for anyone else or demanding boycotts when other faiths are attacked yet you demand the world be turned upside down if the Jewish faith is slighted in the least.

Frankly as a Jew... if I were a movie maker, there is no way IN HELL I would let Mel Gibson work on, in or related to any movie I have any control over.

No surprise there, you'd probably blacklist his kids from college and a career if you could or even throw Mel Gibson in prison if it was in your power.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
You know, I get so sick of the politically correct in this country. Censorship when someone says something contrary or not of popular opinion. And then on top of that everyone is going to black ball him, and ruin his career over what most of the hypocrites in this country already do... and that is getting plastered on the booze and saying stuff thats offensive to people while drunk. At least the Japanese are more forgiving. The Japanese generally do not hold what you say against you while you are intoxicated. We all know, pretty much the majority of this country and other countries know that the Holocaust did happen, but does this mean that someone can't express their opinion about it or about other religions or races even if it is not well received? Personally I think the Tabloids and Media need to focus their attention on education and other areas of real newsworthy stuff.

Mel was perfectly within his rights to be a bigotted ass... but don't expect me to sit quietly and accept when ANYBODY pisses on my culture...

-Max

I honestly don't know why this gets you so worked up. I'm Jewish too, and I don't give a rat's ass what Mel Gibson thinks or says. Why would I? He's one guy. It's not a revelatation to me that there are anti-semites around. What's one more hate-filled bigot? It's not like he's an elected official with the power to change policies.

I'm not particularly worked up to tell you the truth... but I'm not gonna let it slide either.

You think that's bad, there was a poll where most respondents stated they wouldn't let their daughters marry Atheists. Now if that had been Jews instead of Atheists all hell would have broken out.

Atheism is hardly a culture...

So you are better than Atheists? What a fscking bigot!

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Doboji


Atheism is hardly a culture...

Bigot! Taken from Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: 1cul·ture
Pronunciation: 'k&l-ch&r
Function: noun

the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group;



Seems to me athiests are a culture just as much as yours is but I guess they don't count in your world. See how easy it is to sling the word bigot around? Now that we've established you're a bigot, your career should come to a halt and you should make 10 apologies per day to all the athiests of the world.

 

[noto12ious]

:thumbsup: for Mel Gibson.

 

[Termagant]

Atheism may not be a "culture" but the poll still indicates prejudice.

And if the respondents didn't want their daughters marrying atheists for religious reasons, whats wrong with being against marrying Jews because of religious reasons?

The hypocrisy of some people is amazing.....

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Doboji

I can't believe you think everyone should just let it go just because he apologized... that is just ridiculous... Mel Gibson is a bigot... he can apologize for being a bigot all he wants but that doesn't absolve him of his bogotry. ESPECIALLY because he hasn't even admitted to the anti-semetic slurs, or for that matter refuted the ridiculous claims he made. Not that I would believe he was genuine even if he did refute them.

He's admitted to making the "anti-semitic" comments while drunk and not in a proper frame of mind. He's gone as far as apologizing for them and offered to meet with Jewish groups, talk about going above and beyond. Now do you get outraged when similar comments are made about Muslim, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs or Athiests? I doubt it.

It's not a witch hunt when it's real.

Actually since you brought it up, it is a witch hunt. This is always the case anytime someone makes a remotely derogatory comment about Jews.

I'm also so sick and tired of people coming up with the everyone else excuse... show me an example of a drunk bigotted actor making racist comments about someone else, and I'll agree with the boycotting of that actor. But to dismiss anti-semetism on the grounds of "noone cares when people are biggotted towards *X* people, so why should we care about anti-semetism" is so stupid as to borderline retardation.

I've listed the names of bigoted people that make anti-Muslim/Arab comments all the time. Where's your outrage? Where's the Jewish communities outrage and solidarity with them? Like I said, I don't see you guys standing up for anyone else or demanding boycotts when other faiths are attacked yet you demand the world be turned upside down if the Jewish faith is slighted in the least.

Frankly as a Jew... if I were a movie maker, there is no way IN HELL I would let Mel Gibson work on, in or related to any movie I have any control over.

No surprise there, you'd probably blacklist his kids from college and a career if you could or even throw Mel Gibson in prison if it was in your power.

What confuses me is why you are so hellbound and determined to defend Gibson.

However I'll work through your arguments one by one.

1) I would still call Gibson bigotted if he called out any other ethnic group in the same way... and I would still think of him as a scumbucket... and yes to answer your question... people like Ann Coulter ARE bigots... just as bad as Mel Gibson... just as they should be called out for who they are... so should your hero.

2) This isn't a somewhat "remote" comment about jews.. this is pretty blatant anti-semetic comments... or do you think attacking Gibson's father for denying the holocaust is also a witchhunt?

I wouldn't blacklist Mel's children... his children didn't make comments... Mel did... and I don't believe he should be in prison... I've expressed this countless times, and yet you refuse to acknowledge it... regardless of whether I had the power or not, I do not believe Mel's comments were illegal.... But I am glad he is being called out for the scum he is.

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Termagant
Atheism may not be a "culture" but the poll still indicates prejudice.

And if the respondents didn't want their daughters marrying atheists for religious reasons, whats wrong with being against marrying Jews because of religious reasons?

The hypocrisy of some people is amazing.....

Nothing... there is nothing wrong with not wanting to marry jews for religious reasons...
Who said there was?

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Doboji


Atheism is hardly a culture...

Bigot! Taken from Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: 1cul·ture
Pronunciation: 'k&l-ch&r
Function: noun

the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group;



Seems to me athiests are a culture just as much as yours is but I guess they don't count in your world. See how easy it is to sling the word bigot around? Now that we've established you're a bigot, your career should come to a halt and you should make 10 apologies per day to all the athiests of the world.

Grasping at straws are we?

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Termagant
Atheism may not be a "culture" but the poll still indicates prejudice.

And if the respondents didn't want their daughters marrying atheists for religious reasons, whats wrong with being against marrying Jews because of religious reasons?

The hypocrisy of some people is amazing.....

Nothing... there is nothing wrong with not wanting to marry jews for religious reasons...
Who said there was?

OK, so what about not wanting to do business with Jews for religious reasons?