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Stuka87

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Dec 10, 2010
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yes it is. you can shoot at air targets with direct fire mode. and its fire and forget IRL


anything else about the javelin you want to point out

I am aware the real missile is fire and forget, I was stating in the game that it does not appear to be.

As for attacking air targets, there are two javelins. There is the American FGM-148, which is an anti-tank missile with top-attack and direct-attack modes. This missile is not intended for anti-air, nor have I ever heard of it being successfully used as a surface-to-air missile system.

There is then the British built surface-to-air missile system. Which has nothing in common with the FGM-148.
 

smackababy

Lifer
Oct 30, 2008
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I am aware the real missile is fire and forget, I was stating in the game that it does not appear to be.

As for attacking air targets, there are two javelins. There is the American FGM-148, which is an anti-tank missile with top-attack and direct-attack modes. This missile is not intended for anti-air, nor have I ever heard of it being successfully used as a surface-to-air missile system.

There is then the British built surface-to-air missile system. Which has nothing in common with the FGM-148.

According to Wikipedia (yes, terrible source, but it is sited with a source for this) the Javelin in direct fire mode is used against helicopters. "This missile also has the ability to engage helicopters in the direct attack mode."
 

Zargon

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I am aware the real missile is fire and forget, I was stating in the game that it does not appear to be.
From what I have read it is no longer fire and forget. You have to stay aiming at the target. Which is more like how its used IRL.

maybe your hands and brain werent seeing eye to eye? it happens, to me quite often

As for attacking air targets, there are two javelins. There is the American FGM-148, which is an anti-tank missile with top-attack and direct-attack modes. This missile is not intended for anti-air, nor have I ever heard of it being successfully used as a surface-to-air missile system.

There is then the British built surface-to-air missile system. Which has nothing in common with the FGM-148.

the FGM-148 has a pretty low altitude envelope, but I have heard of it being used to shoot down low flying helos.

I believe its max A is 500ft

its very possible that reports of it didnt realize there is also a different javelin AA missle launcher
 

smackababy

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the FGM-148 has a pretty low altitude envelope, but I have heard of it being used to shoot down low flying helos.

I believe its max A is 500ft

its very possible that reports of it didnt realize there is also a different javelin AA missle launcher

60 meters in direct fire mode isn't exactly super low. I can see hitting a helo hovering pretty easy. That is almost 200ft above ground.
 

Ackmed

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Oct 1, 2003
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seeing that RPGs lock on i cant really see the point of having the Jav

I saw the lock icon like in BF3, but didn't fire like a Jav.

Its in the game..

From what I have read it is no longer fire and forget. You have to stay aiming at the target. Which is more like how its used IRL.

I am mostly hoping its limited to ground only targets. As it is not used for air targets IRL, why should it be in the game?

I looked at future unlocks for Engineer, I didn't see it? Haven't seen anyone use it. I just assumed it wasn't in the beta. I don't mind it not working on air targets. But I do love taking out choppers in BF3 with them, not gonna lie. I know how they work IRL, I've shot a few
 

GoodRevrnd

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RPG lock requires a recon spotter laser designating a target. JAVs lock on their own (but I think laser deg speeds it up).
 

Stuka87

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I am aware the real missile is fire and forget, I was stating in the game that it does not appear to be.
maybe your hands and brain werent seeing eye to eye? it happens, to me quite often



the FGM-148 has a pretty low altitude envelope, but I have heard of it being used to shoot down low flying helos.

I believe its max A is 500ft

its very possible that reports of it didnt realize there is also a different javelin AA missle launcher

Yeah, I did not re-read that post before I hit submit.

And I can see it hitting a mostly stationary chopper. However in BF3 you could shoot down jets if you timed things right and had a sniper laser designator up.
 

Worthington

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Apr 29, 2005
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Man, I was fine before the patch. Now I've locked up twice at the loading screen only to find that once I managed to get in game that it wiped all my settings (video, Keybinds, etc). Now, the game is crashing when I try to map my middle mouse tilt functions.. WTF

Was working fine before. Sigh. gogo Beta
 

DeadFred

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Jun 4, 2011
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Just for fun, I give you the BF 4teleporter! (hopefully it wasn't posted before)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI1PjO7rrIA

Also some other crazy stuff seen in Beta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZNkl0Kqp98&feature=c4-overview&list=UUMuAor3dRed_IyrkKGzQ69Q
LOL

Ive had several insane Killed in Action deaths that made me say, "wtf". One was very similar to the #2 in that video. I ejected from a damaged helo and was struck by the rotor which sent my body flipping and flying across the map toward the sea.

I remember seeing those "stretch man" things from #1 in BF3's beta, they creeped me out.
 

