The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[BZeto]

Originally posted by: mattpegher
The problem I find is that without raids and doing dungeons at heroic level you never seem to get any decent gear. When I do any dungeons all I seem to get is green gear a few levels lower than what I already have? I understand the need for endgame but how am I supposed to get any decent gear at 62 when all the guild is 70 doing raids.

All pre 70 instance bosses still drop blues. At 62 you could do Ramparts, Blood Furnace, Slave Pens and Underbog. That and quest rewards is plenty of gear before 70. It honestly doesnt even matter though, hit 70 then worry about getting amazing gear. On all my characters I just used what dropped for me while I ran instances/quests for xp. I never went out of my way to get gear if it meant slowing down xp per hour.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: BZeto

Originally posted by: mattpegher
The problem I find is that without raids and doing dungeons at heroic level you never seem to get any decent gear. When I do any dungeons all I seem to get is green gear a few levels lower than what I already have? I understand the need for endgame but how am I supposed to get any decent gear at 62 when all the guild is 70 doing raids.

All pre 70 instance bosses still drop blues. At 62 you could do Ramparts, Blood Furnace, Slave Pens and Underbog. That and quest rewards is plenty of gear before 70. It honestly doesnt even matter though, hit 70 then worry about getting amazing gear. On all my characters I just used what dropped for me while I ran instances/quests for xp. I never went out of my way to get gear if it meant slowing down xp per hour.

as Bzero said just run instances, Ramparts/bloodfurnace and such till 64 and then the Coilfang ones around 54/65, there are blue drops from the bosses in there that are usefull for any class

best thing to do really is to lvl to 70 and leave Blades edge, Nethorstorm and Shadowmoon untouched, do ZERO quests in them, and then do them all at 70, you will make a TON of gold that way be able to ge your flying mount and do the 70 instances and get decent gear

 

[OutHouse]

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[DangerAardvark]

Man, I remember PvPing the last 3 weeks before Burning Crusade released. It was such a blast PVPing on my Rogue, running around with Grand Marshal gear, Earthstrike and 41 point talents. Dropping 3k Eviscerates back when people still had less than 5k hp was crazy.

 

[Schneider879]

I just hit 60 on probably my 4th or 5th character to get to 60, I only have 1 other 70. I used to be really into botting and got a couple of my characters banned. Anyway, I was pretty proud of my leveling time to 60, I was level 41 when patch 2.3 came out and I got to 60 in 4days 21hours /played. Now I just have to do the grind to 70 and start all over again. I play on Nazjatar probably the smallest server on WoW, but if any of you play on there feel free to hit me up my name is CritsAhoy.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Schneider879
I play on Nazjatar probably the smallest server on WoW, but if any of you play on there feel free to hit me up my name is CritsAhoy.

Reminds me of a guild I saw called <Show Me Your Crits> .

Originally posted by: mattpegher
Ever since the expansion my guild have all reached 70 and no one is doing any of the lower level dungeons. The problem I find is that without raids and doing dungeons at heroic level you never seem to get any decent gear. When I do any dungeons all I seem to get is green gear a few levels lower than what I already have? I understand the need for endgame but how am I supposed to get any decent gear at 62 when all the guild is 70 doing raids.

As others have said, just keep yourself with some decent quest gear all around and you'll be fine. You can do the dungeons for the quests and such and you may end up getting some gear out of it, but I don't recommend making this a priority. Also, even some of the greens in WoW are better than some blues . So in other words, you can't forget that end game essentially starts when you reach max level... before that, don't worry too much about gear unless you working toward some crafting gear like Frozen Shadoweave or Primal Mooncloth.

Originally posted by: LAMONTBURNS
Once cross server started, rerolls, new servers, xpac, BGs imo are pretty much the same on both sides. you either have teams that want to win for a fun BG, or one team or both that just don't care. passive honor, afk, not healing, sitting around stealth, etc. It's just not what it once was.

I think that attitude mostly started when honor became a currency, not when cross-realm battlegrounds came out.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: BZeto

Originally posted by: mattpegher
The problem I find is that without raids and doing dungeons at heroic level you never seem to get any decent gear. When I do any dungeons all I seem to get is green gear a few levels lower than what I already have? I understand the need for endgame but how am I supposed to get any decent gear at 62 when all the guild is 70 doing raids.

