The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[Eeezee]

I started my first character as a BE paladin when BC landed, hit 70 within the month, quit playing and sold my account a week ago. I didn't like PvP but did roll on a RP PvP server so that I could occasionally get into a fight. I never did arena/battlegrounds except for the BG bracers (which for some reason are as good as T5/T6).

I got pissed off that Arena gear was as good as the best PvE gear for less work. Getting T6 takes months of effort, and you have to coordinate so many people and keep your guild progression high. Arena Season 3 gear is just as good (better in PvP and just as good in PvE) and takes considerably less time. Why is that?

 

[A I]

Originally posted by: Anubis
<- Plays
Melbuframa 70 Orc Lock
Skullcrusher

Apalla 70 Undead Shadow Priest
Skullcrusher

Hemisphere 22 Orc Warrior
Korgath

I play on Skullcrusher also, only on Alliance. I have been thinking of switching over to horde.

 

[pravi333]

None in Fenris :-(, I could use some of you guys help to get my epic mount
My 1st toon
57 holy human paladin
Fenris

 

[nick1985]

LvL 70 Gladiator Dwarf Priest on Detheroc. 2300 2v2 rated for season 1

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: xboxist
Azurella -- 70 Warrior -- Draenei

I play on Eredar, the butthole of WoW.

I think you're in the same battleground as my Undeadie. Maybe I'll get to killify you sometime relatively soon :evil:.

I read over the patch notes again and there's just so many goodies in this patch, it's giving me goosebumps!

Here's a couple interesting ones I completely forgot about:

# Players will now be able to cast spells for free in the Battleground before it begins.
# Players will now be able to cast spells for free for a few seconds after being resurrected by a Spirit Guide in the Battleground.

That's so helpful as I think we all know how much a pain it is to buff people and have to use the water that you pay for (unless you're a mage).

Warsong Gulch, Arathi Basin, Eye of the Storm
* Additional bonus honor is now awarded upon conclusion of the battle.

This will make losing better . It's kind of like how WSG weekend is nice no matter what, you always get honor even if you lose.

Can't really go through all the changes since there's so many and I'd have to say that some do make the game easier, but I think they fix some things that ended up being a bit excessive at times. Kind of like this one:

Sonic Burst now silences for 6 seconds instead of 10.

Never really hurt you unless you had two mobs on you at once and one cast it. Normally they'll probably be nearing death when they cast it and you can still melee/wand (depending on class). Although it is annoying when you want to cast Battle Shout as a warrior and you're silenced .

Here's another great raid change:

Creature AI has been changed to no longer prioritize attacking unfeared targets over feared targets.

 

[OutHouse]

Ladenn

34 night elf priest.

Moon Guard

http://armory.worldofwarcraft....?r=Moon+Guard&n=Ladenn

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Xavier434
2.3 = hunter goodness and uber badge farming

yea and your free arena 2 hander, which IMO is total BS

we need a new WoW thread about where people are playing, IDK what happened to the old one

I'm a resto druid and I never PvP so WoW and I are good friends. There is so much less to complain about in WoW if you stay clear of the PvP scene.

Its hard to complain about a game when you make it entirely 1 dimensional.

Lets run instances to get gear so we can run instances to get gear so we can run instances to get gear...

 

[TheVrolok]

I really enjoyed playing WoW, I just wish I had loads of free time to play. Haven't played in some time.

 

[Kur]

I quit just recently, the whole "we feel it's fine" "we feel this is the way it should be" for the past 3 years finally pushed me to quit when 2/3 of my toons was getting nerfs for no reason then to please crying 14 year olds. (I went to blizzcon, yes I saw them face to face and saw first hand)

Durotan - level 70 Troll Shadow Priest
Aygros - level 70 UD Rogue
Frostmante - level 70 NE Warrior

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Xavier434
2.3 = hunter goodness and uber badge farming

yea and your free arena 2 hander, which IMO is total BS

we need a new WoW thread about where people are playing, IDK what happened to the old one

I'm a resto druid and I never PvP so WoW and I are good friends. There is so much less to complain about in WoW if you stay clear of the PvP scene.

Its hard to complain about a game when you make it entirely 1 dimensional.

Lets run instances to get gear so we can run instances to get gear so we can run instances to get gear...

nearly every game ever made is repetitive in some way

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Its hard to complain about a game when you make it entirely 1 dimensional.

Lets run instances to get gear so we can run instances to get gear so we can run instances to get gear...

