The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[AntiFreze]

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: DarkRipper
I agree completely. We don't have any elemental shaman to do it though

We usually put one of our newer rogues on the job, or a dps warrior if we have more than one.
Our enhancement shammie is running with the melee dps group, and our healing shamans are too busy, of course.

Enhancement Shaman is the best bet because of the Focused effect that they can gain (which is incredibly super awesome). As they probably won't waste much mana doing it, but then the +10% AP effect won't be as worthwhile.

Bah!

Gimme mah WF totem, forget interrupts

Seriously, we do just fine with the tank and someone else randomly interrupting her, plus CoT.

so do you just DPS her down, and let a few heals get off when iceblocked/no energy?

 

[Aikouka]

I give rogues Wrath of Air totem to show them how much I :heart:.

I wonder what rep it'll require to be able to go to CoT easily. It will still be worthwhile then to do the questline in Theramore while leveling that lets you teleport from SW->Theramore.

 

[techgamer]

ZOMGWTF!!! only 80 mana biscuits at a time??? NOOOO I ususaly carry at least a full 18 slot bag full of those yummy goodies...

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: techgamer
ZOMGWTF!!! only 80 mana biscuits at a time??? NOOOO I ususaly carry at least a full 18 slot bag full of those yummy goodies...

most ive gotten out of a table was 780 in an AV once LOLOLOLOLOL

spam click FTW

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I give rogues Wrath of Air totem to show them how much I :heart:.

I wonder what rep it'll require to be able to go to CoT easily. It will still be worthwhile then to do the questline in Theramore while leveling that lets you teleport from SW->Theramore.

WTF we dont have a quest line like that for horde

and i hope its only like revered cause well im not even revered LOL
i hate the CoT instances

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I absolutely destroyed another mage that was far better geared than me in a standard 5-man last night. It was quite surprising but it only took a couple fights of watching him closer to figure out why =\. The guy kept casting fireblast in the middle of a fight when the mob wasn't down low rather than casting it when the mob had low health. One thing when it comes to standard 5-mans to learn is judging which cast you can complete at the mob's current health and I find that comes from getting a feel for how much DPS your group has as well as knowing which cast to use. I used fireblast and scorch (I only care about Fire Vuln on bosses or larger 1-mob pulls) but only when that was my only opportunity to squeeze more damage in.

What amused me about it though and kind of gave me a better idea is that after reading EJ a bit for all the classes I play, supposedly my mage should've been horrible in the damage department because he focuses more on +crit than +damage. +hit doesn't matter in this case since I'm easily hit-capped against a same level mob.

But the most amazing thing I saw was a warrior that could actually tank multiple mobs properly. I think this was the first warrior I saw that did it in a very, very long time. Frankly, I think people are spoiled with Paladin tanks that only have to throw consecration down and spam holy shield as their method of multi-mob tanking. Also, I was quite surprised that our healer died at around 80% on Thorngrin and we still beat the living crap out of him. The tank had around 50% hp left when Thorny died.

I'm pretty good. Maybe not the best, but I have a solid understanding of the classes I play and always seek to learn more by reading various forums, including the EJ mage writeup. Simply put, an equally geared & skilled mage cannot compete with a warlock or rogue. I'm not going to bother with a mathematical proof, anyone doing tier 5+ content will agree with that.

 

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by: AntiFreze

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: DarkRipper
I agree completely. We don't have any elemental shaman to do it though

We usually put one of our newer rogues on the job, or a dps warrior if we have more than one.
Our enhancement shammie is running with the melee dps group, and our healing shamans are too busy, of course.

Enhancement Shaman is the best bet because of the Focused effect that they can gain (which is incredibly super awesome). As they probably won't waste much mana doing it, but then the +10% AP effect won't be as worthwhile.

Bah!

Gimme mah WF totem, forget interrupts

Seriously, we do just fine with the tank and someone else randomly interrupting her, plus CoT.

so do you just DPS her down, and let a few heals get off when iceblocked/no energy?

Yeah, and we save her for last. We kill the shaman first (darned totems), then the hunter, then his pet, then finally the priest. So far we haven't had any real problems.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: AntiFreze

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: DarkRipper
I agree completely. We don't have any elemental shaman to do it though

We usually put one of our newer rogues on the job, or a dps warrior if we have more than one.
Our enhancement shammie is running with the melee dps group, and our healing shamans are too busy, of course.

Enhancement Shaman is the best bet because of the Focused effect that they can gain (which is incredibly super awesome). As they probably won't waste much mana doing it, but then the +10% AP effect won't be as worthwhile.

Bah!