All pre 70 instance bosses still drop blues. At 62 you could do Ramparts, Blood Furnace, Slave Pens and Underbog. That and quest rewards is plenty of gear before 70. It honestly doesnt even matter though, hit 70 then worry about getting amazing gear. On all my characters I just used what dropped for me while I ran instances/quests for xp. I never went out of my way to get gear if it meant slowing down xp per hour.

as Bzero said just run instances, Ramparts/bloodfurnace and such till 64 and then the Coilfang ones around 54/65, there are blue drops from the bosses in there that are usefull for any class

best thing to do really is to lvl to 70 and leave Blades edge, Nethorstorm and Shadowmoon untouched, do ZERO quests in them, and then do them all at 70, you will make a TON of gold that way be able to ge your flying mount and do the 70 instances and get decent gear

This is exactly what I did when TBC first came out. At the time, I didn't realize the advantage but man was I happy that I took that route. I farmed zero gold to get my epic flying speed. Quests gave me all the gold I needed with almost 2000 to spare. Granted, I did sell a number of herbs along the way after I maxed alchemy, but that only netted me about 1000 between 60-70 and that was when prices were higher.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I must say though that tossing in the legendary bow in the Sunwell instance is a real slap to the face for hunters considering very few will get the chance to step into the instance let alone clear it enough for the bow to drop. I felt the same way about Naxx when it came to Atiesh.

My guild is pretty good. We only play 4 hours a night twice a week and we were hit hard by the 40->25 man conversion at the beginning which stalled us until we merged with another guild. Since then progress has been pretty steady and we are now trying to kill Vashj. We have also downed Loot Rever and have experience with Al'ar. Personally, I hope to see Illidan before WotLK because not seeing him is like watching an excellent movie only to turn it off during the last 15 minutes just so you can start watching the sequel. I think Blizz understands that which is why they slowly make their raids easier as the game matures.

Where did you think it would drop? Heroic badge purchase? Legendaries are always going to be from the latest high end instances. They are going to be inaccessible for most players. You have to realize that if you were to give everything to everyone the game looses much of its value. People who put in more time and effort are going to get better rewards.

Anyways, I think the progression line is fine in WoW atm. SSC and TK have both been significantly nerfed to where a group of 25 good players can progress in the instances fairly quickly even playing a limited amount of time. Especially when you consider the huge amount of tactical information and videos out for every boss. KT, the biggest block just received a gigantic nerf. I'm sure Vashj will as well when sunwell comes out.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: obsidian

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I must say though that tossing in the legendary bow in the Sunwell instance is a real slap to the face for hunters considering very few will get the chance to step into the instance let alone clear it enough for the bow to drop. I felt the same way about Naxx when it came to Atiesh.

My guild is pretty good. We only play 4 hours a night twice a week and we were hit hard by the 40->25 man conversion at the beginning which stalled us until we merged with another guild. Since then progress has been pretty steady and we are now trying to kill Vashj. We have also downed Loot Rever and have experience with Al'ar. Personally, I hope to see Illidan before WotLK because not seeing him is like watching an excellent movie only to turn it off during the last 15 minutes just so you can start watching the sequel. I think Blizz understands that which is why they slowly make their raids easier as the game matures.

Where did you think it would drop? Heroic badge purchase? Legendaries are always going to be from the latest high end instances. They are going to be inaccessible for most players. You have to realize that if you were to give everything to everyone the game looses much of its value. People who put in more time and effort are going to get better rewards.

Anyways, I think the progression line is fine in WoW atm. SSC and TK have both been significantly nerfed to where a group of 25 good players can progress in the instances fairly quickly even playing a limited amount of time. Especially when you consider the huge amount of tactical information and videos out for every boss. KT, the biggest block just received a gigantic nerf. I'm sure Vashj will as well when sunwell comes out.

See, here is the thing. A legendary bow has been requested by the player base for a very long time. With the large number of raid instances out there right now and WotLK in progress, I believe that the Sunwell will be experienced by a smaller ratio of players than Naxx was. I understand that not everyone should get the bow or even be given a chance to get the bow. It is supposed to be the best for a reason. However, legendaries are very few and far between. Like Atiesh, hardly anyone will get it and by the time they do get it they will be replacing it soon afterwards with WotLK gear most likely. It just seems like a waste to limit the opportunity to such a small player base. Limit the drop rate/requirements and not the opportunity I say.

To me, I felt that TF was the best legendary out there in terms of usefulness and what is required to get it. Lots of people had the opportunity, but you still only saw a handful of people with it on each server even by the time TBC was released. For the most part, only the best had them. It is also still used by many tanks today. That to me is a sign of a well developed legendary. Hard goals to obtain in an MMO are fun for the majority, but hardly given the chance to even try for it is no fun.

 

[abaez]

Using the same weapon today from an almost three year old instance? That isn't a well designed legendary, that's just bad itemization.

Say we did have a legendary bow from M.C., if it were still to be in use today, it would have had to have been ~90+dps, which would have been ridiculous back in the days when the bow from chromaggus only had 55 dps. It would have destroyed even the bow from Naxx at 65 dps.

