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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
21,195
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You're a whole lot smart enough to leave the difficult jobs to the pros rather than getting yourself wading in DIY knee deep doodoo with the pro coming in afterward being really pissed off having to go the extra mile to unfuck and clean up the mess the do-it-yerselfer left behind for them.

Happens quite often where somebody off the street brings in something to our shop that they really screwed up trying to Macgyver their way into a fix, when all it did was make things worse, especially when it's parts that need an overhead crane to move it around.
You can fix most mechanical things just by being careful when you take them apart. In a house, pretty much everything is straight forward. Framing, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, siding roofing, tile, it's all just work, no magic.
 
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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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What on earth makes you think that? I didn't chance it and have no confidence he would have been up to the task. My friend just retired plumber was way too smart to watch FN and he couldn't fix it. Why would I expect that other guy to be able to? He is obviously a dunce. And you aren't too smart yourself, as we all know.
I'd be careful about the not to bright remarks, I'm not the fellow who just paid $2k to have 2 bundles of shingles replaced. Though I don't know if any of the roofers I know would have passed your political purity test.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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You can fix most mechanical things just by being careful when you take them apart. In a house, pretty much everything is straight forward. Framing, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, siding roofing, tile, it's all just work, no magic.

Sure, for some folks it's all no-brainer things to deal with. For others it's a matter of life and death, especially around things electrical. Even pros screw up from being so used to doing something, it becomes rote and that's where the got'cha Gods comes rolling in that requires a trip to the hospital to fix things up. Then there's the issue of a person being physically incapable of accomplishing something so menial like unclogging a sink trap or re-screening a screen door. I've seen a trades guy stick a sawzall into a sheetrock wall and mangle the wiring behind it just as I've seen this other guy unknowingly cut through a load bearing stud to make a sunken cubby hole juuuussst where he wanted it. I've also seen the same thing happen when a friend of mine cut a hole high up on a wall to install an AC unit, not trying to find out where the studs were beforehand.

In some instances screwing things up can be easy and cheap to fix whereas screwing other things up can cost thousands of $$$ to unfuck. This is where a proper risk to benefit assessment needs to be made by a DIY'er who may not have the knowledge and experience to keep themselves out of trouble. I've been in attics where the carpenters who's supposed to have nailed sheets of plywood to the rafters completely missed the 2x4's all the way across the board and never bothered to check their work, yet the roof clips were installed right where the nails sticking through the roof next to the rafters were.

Mechanicals are even worse for a novice DIY'er to take on. And to don't even get me started on the things I've seen where power tools were involved like (this one's a classic) watching an old circular saw run across the floor right in front of me extention cord whipping through the air or 4 inch grinders hopping and doing flips on the floor with the operator doing a fancy jig trying to tame the thing down.

And hey, thanks for having me take a trip down memory lane. I was lol'ing all the time I was keyboarding my way through that.

edit - Forgot to add that yes, I've done more than my share of stupid shit that got me paying medical bills and parts bills I never expected or could afford to pay.
 
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Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
32,395
11,415
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You're a whole lot smart enough to leave the difficult jobs to the pros rather than getting yourself wading in DIY knee deep doodoo with the pro coming in afterward being really pissed off having to go the extra mile to unfuck and clean up the mess the do-it-yerselfer left behind for them.

Happens quite often where somebody off the street brings in something to our shop that they really screwed up trying to Macgyver their way into a fix, when all it did was make things worse, especially when it's parts that need an overhead crane to move it around.
If I need specialized tools/equipment I will usually leave it to the pros. There's plenty of stuff I can DIY, but I know there are limits.

And sometimes it's not even about capability but speed - or getting the project done at all. I'm refinishing a standard 10x10 guest room. it's probably going to take me 4 months on and off. it would be done in a few weeks if I hired someone to do all the work between installing lights, fixing the drywall, painting, and flooring.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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I didn't give a shit if you have two masters degrees and vote for Trump or you are a plumber and vote for Trump - either way you are the same piece of shit to me, whether you are dumb, ignorant, greedy, or love the hate. You're just a piece of shit where it counts the most.