Gimme mah WF totem, forget interrupts

Seriously, we do just fine with the tank and someone else randomly interrupting her, plus CoT.

so do you just DPS her down, and let a few heals get off when iceblocked/no energy?

Yeah, and we save her for last. We kill the shaman first (darned totems), then the hunter, then his pet, then finally the priest. So far we haven't had any real problems.

this is also how we do it, she dies last

IIRC Xavier434's guild ignores the spitfire totems and just nukes the shaman to kill it faster

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: CKent
I'm pretty good. Maybe not the best, but I have a solid understanding of the classes I play and always seek to learn more by reading various forums, including the EJ mage writeup. Simply put, an equally geared & skilled mage cannot compete with a warlock or rogue. I'm not going to bother with a mathematical proof, anyone doing tier 5+ content will agree with that.

Well yeah, we all know warlocks are just too O.P. (even Nymh says so :Q). I get to listen to my brother tell me how he gets 4k+ shadowbolt crits in-between all the DoTs and other crap. Although I've had 4k fireball crits before without even being in a raid and having blues and greens (and I'm not arcane spec) .

This is my mage:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft....xml?r=Alleria&n=Cureli

Buffed properly I have 33% fire crit . I still need to get the SMV helm but I have yet to find anyone to do it and my guilds aren't entirely helpful when it comes to anyone but a select few.

Best part about yesterday is that I was helping my warlock do ST and the instance servers crashed when I was at Jammal'an the Prophet ~_~. Thankfully my lock shouldn't have lost his feathers so I'll just clear it again with two 70s rather than my shaman and the lock. Probably my shaman and my warrior :evil:! I'm thinking about going to Outlands at 60 instead of 62 like I normally do. As much as I prefer having that huge head start, I really want to get my lock "pimped out" to see how much more awesome his damage can be!

 

[Anubis]

if your brother speced destro he would get 8-10K SB crits all the time, he wouldent have dots at that spec tho but who needs them when you see 10K appear on your screen every 2.5s

as aff highest ive seen is around 5K, i like being the only aff lock tho, im basicially 100% gaurenteed a raid spot, Shadow Embrace and mal FTW



and lock arnt OP, rogues wars and BM hunters own us just as eaisily as we own mages


rock/paper/scis

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
if your brother speced destro he would get 8-10K SB crits all the time, he wouldent have dots at that spec tho but who needs them when you see 10K appear on your screen every 2.5s

as aff highest ive seen is around 5K, i like being the only aff lock tho, im basicially 100% gaurenteed a raid spot, Shadow Embrace and mal FTW

and lock arnt OP, rogues wars and BM hunters own us just as eaisily as we own mages

He's got some weird looking Affliction build:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft....ning%27s+Blade&n=Scahl

I actually use Shadow Embrace right now (1/5) because it works well with the talent that makes Drain Life do more . Since Shadow Embrace is an affliction effect.

Ohhh and no trying to pass off the OP-ness of your class .

 

[QuantumPion]

Woo hoo we killed Illidan last night. The staff dropped, and it went to our boomkin (who was forced to spec resto for the past month due to lack of healers, so it was kind of a bribe heh).

 

[AntiFreze]

Well I went on a kara speed run last night, everyboss in 3.5 hours. I got the boots off of moroes (to replace my rapscillion boots), and I earned enough badges for assassin bracers. Sptie blade didnt drop and lost the roll on the garona ring from curator (damn you pathfinder ring). After tonight I should have the belt of deep shadows. wow, a lot of new equipment.

now i just need to buy 5 gems (rare quality), and a new meta gem since I'll have 2r 2b 2y setup. Some people in my guild told me not to get the bracers because i should wait for the 2.4 badge gear, but isn't that going to go live in like 6-8 weeks? Any thoughts on that?

 

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: AntiFreze

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: DarkRipper
I agree completely. We don't have any elemental shaman to do it though

We usually put one of our newer rogues on the job, or a dps warrior if we have more than one.
Our enhancement shammie is running with the melee dps group, and our healing shamans are too busy, of course.

Enhancement Shaman is the best bet because of the Focused effect that they can gain (which is incredibly super awesome). As they probably won't waste much mana doing it, but then the +10% AP effect won't be as worthwhile.

Bah!

Gimme mah WF totem, forget interrupts

Seriously, we do just fine with the tank and someone else randomly interrupting her, plus CoT.

so do you just DPS her down, and let a few heals get off when iceblocked/no energy?

Yeah, and we save her for last. We kill the shaman first (darned totems), then the hunter, then his pet, then finally the priest. So far we haven't had any real problems.

this is also how we do it, she dies last

IIRC Xavier434's guild ignores the spitfire totems and just nukes the shaman to kill it faster

We tossed this idea around but the healers QQed too much so we /tar /attack the spitfires now.