DeadFred

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Jun 4, 2011
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Man, I was fine before the patch. Now I've locked up twice at the loading screen only to find that once I managed to get in game that it wiped all my settings (video, Keybinds, etc). Now, the game is crashing when I try to map my middle mouse tilt functions.. WTF

Was working fine before. Sigh. gogo Beta
Ugh, Ive had 2 crashes at loading screen out of 3 server joins since the patch too.

Its annoying, but normal for beta patches to wipe your settings and key bindings.
 

Arsinek

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You know what would be nice? If they added more strategy to these shooters. I just cant play another game of Team Death Match or glorified Team Death Match (Conquest). I know they apparantly brought back the commander thing or whatever for BF4 but even from what Ive heard of that it sounds very basic.

Id love for someone to do a new Battleground Europe type game, a real war. Something that involves a real campaign and has a real progression for your character. Something where battles actually mean something. I was hoping thats what Planetside 2 was going to be but boy was I wrong, just another Team Death Match but just on one big map that never changes with no end.
 

Zargon

Lifer
Nov 3, 2009
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You know what would be nice? If they added more strategy to these shooters. I just cant play another game of Team Death Match or glorified Team Death Match (Conquest). I know they apparantly brought back the commander thing or whatever for BF4 but even from what Ive heard of that it sounds very basic.

Id love for someone to do a new Battleground Europe type game, a real war. Something that involves a real campaign and has a real progression for your character. Something where battles actually mean something. I was hoping thats what Planetside 2 was going to be but boy was I wrong, just another Team Death Match but just on one big map that never changes with no end.

Go play some arma
 

realjetavenger

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Dec 8, 2008
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Man, I was fine before the patch. Now I've locked up twice at the loading screen only to find that once I managed to get in game that it wiped all my settings (video, Keybinds, etc). Now, the game is crashing when I try to map my middle mouse tilt functions.. WTF

Was working fine before. Sigh. gogo Beta

I wasn't fine before the update but at least once I got in, the game was playable. Now, my gpu usage is all over the map, going down to 20% and up to 90%. And regardless of the fps, it has now become a slideshow. I double checked all the video settings and they are back to where they were before the update.
At this point, the beta is now unplayable for me.
 

Arsinek

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Feb 9, 2010
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Go play some arma

As far as I know Arma doesnt have a campaign, by campaign I dont mean single player story, I mean a war campaign. And I dont think you rise through the ranks like in Battleground Europe. Theres really nothing like Battleground Europe other than Battleground Europe as far as I know. Battlefield would be perfect for such a game but Im sure its easier for them to crank out lobby shooters and watch the money come rolling in.
 

Triglet

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GPU usage is better for me now, I don't get the dropping down to 10% usage spike every 45 seconds. But, now I crash out every ten minutes. Think I've had my fill of the beta - looking forward to retail.
 

tential

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May 13, 2008
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You know what would be nice? If they added more strategy to these shooters. I just cant play another game of Team Death Match or glorified Team Death Match (Conquest). I know they apparantly brought back the commander thing or whatever for BF4 but even from what Ive heard of that it sounds very basic.

Id love for someone to do a new Battleground Europe type game, a real war. Something that involves a real campaign and has a real progression for your character. Something where battles actually mean something. I was hoping thats what Planetside 2 was going to be but boy was I wrong, just another Team Death Match but just on one big map that never changes with no end.

This is why I think Halo 4 and COD thrive for me. It's pretty easy to find a game that is 8 on 8 or 4 on 4, and I have 3 other friends I can play with usually on Console so I have more fun on those games. We actually play with strategy. It's hard to find 15 other peopel to play with on battlefield, let alone 5 other people usign a headset. In the end, it's just a huge TDM. Yes, it could be something great, but it never is.

This is the biggest thing holdnig me back from hopping on Battlefield 4 is that it's just always going to be TDM basically. COD and the Next Halo have far more chances for deeper gameplay for me than BF4 does.
 

NoSoup4You

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Feb 12, 2007
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Game seems much smoother after the patch, it was running okay before but it's a big improvement overall now.

This game series still has those awesome moments that other games can't match. Like the last match I fired a tank round between two skyscrapers at a heli that was darting back and forth behind them causing trouble - boom, two kills. Stuff like that CoD just can't touch. CoD and Halo have their charms as well but it's strictly the competition that I enjoy in those games, BF offers more than just competition.

I actually splurged for Premium this time around (skipped it on BF3) and I think DICE may have actually gotten things right this time. We'll see how it goes in the retail version but so far so good.
 

AznAnarchy99

Lifer
Dec 6, 2004
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The ground play feels a bit sluggish compared to bf3. Not sure if it's fps or the game itself is slower placed.
 
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