I can understand your point about having a legendary that's worthwhile, but I think it's useful life should be about a year after you obtain it. Which means you'll have a few months of an item that is much better that you could get otherwise.

Anyway, I'm on Detheroc playing the same priest I've played since WoW came out. We killed illidan for the first time Sunday, which was an amazing experience.

 

[imported_obsidian]

I think you are overestimating the timeline of WOTLK. I think there is going to be a while before it is released. Plus, the big reason Naxx > TBC was an issue is because Naxx was so goddamn big. To progress through this instance it took forever simply because progressing on 15 bosses, many of which were very hard, took forever. I don't think Sunwell will be nearly this big. Plus, I think there will be more time between sunwell and WOTLK. Last week around 400 new guilds got their first Kael kill. Most of hyjal and BT are fairly easy to learn. Many guilds getting 3-5 first kills in their first 2-3 raid locks. Most bosses with the exception of archimonde, ROS, sharaz, and illidan, can be learned in 1-2 nights of progression. With the addition of ZA/badge gear this will only speed up the process.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: abaez
Using the same weapon today from an almost three year old instance? That isn't a well designed legendary, that's just bad itemization.

Say we did have a legendary bow from M.C., if it were still to be in use today, it would have had to have been ~90+dps, which would have been ridiculous back in the days when the bow from chromaggus only had 55 dps. It would have destroyed even the bow from Naxx at 65 dps.

I can understand your point about having a legendary that's worthwhile, but I think it's useful life should be about a year after you obtain it. Which means you'll have a few months of an item that is much better that you could get otherwise.

Anyway, I'm on Detheroc playing the same priest I've played since WoW came out. We killed illidan for the first time Sunday, which was an amazing experience.

That's a good point I suppose. Maybe this issue would be better resolved if there were a couple more legendaries available in TBC to replace the previous ones. I feel TBC's raids are lacking in that department.

Originally posted by: obsidian
I think you are overestimating the timeline of WOTLK. I think there is going to be a while before it is released. Plus, the big reason Naxx > TBC was an issue is because Naxx was so goddamn big. To progress through this instance it took forever simply because progressing on 15 bosses, many of which were very hard, took forever. I don't think Sunwell will be nearly this big. Plus, I think there will be more time between sunwell and WOTLK. Last week around 400 new guilds got their first Kael kill. Most of hyjal and BT are fairly easy to learn. Many guilds getting 3-5 first kills in their first 2-3 raid locks. Most bosses with the exception of archimonde, ROS, sharaz, and illidan, can be learned in 1-2 nights of progression. With the addition of ZA/badge gear this will only speed up the process.

It's possible, but understand that a casual raiding guild can easily be delayed in progress due to absences which lead to being short on key players such as tanks. That adds up to a lot over the course of TBC's lifetime if you only raid twice a week like many casual raiders do. I don't believe that casual raiders should be the first to get this stuff, but I would like to see Blizz offer more of an opportunity. Then again, maybe you are right about WotLK being farther off than I expect. Currently, I am estimating one year from now. Also, when I went to Blizzcon I believe I remember catching a part which hinted at something like 6-8 bosses for Sunwell. Don't quote me on that though.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: abaez
Using the same weapon today from an almost three year old instance? That isn't a well designed legendary, that's just bad itemization.

Say we did have a legendary bow from M.C., if it were still to be in use today, it would have had to have been ~90+dps, which would have been ridiculous back in the days when the bow from chromaggus only had 55 dps. It would have destroyed even the bow from Naxx at 65 dps.

I can understand your point about having a legendary that's worthwhile, but I think it's useful life should be about a year after you obtain it. Which means you'll have a few months of an item that is much better that you could get otherwise.

Anyway, I'm on Detheroc playing the same priest I've played since WoW came out. We killed illidan for the first time Sunday, which was an amazing experience.

if people are still useing TV at 70 they are Bad rogues and warriors, (the 2 classes the mostly used it)

most decent 70 blues make better weps for tanking and DPS

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Anubis
if people are still useing TV at 70 they are Bad rogues and warriors, (the 2 classes the mostly used it)

most decent 70 blues make better weps for tanking and DPS

From what I gather, the speed of TF is what they want out of it due to rage generation. I am not a math expert when it comes to that stuff though so I could be dead wrong. The ones that I know who do use it though do crunch the math so I figure it can't be all that bad.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis
if people are still useing TV at 70 they are Bad rogues and warriors, (the 2 classes the mostly used it)

most decent 70 blues make better weps for tanking and DPS

From what I gather, the speed of TF is what they want out of it due to rage generation. I am not a math expert when it comes to that stuff though so I could be dead wrong. The ones that I know who do use it though do crunch the math so I figure it can't be all that bad.

they severly reduced the ammnt of threat that the proc makes and the damage does not make up for the lower DPS on the wep itself

