The AT Battlefield 4 F.A.Q., News, and Discussion thread

[DeadFred]

I wonder how do they want to achieve this, because all the data are physically present in some files and have to be changed somehow.

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15/10/2013 07:06 <DarkLord7854> adrinex: we removed lockon for rpg
15/10/2013 07:07 <DarkLord7854> though you're not supposed to know that yet

whoa!

Lovely, now they can just muck up the weapons at will. At least we got a month or so of decent gunplay from BF3 before they nerfed everything.

If true, the removal of lock on RPG is great news. That was the dumbest thing Ive seen in a while.

 

[SketchMaster]

Lovely, now they can just muck up the weapons at will. At least we got a month or so of decent gunplay from BF3 before they nerfed everything.

If true, the removal of lock on RPG is great news. That was the dumbest thing Ive seen in a while.

It had my friend and I screaming at the game trying to figure out WTH was going on, we thought it was a glitch!

 

[dougp]

Ah, great, so air rape will continue to be worse.

 

[GullyFoyle]

I used to maintain an AT to Origin in the BF3 server and Origin thread. I'm sure its out of date, but most of the people who post in this thread are on that list.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32712732&postcount=746

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2194491

Just add people and join their games. I think there was also two Anandtech platoons. One was full, but the other had space the last time I looked at it.

Gully, you should copy and paste the names in my post and put it in the first page of this thread, or have a link in the first post to the old Origin page or maybe start a new one.

List added to the second Post of the first page. pm me additions or corrections.

 

[smackababy]

Ah, great, so air rape will continue to be worse.

But think how much fun those kids in their jets will have? Not like lock on GtA missiles did anything in BF3... Lock on RPGs wouldn't either. 31 other people on your team and you're always the only person shooting at the helicopters / jets. So, they just pop their flares and go about raping.

 

[DeadFred]

I went back to BF3's TDM for the first time since the beta this morning, felt a little weird for a while. I definitely dont see the gunplay as being better or tighter in BF3 as some here have described it. The first and worst thing I noticed was the awful high ping oddities, since 90% of the players had 120+ pings on US server I was on. I dont remember seeing that in the beta, not sure if there were just less of them or if the netcode may be different. "crosses fingers that netcode is better"

I also will not miss the random bullet deviation or suppression.

 

[dougp]

But think how much fun those kids in their jets will have? Not like lock on GtA missiles did anything in BF3... Lock on RPGs wouldn't either. 31 other people on your team and you're always the only person shooting at the helicopters / jets. So, they just pop their flares and go about raping.

They just need to allow more AA vehicles.

 

[DeadFred]

But think how much fun those kids in their jets will have? Not like lock on GtA missiles did anything in BF3... Lock on RPGs wouldn't either. 31 other people on your team and you're always the only person shooting at the helicopters / jets. So, they just pop their flares and go about raping.

What server is this!?!?! Thats where I want to fly. Whenever I play its insta SOFLAM lock on takeoff, and Im lucky to last more than a few minutes dodging all the stingers and heatseekers launched at my helo.

 

[2is]

I read in the battlelog forums that the RPG lock on was in the beta to test the lock on feature since the weapons that actually can lock on in real life weren't made available in the beta. They said that in the retail build, RPGs will not lock on.

 

[smackababy]

What server is this!?!?! Thats where I want to fly. Whenever I play its insta SOFLAM lock on takeoff, and Im lucky to last more than a few minutes dodging all the stingers and heatseekers launched at my helo.

I don't know about for BF4, but every BF3 map I've played has had nobody shooting at aircrafts except me. It is maddening how easy it is use a jet / helicopter once you unlock flares in BF3.

 

[akahoovy]

I hope finding a suitable HC server will be easier than all that makes it sound. Hopefully there will be filters we can set to make it easier to find exactly what we want. I must have low TTK and no 3d spotting, the rest I can deal with.

Yea, 3D spotting has worn out its welcome with me. Being shot or followed because someone called out my location and a triangle is giving me away definitely removes some immersion. Plus I'm crafty, I can lose or confuse people because I think a few steps ahead.

 

[dougp]

What server is this!?!?! Thats where I want to fly. Whenever I play its insta SOFLAM lock on takeoff, and Im lucky to last more than a few minutes dodging all the stingers and heatseekers launched at my helo.

This has more to do with the limitation of weapons available than anything.

As I said above, my engineer has 4 Stingers. I had my first Stinger miss because of flares while the other 3 hit and I still couldn't kill a helicopter. Hell, while driving the boat, I put all shots from the main cannon into a helicopter and it wouldn't go down.

No offense, but there needs to be some legit counters against aircraft, particularly in pubs. Not all teams are coordinated - hell, despite 6 snipers, I had a bitch time getting them to pull up SOFLAM.

BF3 was pretty much ruined for me because of air vehicles - I just stuck to the "small" cargo maps because of it.

 

[Barfo]

It was stupid to get Premium right now.

why?

 

[Grooveriding]

Its not like it won't gobble server CPU and bandwidth

That's true enough, didn't look at it that way. Not sure I should of even bothered to order 70 players rather than 66, but because there is no clarity right now, I didn't want to take the chance the server could be limited to 60 players + 2 commanders due to people occupying spectator slots.

 

[Childs]

This has more to do with the limitation of weapons available than anything.

As I said above, my engineer has 4 Stingers. I had my first Stinger miss because of flares while the other 3 hit and I still couldn't kill a helicopter. Hell, while driving the boat, I put all shots from the main cannon into a helicopter and it wouldn't go down.