@Greenman doesn't like that a raging narcissist delusional pathologically lying famousperson doesn't get input and special treatment, unlike any other famous figure in a biopic, because Trump turns GreenMan on. Trump and Green Man share the same values and he doesn't like that his preferred candidate he is voting for has to deal with the truth about his life. They're both giant pieces of shit.
 
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BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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It’s a work of pure fiction, not a documentary. If you want a documentary, go watch Trump’s American Dream on Netflix or better yet, the amazing PBS Frontline documentary “American Carnage”.

I rarely see movies in theaters—when I do, it’s for movies with amazing sound and visual effects (I.e. Twisters, TG: Maverick, Marvel’s billion dollar turd blossoms etc.) Otherwise I’d rather watch something like this at home. I’ll probably stream it when I can just to see Jeremy Strong as Cohn—not sure what’s kind of award buzz he’s getting but he can kill in this role.
It seems to me that anything purporting to be docu-drama must be examined against sources of factual verification. You call it a work of pure fiction, but I cannot see how you can honestly say that you know it. Nor do I.

There are many sources. Even as you might speculate about the dimension of family feud informing Mary Trump -- his niece -- her book might suggest a check reference for the movie. On the other hand, the movie may use her book as a basis in addition to several other sources, such as newspaper, independent interviews with people in Trump's life, and so forth. Michael Cohen certainly had something to say.

If you watched the Bourne trilogy movies with Matt Damon, does it really provide a basis for believing that CIA manufactures hypno-assassins? To the uneducated and naive, they might walk away with that conclusion. Take for instance the movie "Bourne Legacy". In that movie, the plot suggests that viruses can be used to alter someone's DNA or otherwise make temporary changes permanent.

So this myth was apparently put forward by Trump supporters who were also anti-vaxxers -- people who probably walked around in public infecting anyone who didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated.

"Dr. Fauci will alter your DNA and you'll never be the same! You'll be a Federal mind-control guinea pig! I saw it in a movie! . . . . . "

There are just a large number of Americans who have shit for brains and probably don't help the country when they cast their votes.

I certainly do agree with you about the Frontline documentary. What I cannot understand is how many respected sources of fact and information are disparaged by the RWNJ's because they don't like the message, and hope to kill the messenger.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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It seems to me that anything purporting to be docu-drama must be examined against sources of factual verification. You call it a work of pure fiction, but I cannot see how you can honestly say that you know it. Nor do I.

There are many sources. Even as you might speculate about the dimension of family feud informing Mary Trump -- his niece -- her book might suggest a check reference for the movie. On the other hand, the movie may use her book as a basis in addition to several other sources, such as newspaper, independent interviews with people in Trump's life, and so forth. Michael Cohen certainly had something to say.

If you watched the Bourne trilogy movies with Matt Damon, does it really provide a basis for believing that CIA manufactures hypno-assassins? To the uneducated and naive, they might walk away with that conclusion. Take for instance the movie "Bourne Legacy". In that movie, the plot suggests that viruses can be used to alter someone's DNA or otherwise make temporary changes permanent.

So this myth was apparently put forward by Trump supporters who were also anti-vaxxers -- people who probably walked around in public infecting anyone who didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated.

"Dr. Fauci will alter your DNA and you'll never be the same! You'll be a Federal mind-control guinea pig! I saw it in a movie! . . . . . "

There are just a large number of Americans who have shit for brains and probably don't help the country when they cast their votes.

I certainly do agree with you about the Frontline documentary. What I cannot understand is how many respected sources of fact and information are disparaged by the RWNJ's because they don't like the message, and hope to kill the messenger.