Fun = Fun


Working as a team in my raiding guild perfecting execution and teamwork is great for me. Besides, it sure as hell beats all the stress and arguments that comes from the pvp system. That system will always be unbalanced since the game revolves so crucially around the math. Everything is about timing and number with little to no breathing room. This is especially true with the arena system if you got two teams of seasoned players. I don't have any problem with PvPers though. To me, if they are having fun then that's great! It's just not my style. I expect more from PvP I guess and find that the stress of playing the unbalanced system just isn't enough fun for me to spend the time doing it.

Besides, after boiling down all the details between pvp and pve, they are both repetitive. That doesn't matter though. The repetitive aspect is meaningless as long as you are having fun.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Besides, after boiling down all the details between pvp and pve, they are both repetitive. That doesn't matter though. The repetitive aspect is meaningless as long as you are having fun.

That's why world PVP can be so much more fun... it's not always even (but not necessarily incredibly favored for one side), not always the same location and not the same people. BG PVP isn't too bad if people aren't being idiots, but it can be rather frustrating at lower levels with twinks. I remember doing AB this past weekend and I simply stopped. I couldn't stand all the twinks in AB where I barely had a chance against some of them, so I ended up switching to WSG instead. Then some of those twinks went to WSG instead .

Oh and this thread would probably be better as just a 2.3 thread and making a separate one dedicated to just profile links and stuff like we had before.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Besides, after boiling down all the details between pvp and pve, they are both repetitive. That doesn't matter though. The repetitive aspect is meaningless as long as you are having fun.

That's why world PVP can be so much more fun... it's not always even (but not necessarily incredibly favored for one side), not always the same location and not the same people. BG PVP isn't too bad if people aren't being idiots, but it can be rather frustrating at lower levels with twinks. I remember doing AB this past weekend and I simply stopped. I couldn't stand all the twinks in AB where I barely had a chance against some of them, so I ended up switching to WSG instead. Then some of those twinks went to WSG instead .

Oh and this thread would probably be better as just a 2.3 thread and making a separate one dedicated to just profile links and stuff like we had before.

Now this is more my bag. So far, my most enjoyable PvP experiences have been defending Halaa and AV. AV can run into the whole inexperienced teamwork issues but it isn't like all of the other BGs. In Halaa, anything goes! I love it. I look forward to the world pvp zone in WotLK. I hope it gets used a lot.

 

[OutHouse]

so what do you guys think of the patch? I really like the new mini-map now. it points out any quest givers and who to turn in quest so no more wondering around all over the place to find key people. also its nice to see the ships manned with a crew and vendors. I did check out the goblin town i was disappointed i was expecting more, but there is a new flight path to pick up there so its not such a long ass walk to get there. I did do the battlegrounds and the few min you have to put free buffs on other players is nice and the points are nice two. I did two rounds lost them both and got 62 honor kills. i didn't check out the price of the good gear yet so if that went up i fail to see the point. the guild bank is pretty damn cool too nice feature there.

 

[Xavier434]

The new patch is fantastic. I love all the new features.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Now this is more my bag. So far, my most enjoyable PvP experiences have been defending Halaa and AV. AV can run into the whole inexperienced teamwork issues but it isn't like all of the other BGs. In Halaa, anything goes! I love it. I look forward to the world pvp zone in WotLK. I hope it gets used a lot.

AV is a PVE PVP BG . The BG is finished in 13 minutes because people finally realized "Hai! The point of PVP is to get honor and tokens and get gear... AV gives lots of honor for killing NPCs... let's just race and get lots of honor!" Only took them about a year and a half to figure it out.

Well, the one difference about being in a PVP area is that you expect PVP. Not expecting it is a bit more fun.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: Xavier434
The new patch is fantastic. I love all the new features.

Agreed, one of the best patches ever for WoW. Excluding 2.0, which is technically streamlining the expansion... I'd say it's probably the best patch ever as I don't think I've ever been so excited and ecstatic about a patch before.

EDIT 2:

Originally posted by: Citrix
I did check out the goblin town i was disappointed i was expecting more, but there is a new flight path to pick up there so its not such a long ass walk to get there. I did do the battlegrounds and the few min you have to put free buffs on other players is nice and the points are nice two. I did two rounds lost them both and got 62 honor kills. i didn't check out the price of the good gear yet so if that went up i fail to see the point.

I was a bit disappointed in Mudsprocket as well. I kind of expected it to be a tiny bit bigger... maybe livelier. There really weren't many quests there either, which wasn't too bad since I didn't have much room left in my log anyway .

To my knowledge no PVP items had an increase in price.