No offense, but there needs to be some legit counters against aircraft, particularly in pubs. Not all teams are coordinated - hell, despite 6 snipers, I had a bitch time getting them to pull up SOFLAM.

BF3 was pretty much ruined for me because of air vehicles - I just stuck to the "small" cargo maps because of it.

At least in BF2, BF1942 and Bad Company 2 there were AA stations that could take down aircraft. In BF3 they were weak, and positioned in a way that made them totally useless, unless the aircraft was trying to base rape.

 

[smackababy]

At least in BF2, BF1942 and Bad Company 2 there were AA stations that could take down aircraft. In BF3 they were weak, and positioned in a way that made them totally useless, unless the aircraft was trying to base rape.

BC2 put AA in good places. In BF2, jet rape still occurred quite often and a good heli pilot could also put some air rape down. BF3, it was like after the first couple days of release, everyone had flares and were invincible.

 

[DeadFred]

I don't know about for BF4, but every BF3 map I've played has had nobody shooting at aircrafts except me. It is maddening how easy it is use a jet / helicopter once you unlock flares in BF3.

DeathDealer7177 <---Add me to your friends list, I wanna fly in these servers!

This has more to do with the limitation of weapons available than anything.

As I said above, my engineer has 4 Stingers. I had my first Stinger miss because of flares while the other 3 hit and I still couldn't kill a helicopter. Hell, while driving the boat, I put all shots from the main cannon into a helicopter and it wouldn't go down.

No offense, but there needs to be some legit counters against aircraft, particularly in pubs. Not all teams are coordinated - hell, despite 6 snipers, I had a bitch time getting them to pull up SOFLAM.

BF3 was pretty much ruined for me because of air vehicles - I just stuck to the "small" cargo maps because of it.

The BF4 beta helos had the Maintenance upgrade on by default so the helos healed quickly from damage. I could never bring any down with stingers, but locked on RPG's and guided tank shells were 1 hit kills.

In BF3 it seemed once anyone realized you were doing well in a helo, three fourths of the opposing team would grab stingers and javs while the other quarter pulled out soflams. D:

Jets were another story since a good pilot would just outrun any missiles and continue on his merry way. I never felt very threatened by jets while ground pounding though and they cant cap a flag from the air.

 

[Childs]

BC2 put AA in good places. In BF2, jet rape still occurred quite often and a good heli pilot could also put some air rape down. BF3, it was like after the first couple days of release, everyone had flares and were invincible.

Yeah, it was worse in BF2 than BC2, but the AA stations where enough of a deterrent that you could get jets to back off, or at least preoccupy them. I would usually end up repairing them while someone would be using it, or vice versa. If the jets where occupied with the AA stations, then that usually meant our team could take off in the aircraft and do what they should be doing.

And yeah, the stingers were good for a sec, then they nerfed the range and with the low cool down rate on the flares it was impossible to lock on to anyone unless the pilot didnt know what they were doing.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I don't know about for BF4, but every BF3 map I've played has had nobody shooting at aircrafts except me. It is maddening how easy it is use a jet / helicopter once you unlock flares in BF3.

I just completely ignore the aircraft and they really don't bother me unless I'm in a tank/other vehicle.

 

[DeadFred]

BC2 put AA in good places. In BF2, jet rape still occurred quite often and a good heli pilot could also put some air rape down. BF3, it was like after the first couple days of release, everyone had flares and were invincible.

After they took away the gunners flares they were far from invincible. Fire one stinger they pop flares or ecm, fire second stinger disabled, third finished him off. Add in the fact that tanks, AA, jets, and everyone else are firing at you at the same time.... AARGH!

Oh and on HC the stinger demolished you with one hit.

 

[Childs]

I just completely ignore the aircraft and they really don't bother me unless I'm in a tank/other vehicle.

When I used to play with expandas, we could dominate a map in either the attack helo or transport. Like 50-2, 70-5, etc. I had a video on my YT channel before it was shut down that showed us overcoming a 200pt deficit in the middle of a round just by using the transport chopper. When the helis turn on infantry and tanks, its good night irene. Maybe thats the way it should be, but then they should have more air vehicles or bring back effective AA. If some noob keeps getting in your air vehicles, you would lose bad.

 

[DeadFred]

I dont know why they even had stationary AA in BF3, its location made it as useless as tits on a boar hog.

 

[DeadFred]

When I used to play with expandas, we could dominate a map in either the attack helo or transport. Like 50-2, 70-5, etc. I had a video on my YT channel before it was shut down that showed us overcoming a 200pt deficit in the middle of a round just by using the transport chopper. When the helis turn on infantry and tanks, its good night irene. Maybe thats the way it should be, but then they should have more air vehicles. If some noob keeps getting in your air, you would lose bad.

Yes, but Expandas is a rare beast!

Ive only seen a handful of pilots like that in pub servers. Give me control of the mobile AA and Ill take ya down at least a few times in a match. ;D

 

[DeadFred]

That reminds me of another thing in the BF4 beta. The mini guns in the transport chopper seemed to do nearly nothing against anything other than other choppers. You had to pepper a rooftop sniper with what seemed like 100 hits to kill him, and you could forget about hurting a ground vehicle.

 

[Childs]

Yes, but Expandas is a rare beast!

Ive only seen a handful of pilots like that in pub servers. Give me control of the mobile AA and Ill take ya down at least a few times in a match. ;D

It wasnt just with expandas, but he does inflate the numbers because he's a damn good pilot. When I could get in the gunner seat with a decent pilot, I would destroy everything on the ground. I really should learn how to fly...I've only been playing BF for like 10 years.