 

[DarkRipper]

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
now i just need to buy 5 gems (rare quality), and a new meta gem since I'll have 2r 2b 2y setup. Some people in my guild told me not to get the bracers because i should wait for the 2.4 badge gear, but isn't that going to go live in like 6-8 weeks? Any thoughts on that?

Get the bracers now (they're really quite good, you'll notice a dps increase) and replace something else with the 2.4 badge rewards.

Once everything else is upgraded, THEN get the new 2.4 bracers (are there bracers in the 2.4 loots?).

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Anubis
if your brother speced destro he would get 8-10K SB crits all the time, he wouldent have dots at that spec tho but who needs them when you see 10K appear on your screen every 2.5s

as aff highest ive seen is around 5K, i like being the only aff lock tho, im basicially 100% gaurenteed a raid spot, Shadow Embrace and mal FTW

and lock arnt OP, rogues wars and BM hunters own us just as eaisily as we own mages

He's got some weird looking Affliction build:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft....ning%27s+Blade&n=Scahl

I actually use Shadow Embrace right now (1/5) because it works well with the talent that makes Drain Life do more . Since Shadow Embrace is an affliction effect.

Ohhh and no trying to pass off the OP-ness of your class .

illl look at his build later blocked at work :/
yea i have 5/5 SE and 3/3 mal for utility
depending on the fight i can still come in the top 5 damage wise, which is funny cause one of the locks who is also a officer/coGM is alwaus like look at melbus damage and he is utility spec, the rest of you need to step it up

think i was 5 on kael last night
T5 chest FTW

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
now i just need to buy 5 gems (rare quality), and a new meta gem since I'll have 2r 2b 2y setup. Some people in my guild told me not to get the bracers because i should wait for the 2.4 badge gear, but isn't that going to go live in like 6-8 weeks? Any thoughts on that?

Get the bracers now (they're really quite good, you'll notice a dps increase) and replace something else with the 2.4 badge rewards.

Once everything else is upgraded, THEN get the new 2.4 bracers (are there bracers in the 2.4 loots?).

yes get the gear now


i say this and im saving badges for 2.4 LOL but only thing i need is that PVP trinket

 

[AntiFreze]

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
now i just need to buy 5 gems (rare quality), and a new meta gem since I'll have 2r 2b 2y setup. Some people in my guild told me not to get the bracers because i should wait for the 2.4 badge gear, but isn't that going to go live in like 6-8 weeks? Any thoughts on that?

Get the bracers now (they're really quite good, you'll notice a dps increase) and replace something else with the 2.4 badge rewards.

Once everything else is upgraded, THEN get the new 2.4 bracers (are there bracers in the 2.4 loots?).

that's what I was thinking. So i got the bracers I need to do some dailies to get the money for my gems (as well as the 12agi to boots, and 24ap to bracers). I think ill do all 4agi 4hit in all 3 red and yellow. For the 2 blue, I'll probably do the sta + agi ones to start, and get that str + agi one from heroic.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
illl look at his build later blocked at work :/
yea i have 5/5 SE and 3/3 mal for utility
depending on the fight i can still come in the top 5 damage wise, which is funny cause one of the locks who is also a officer/coGM is alwaus like look at melbus damage and he is utility spec, the rest of you need to step it up

think i was 5 on kael last night
T5 chest FTW

What spec are they? 0/21/40? Do they have the right gear for it?

Here's his build on wowhead if that's not blocked:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IE0bbRftqzZsoZxx0tr0z

Here's the build that I'd use for raiding. It's also built for standard PVE so it's not really sapping every little bit of DPS. It also relies on other locks to have Imp SB. Also requires better gear since I don't have the +spell hit talent.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMriRftqtco0bZVx0z

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Anubis
illl look at his build later blocked at work :/
yea i have 5/5 SE and 3/3 mal for utility
depending on the fight i can still come in the top 5 damage wise, which is funny cause one of the locks who is also a officer/coGM is alwaus like look at melbus damage and he is utility spec, the rest of you need to step it up

think i was 5 on kael last night
T5 chest FTW

What spec are they? 0/21/40? Do they have the right gear for it?