 

[OutHouse]

oh forgot to mention, the flight paths that i took, Methril bay to IF. IF to SW seemed much shorter. along with the boat rides.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Now this is more my bag. So far, my most enjoyable PvP experiences have been defending Halaa and AV. AV can run into the whole inexperienced teamwork issues but it isn't like all of the other BGs. In Halaa, anything goes! I love it. I look forward to the world pvp zone in WotLK. I hope it gets used a lot.

AV is a PVE PVP BG . The BG is finished in 13 minutes because people finally realized "Hai! The point of PVP is to get honor and tokens and get gear... AV gives lots of honor for killing NPCs... let's just race and get lots of honor!" Only took them about a year and a half to figure it out.

Well, the one difference about being in a PVP area is that you expect PVP. Not expecting it is a bit more fun.

Ya, AV is more PvE style splashed with a PvP atmosphere. I guess I like it the most because I really enjoy being a healer and I can excel doing that in AV and world PvP in ways which are much more fun for me than the arena and other BGs.

What you say about not expecting PvP being more fun is something that I do not agree with, but that is just my personal preference. I chose a PvE server because I wanted to have the freedom of choosing when I want to participate in PvP rather than being ganked unexpectedly. It's a different atmosphere. I just like PvE atmosphere more.

 

[OutHouse]

whats

AV
PVE

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Citrix
whats

AV
PVE

AV= Alteric Valley its a lvl 51+ battleground that became a PVE race alont time ago

PVE - Pleayer vs Enviroment (Mobs, NPCs,...), PVP = player vs player

wheres mudsprocket?

i honestly only played yesterday for like 30 min, looked at all the ZA loot and realized its 90% useless for my class/build, YEA BLIZZ

and then went and cooked a Ham

putting the !s on the minimap is awsome, even having lvled many chars and having a bunch at 70 i hate having to search for the quest giver who is liek hidinggehind a bush or whatever, new heroic badge stuff is pretty decent depending on your class, havent done a PVP daily yet dont even know who gives them out

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Citrix
whats

AV
PVE

AV is Alterac Valley, a battleground for level 51 players and above. It was originally very PVE oriented and the PVP aspect of it was to disrupt or slow down your opponents while you completed your PVE objective. The point is to take over your opponent's base and kill their commander.

PVE is Player Versus Environment. It pretty much means that you're fighting computer controlled opponents where PVP is Player Versus Player, an opponent that is directly controlled by another player.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: Anubis
wheres mudsprocket?

Southern Dustwallow Marsh. The road will now bring you right to it. It isn't much as it's just that one hut that they have in Ratchet (the one up near the Warlock place), another building and some people). There is currently a bug with Mudsprocket's inn though... it doesn't seem to register you as Resting in every spot.

Originally posted by: Anubis
putting the !s on the minimap is awsome, even having lvled many chars and having a bunch at 70 i hate having to search for the quest giver who is liek hidinggehind a bush or whatever, new heroic badge stuff is pretty decent depending on your class, havent done a PVP daily yet dont even know who gives them out

I like it too. You can also change your tracking to show repair people, reagent vendors, inn keepers, etc. Not sure where the PVP dailies are either, but I may have to try one or two on my undead rogue (if they're available for non-70's).

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Ya, AV is more PvE style splashed with a PvP atmosphere. I guess I like it the most because I really enjoy being a healer and I can excel doing that in AV and world PvP in ways which are much more fun for me than the arena and other BGs.

I've actually wanted to heal in a BG as of late, so I've been tempted to jump on my priest to do so, but you can heal in any of the BGs or even be a healer in a "gang killing" (this being where the term "ganking" came from) group.

Originally posted by: Xavier434
What you say about not expecting PvP being more fun is something that I do not agree with, but that is just my personal preference. I chose a PvE server because I wanted to have the freedom of choosing when I want to participate in PvP rather than being ganked unexpectedly. It's a different atmosphere. I just like PvE atmosphere more.

I switched to a PVE server because I hated being ganked when on a low-level alt by level 70's. I didn't really mind a relatively fair fight... they really got the heart a racin'! Although it's kind of fun when a character 9 levels above you attacks you and you almost kill them . I probably should've beat that guy too .