Kings Defender from kara which basicially every tank gets is pretty superior, its also faster
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28749

The Sun eater from Heroic Mech (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29362) is also great untill you get the Mallet of the Tides from SSC (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30058)

TF for refrence
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19019

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis
if people are still useing TV at 70 they are Bad rogues and warriors, (the 2 classes the mostly used it)

most decent 70 blues make better weps for tanking and DPS

From what I gather, the speed of TF is what they want out of it due to rage generation. I am not a math expert when it comes to that stuff though so I could be dead wrong. The ones that I know who do use it though do crunch the math so I figure it can't be all that bad.

they severly reduced the ammnt of threat that the proc makes and the damage does not make up for the lower DPS on the wep itself

Kings Defender from kara which basicially every tank gets is pretty superior, its also faster
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28749

The Sun eater from Heroic Mech (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29362) is also great untill you get the Mallet of the Tides from SSC (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30058)

TF for refrence
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19019

Yes, I am aware of the nerf as well as those other weapons. If I am not mistaken, the tanks that I know who still use TF also keep those other weapons or better for tanking in their inventory. While the proc threat was nerfed, the jumping effect that it has when multiple mobs are present can often be enough to make it more useful on a case by case basis than other tank weapons which do not hit more than one mob at a time. Again, I am not an expert here. I am not a tank. This is just my observations. It seems to work.

 

[Aikouka]

Some people may not have the Launcher turned on, but there's some nifty WoW commercials available for download on the WoW site:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html

I like the Mr. T one.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis
if people are still useing TV at 70 they are Bad rogues and warriors, (the 2 classes the mostly used it)

most decent 70 blues make better weps for tanking and DPS

From what I gather, the speed of TF is what they want out of it due to rage generation. I am not a math expert when it comes to that stuff though so I could be dead wrong. The ones that I know who do use it though do crunch the math so I figure it can't be all that bad.

i have no clue of what you guys are talking about.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Citrix
i have no clue of what you guys are talking about.

They're talking about an old Legendary weapon from pre-BC time called Thunderfury. The sword itself has a proc that jumps to nearby targets lowering nature resistance and it will also slow your target's attacks down. It was popular one for that slowing effect as less hits = less damage done to you per second. It also had good threat generation because of the debuffs as it could place the debuff on bosses where most bosses were immune to stuff like that.

Blizzard didn't like that people were still using it for tanking over BC weapons, so they nerfed the effect.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Citrix
i have no clue of what you guys are talking about.

They're talking about an old Legendary weapon from pre-BC time called Thunderfury. The sword itself has a proc that jumps to nearby targets lowering nature resistance and it will also slow your target's attacks down. It was popular one for that slowing effect as less hits = less damage done to you per second. It also had good threat generation because of the debuffs as it could place the debuff on bosses where most bosses were immune to stuff like that.

Blizzard didn't like that people were still using it for tanking over BC weapons, so they nerfed the effect.

Ya, the nerf made many other TBC weapons more effective. This is particularly true if the tank has very few targets to deal with. The proc still generates aggro though and to my knowledge there is no other tank weapons which contains a proc producing a similar result. In the end, if you have enough targets to beat down, then TF can often produce more agro and rage than other weapons. I will agree that any tank who uses it while tanking a single target or boss is a douche though.

 

[Glayde]

Moo, I should say.


I love the new 2.3 patch, lots of enhancements and ZA is just great, in addition to new badge rewards and such.

My main is Glayde a 70 Tauren shaman, currently resto specced.
I've played and leveled various twinks as well.


I've been playing since beta/retail, our guild was originally on Medivh but transferred to Thrall back in the summer of 06.

 

[Schadenfroh]

What is the newest PVP and RP-PVP server and about what time were they launched?

 

[FreshCrabLegs]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
What is the newest PVP and RP-PVP server and about what time were they launched?

Shattered Halls - PvP PST
Jan 17, 2007

Ravenholdt - RP-PvP EST
Dec 14, 2006

Link for Info
Related Info

 

[Glayde]

The new leveling changes are really really nice.

Low levels 20-60 had their exerience requirements reduced (by 20%?), in addition quests from 30-60 give a lot more experience.

The 3 chicken escort quests gave 6800 7300 7300 and 10500 for the final turnin.

By the time you reach the mid to upper 50's quests are giving you 7-11k each, basicly matching starting TBC quests in outlands.

I managed to take my twink shaman from 52 on saturday to 60 on sunday.

It's a great time to go back and start a new character, even all the low dungeons were revamped--all boss loot was upgraded to rare/blue and given better stats.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: FreshCrabLegs
Ravenholdt - RP-PvP EST
Dec 14, 2006

Holy Moly! That server (according to census data) has a huge blood elf population.