Here's his build on wowhead if that's not blocked:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IE0bbRftqzZsoZxx0tr0z

Here's the build that I'd use for raiding. It's also built for standard PVE so it's not really sapping every little bit of DPS. It also relies on other locks to have Imp SB. Also requires better gear since I don't have the +spell hit talent.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMriRftqtco0bZVx0z

we have 2 0/21/40 locks who do have the gear for it and one 5/41/15 (i think) demo felguard lock and me, and the steping up DPS comment is normally not aimed at locks the 4 of us are always in the top grouping, unless its some non caster friendly fight

the felguard locks DPS is on par with the destro locks

wowhead is also blocked here, tho i am curious to what your build is, if its not UA aff or Felguard Demo then im at a total loss

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: Anubis


this is also how we do it, she dies last

IIRC Xavier434's guild ignores the spitfire totems and just nukes the shaman to kill it faster

We tossed this idea around but the healers QQed too much so we /tar /attack the spitfires now.

Our guild manages to heal through all damage only using me (resto druid) and a resto shaman for the raid damage. Both of us also manage to help out heal the Shaman tank while we are doing all of that. We don't even kill the Shaman first. We kill the hunter first. Granted, it isn't easy but it is most certainly doable. I normally run out of mana just as the Shaman dies, but I just pop innervate as we run to the priest to kill her. It always works out ok.


Also, in regards to people skipping SSC/TK and going straight to Hyjal/BT, I am sure this will be attempted but I can also guarantee that those guilds will hit a major road block after the first couple bosses in both instances for these reasons:

1. DPS will be way too low and the results will be enrage timer issues and healers running out of mana.

2. Stam across the whole raid will suck which will result in more deaths and more of a need for healers to use spells which are not mana efficient in order to keep everyone alive.

3. Healers being forced to do what I said in #2 will result in them running out of mana faster and not being able to give the DPS the time they need to kill the boss.

4. Tanks will be low on stam and will die from spike damage much more often. The guilds will then need to rely a lot more on luck when it comes to things like not getting two crushing blows in a row resulting in a wipe from tank death.

5. Tanks in general will not be able to mitigate damage nearly as much due to stats which will also impact healer mana and further lessen the available time for DPS to kill the boss.

6. General lack in raid experience with the encounters in SSC/TK (Not just talking Vashj and Kael here) will result in many more members of the raid to screw up resulting in many more wipes. Raiding will feel much more like a frustrating job than it will fun as they bang their heads against a wall wipe after wipe after wipe.



Now, the raids which should be able to move on will be those who have cleared pretty much all of SSC/TK and have been farming the gear there for some time now. I do not believe the guilds will need to have killed Vashj or Kael to be successful in BT/Hyjal.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: Anubis


this is also how we do it, she dies last

IIRC Xavier434's guild ignores the spitfire totems and just nukes the shaman to kill it faster

We tossed this idea around but the healers QQed too much so we /tar /attack the spitfires now.

Also, in regards to people skipping SSC/TK and going straight to Hyjal/BT, I am sure this will be attempted but I can also guarantee that those guilds will hit a major road block after the first couple bosses in both instances for these reasons:

2. Stam across the whole raid will suck which will result in more deaths and more of a need for healers to use spells which are not mana efficient in order to keep everyone alive.
.

this reason alone is why most wont get anywhere in BT
Naj nails the raid for 8500 damage after every shield drop, even my guild who actually kills Vashj and Kael has to have people put on stam gear for it, especially priests

 

[invidia]

I have a general question about your guilds. Is anyone in a guild that has been created since the release of BC or pre-BC that still exists and raids actively with a loot council?

I've been through several 25-man raiding guilds that used the loot council and have broken up, all of them due to loot dispute. It seems that these types of guilds can't stay together too long. Yet, I've been in guilds that were formed since WoW release that used the DKP system whom are still active and raiding today.

 

[AntiFreze]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: DarkRipper

Originally posted by: Anubis


this is also how we do it, she dies last

IIRC Xavier434's guild ignores the spitfire totems and just nukes the shaman to kill it faster

We tossed this idea around but the healers QQed too much so we /tar /attack the spitfires now.

Also, in regards to people skipping SSC/TK and going straight to Hyjal/BT, I am sure this will be attempted but I can also guarantee that those guilds will hit a major road block after the first couple bosses in both instances for these reasons:

2. Stam across the whole raid will suck which will result in more deaths and more of a need for healers to use spells which are not mana efficient in order to keep everyone alive.
.

this reason alone is why most wont get anywhere in BT
Naj nails the raid for 8500 damage after every shield drop, even my guild who actually kills Vashj and Kael has to have people put on stam gear for it, especially priests

And that's why my guild has clearly stated to the members that we will be progressing through all of SSC/TK before stepping foot in hyjal. I want to earn my way through to BT (even with the nerfs and attunement taken out)

 

[Glayde]

I wouldn't call the loot system the direct reason a guild breaks up but a factor.

Moreso, the reasons a certain loot system is chosen, are a function of the leadership. The leadership is the key to the success/failure of a guild.