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Citrix
whats

AV
PVE

AV= Alteric Valley its a lvl 51+ battleground that became a PVE race alont time ago

PVE - Pleayer vs Enviroment (Mobs, NPCs,...), PVP = player vs player

wheres mudsprocket?

i honestly only played yesterday for like 30 min, looked at all the ZA loot and realized its 90% useless for my class/build, YEA BLIZZ

and then went and cooked a Ham

putting the !s on the minimap is awsome, even having lvled many chars and having a bunch at 70 i hate having to search for the quest giver who is liek hidinggehind a bush or whatever, new heroic badge stuff is pretty decent depending on your class, havent done a PVP daily yet dont even know who gives them out

mudsprocket is in duskwallow marsh. follow the road out of theramore isle and just before you get to the barrons there is a road that goes south, go south on that road and you will eventually come to mudsprocket.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Ya, AV is more PvE style splashed with a PvP atmosphere. I guess I like it the most because I really enjoy being a healer and I can excel doing that in AV and world PvP in ways which are much more fun for me than the arena and other BGs.

I've actually wanted to heal in a BG as of late, so I've been tempted to jump on my priest to do so, but you can heal in any of the BGs or even be a healer in a "gang killing" (this being where the term "ganking" came from) group.

This is true but then we go back to the whole lack of teamwork in the pug BGs. You can be a part of a pug AV and still witness enough teamwork as a healer to make ends meet. You can't expect that in any of the others. This is especially true if you are not rich in pvp gear as a healer which ends up being a catch 22 since I would need to spend many hours playing BGs just to get the gear which is supposed to make it more fun for me. Meh...even thinking about it makes me shudder. Unfortunately, for people like me, the pvp system is a long dark tunnel with few fruits at the end of it. At the very least, I can get much more enjoyment using that time playing other PvP oriented games.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
This is true but then we go back to the whole lack of teamwork in the pug BGs. You can be a part of a pug AV and still witness enough teamwork as a healer to make ends meet. You can't expect that in any of the others. This is especially true if you are not rich in pvp gear as a healer which ends up being a catch 22 since I would need to spend many hours playing BGs just to get the gear which is supposed to make it more fun for me. Meh...even thinking about it makes me shudder. Unfortunately, for people like me, the pvp system is a long dark tunnel with few fruits at the end of it. At the very least, I can get much more enjoyment using that time playing other PvP oriented games.

That's true, the lack of teamwork is really a problem that plagues every aspect of WoW. I believe it comes from the fact that players play almost the entire game by themselves and this isn't really a dumb thing on their part. Kill quests are faster to do in a group, but drop quests are not unless you cannot handle the mobs by yourself. Like I was in the Kobold cave in Arathi Highlands and a hunter and paladin wanted to group up to avoid dying. I just said, "I don't need any help with this", because it's true... I don't need help and there's no guarantee that them being there is beneficial. With this type of attitude pushed by WoW's core experience, it's no wonder team/group gameplay is foreign to most people... they play the whole game like a Single Player game and suddenly want to jump into the wonderful world of multi-player fun when they have no experience in it at all. So unless you find a team of people that are somewhat experienced or very experienced, you tend to get stuck with these people that typically do not know what to do and ignore comments or backlash at you when you make comments. You tend to find these bad players in PVE groups as well... like the hunters that leave growl on their pets .

I think you can find teamwork in every BG if you have at least a couple decent people. Like in WSG, a group of 3 or 4 good people can practically win the whole game by themselves depending on the competency of the opponents (if it's an organized group, I doubt it, but a PUG is possible). AV is a little nicer because there's 40 people and the guarantee that you will find at least one good person is a bit better (simply more numbers).

Well, the gear thing was somewhat of a goal of Blizzard's Arena Rating numbers. They were to keep the good players with the good gear away from the newer teams. The problem is, these high-end teams tend to sell their Arena Teams to noobs and now you've got highly-geared PVP teams with 1500 ratings playing against people with normal to average PVP gear. Another issue is that you already need some PVP gear to be decent, so you've gotta get the non-set epics (costs about 40,000 honor overall). Now you can PVP to get the season 1 epics, which aren't that bad in comparison. But yet again we go back to how painful PVP can be at times... I remember back when I PVP'd 8+ hours a day. I almost turned into a drunkard, because it took being numbingly drunk to withstand the pure torture of constantly losing no matter how hard you try (such a morale downer).

PVP is actually fun, but what I find so damn horrible is that once you realize PVP is nothing but a huge grind and you're just inching toward a goal. It ends up becoming frustrating and ruining the fun. I also think that twinks tend to ruin PVP. I was just playing with my normal gear and how can I really fight back when a shaman can windfury crit me for almost my entire health bar? I could probably do a lot better with a PVP-related build, but I'm doing PVP as a side thing at this point as I still want to level.

 

[OutHouse]

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