Trump and his dumbed down RWNJ's have been running from the truth from the day Trump announced his candidacy and whenever the fact checked truth catches up with them they run even faster hoping to always stay a step ahead of the truth and even the law. Many have gotten exhausted from their escape and evade routine and just flat out slap the "so what?" bumper sticker on their foreheads and stand their ground with that as their defiant battle cry while climbing the ever growing mountain of lies that Trump has been ramping up wholesale this year. So many of his cultists have given up trying to stay ahead of Trump's nonsensical rants and simply remain silent over Trump's ludicrous diatribes rather than trying to defend the indefensible.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
32,395
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I certainly do agree with you about the Frontline documentary. What I cannot understand is how many respected sources of fact and information are disparaged by the RWNJ's because they don't like the message, and hope to kill the messenger.
1) Because it doesn't fit their narrative
2) Because it works
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
38,922
9,006
136
I'd be careful about the not to bright remarks, I'm not the fellow who just paid $2k to have 2 bundles of shingles replaced. Though I don't know if any of the roofers I know would have passed your political purity test.
I engaged the low bidder, couldn't get any more bidders over here. Weather is coming. The job is done, and you were NO HELP finding a better bidder. I don't have a political purity test but an avowal that a guy is a Fox News watcher tells me that he is a DUNCE and if a job requires intelligence a DUNCE is not who I want doing it.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
70,733
29,885
136
I'd be careful about the not to bright remarks, I'm not the fellow who just paid $2k to have 2 bundles of shingles replaced. Though I don't know if any of the roofers I know would have passed your political purity test.
The roofers around here wouldn’t pass your racial purity test.
 
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Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
21,195
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136
Sure, for some folks it's all no-brainer things to deal with. For others it's a matter of life and death, especially around things electrical. Even pros screw up from being so used to doing something, it becomes rote and that's where the got'cha Gods comes rolling in that requires a trip to the hospital to fix things up. Then there's the issue of a person being physically incapable of accomplishing something so menial like unclogging a sink trap or re-screening a screen door. I've seen a trades guy stick a sawzall into a sheetrock wall and mangle the wiring behind it just as I've seen this other guy unknowingly cut through a load bearing stud to make a sunken cubby hole juuuussst where he wanted it. I've also seen the same thing happen when a friend of mine cut a hole high up on a wall to install an AC unit, not trying to find out where the studs were beforehand.

In some instances screwing things up can be easy and cheap to fix whereas screwing other things up can cost thousands of $$$ to unfuck. This is where a proper risk to benefit assessment needs to be made by a DIY'er who may not have the knowledge and experience to keep themselves out of trouble. I've been in attics where the carpenters who's supposed to have nailed sheets of plywood to the rafters completely missed the 2x4's all the way across the board and never bothered to check their work, yet the roof clips were installed right where the nails sticking through the roof next to the rafters were.

Mechanicals are even worse for a novice DIY'er to take on. And to don't even get me started on the things I've seen where power tools were involved like (this one's a classic) watching an old circular saw run across the floor right in front of me extention cord whipping through the air or 4 inch grinders hopping and doing flips on the floor with the operator doing a fancy jig trying to tame the thing down.

And hey, thanks for having me take a trip down memory lane. I was lol'ing all the time I was keyboarding my way through that.

edit - Forgot to add that yes, I've done more than my share of stupid shit that got me paying medical bills and parts bills I never expected or could afford to pay.

The roofers around here wouldn’t pass your racial purity test.
I'm actually surprised you'd say something that stupid, though I suppose I shouldn't be.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
37,088
29,423
136
You can fix most mechanical things just by being careful when you take them apart. In a house, pretty much everything is straight forward. Framing, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, siding roofing, tile, it's all just work, no magic.
With that logic you should be able to perform open heart surgery. After all it's just cutting, cauterizing and stitching with the occasional bandage.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
70,733
29,885
136
I'm actually surprised you'd say something that stupid, though I suppose I shouldn't be.
You've already stated that you will use your power as a voter to empower Trump, a man with overt racial suppression policy proposals. When you vote for a racist with a racist policy agenda, people like me are going to call you a racist.
 
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