The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: BadRobot

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Why are all the Shamans so upset in the forums?

Its what we do.

I'm having fun with my Shaman so far.

For fucks sake - why do people keep playing the goddamn game if all they do is complain about it?

Hehe this is why my time spent in WoW PvP in limited to almost non existant. You would be shocked at how little there is to complain about at that point. In fact, with exception of this recent upcoming LB nerf, I can't remember a single other nerf for resto druids in the past 2 years. If any did happen then I guess I didn't care enough to pay any attention. Unless one considers the whole trinket plus LB thing taken away as a nerf. Personally I just see that as patching up an unintended exploit but that is just me.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: BadRobot

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Why are all the Shamans so upset in the forums?

Its what we do.

I'm having fun with my Shaman so far.

For fucks sake - why do people keep playing the goddamn game if all they do is complain about it?

the % of people who bitch on the wow forums compaired to the total player base is TINY


most people dont bitch


and the main reeason for most complaints is because Blizzard seemingly does not listen to its player base and changes things that dont need any changeing randomally

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Anubis
and the main reeason for most complaints is because Blizzard seemingly does not listen to its player base and changes things that dont need any changeing randomally

You know...I wonder how this LB coefficient thing will pan out in the end. I have yet to gain a full understanding of why they are making this change. I mean, I have heard the different opinions from the public but what is Blizz's justification? I am too lazy to sift through the cess pool otherwise known as the class forums to find out.

I remember how things went down with the reduction in the mages coefficients and how they eventually reverted the change. I am not certain if the LB change will be as drastic or merit a reversal but I also wouldn't be shocked if the difference is at least reduced.

 

[Beev]

They're changing just because they feel it needs it. That's pretty much the way it is, as vague as it sounds.

It's like the Warlock drain mana change. They reduced (removed?) the +dmg coefficient for it, but made it's base 50% stronger. But just yesterday they reverted the extra base damage, but left the coefficient change the same. Drain mana was almost completely worthless to begin with, but now it doesn't even deserve a place on a hotbar, assuming it had one anyway.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis
and the main reeason for most complaints is because Blizzard seemingly does not listen to its player base and changes things that dont need any changeing randomally

You know...I wonder how this LB coefficient thing will pan out in the end. I have yet to gain a full understanding of why they are making this change.

i dont think anyone knows, if they want to tweak them in PVP it was not the issue the Cyclone -> cyclone-> cyclone-> charge/bash-> root -> no more dimininsging returns -> cyclone spam is what needed to be looked at

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Beev
They're changing just because they feel it needs it. That's pretty much the way it is, as vague as it sounds.

It's like the Warlock drain mana change. They reduced (removed?) the +dmg coefficient for it, but made it's base 50% stronger. But just yesterday they reverted the extra base damage, but left the coefficient change the same. Drain mana was almost completely worthless to begin with, but now it doesn't even deserve a place on a hotbar, assuming it had one anyway.

they also made it take a hit from resiliance . so yes if it stays the way it is it will be pretty much worthless. the main way Lock won in 2v2 was by draining the mana of the other teams healer and outlasting them, a Sl/SL lock cant burst down anything and our dots arnt that strong in that spec

and yes it was on my hot bar and was basicialy the only button i pressed in 3v3 and 2v2
mana drain teams are very strong, drian and outlast, hunter/lock/disc priest can OOM someone in about 8 seconds

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis
and the main reeason for most complaints is because Blizzard seemingly does not listen to its player base and changes things that dont need any changeing randomally

You know...I wonder how this LB coefficient thing will pan out in the end. I have yet to gain a full understanding of why they are making this change.

i dont think anyone knows, if they want to tweak them in PVP it was not the issue the Cyclone -> cyclone-> cyclone-> charge/bash-> root -> no more dimininsging returns -> cyclone spam is what needed to be looked at

A lot of the arguments in my guild center around it being more of a nerf intended for PvE today. I tend to agree with my guild in the sense that Blizz had PvE in mind at least partially but I really disagree with the decision in general. This has been a heated discussion between a few members and I for most of the day.

In the end I will most likely just look at this nerf like I do all nerfs for all classes which is to pretend that the nerf was always there to begin with. It's complete denial, but it helps me retain the fact that it is just a game and I shouldn't lose sleep over it.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis
and the main reeason for most complaints is because Blizzard seemingly does not listen to its player base and changes things that dont need any changeing randomally

You know...I wonder how this LB coefficient thing will pan out in the end. I have yet to gain a full understanding of why they are making this change.

i dont think anyone knows, if they want to tweak them in PVP it was not the issue the Cyclone -> cyclone-> cyclone-> charge/bash-> root -> no more dimininsging returns -> cyclone spam is what needed to be looked at

A lot of the arguments in my guild center around it being more of a nerf intended for PvE today. I tend to agree with my guild in the sense that Blizz had PvE in mind at least partially but I really disagree with the decision in general. This has been a heated discussion between a few members and I for most of the day.

In the end I will most likely just look at this nerf like I do all nerfs for all classes which is to pretend that the nerf was always there to begin with. It's complete denial, but it helps me retain the fact that it is just a game and I shouldn't lose sleep over it.

LOL at that 2nd part

i personally dont think they needed a PVE nerf, however maybe its because of the spirit changes, our druids allready have an insane ammnt of regen thats only gonna get more insane

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
i dont think anyone knows, if they want to tweak them in PVP it was not the issue the Cyclone -> cyclone-> cyclone-> charge/bash-> root -> no more dimininsging returns -> cyclone spam is what needed to be looked at

Just add a debuff so you can't be cycloned more than once in a row... something like a 10 second debuff.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Anubis
i dont think anyone knows, if they want to tweak them in PVP it was not the issue the Cyclone -> cyclone-> cyclone-> charge/bash-> root -> no more dimininsging returns -> cyclone spam is what needed to be looked at

Just add a debuff so you can't be cycloned more than once in a row... something like a 10 second debuff.

it wouldent even need that putting cyclone and roots/ bash on the same DR timer would fix it

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
it wouldent even need that putting cyclone and roots/ bash on the same DR timer would fix it

But bash would then not be on the same DR as stuns then, which is what it currently is on.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Heh this thread was too big to load on my blackberry.

 

[Anubis]

so whats this i hear about heroic badges from dailys LOL even easier epics

 

[BadRobot]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: BadRobot

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Why are all the Shamans so upset in the forums?

Its what we do.

I'm having fun with my Shaman so far.

For fucks sake - why do people keep playing the goddamn game if all they do is complain about it?

Hehe this is why my time spent in WoW PvP in limited to almost non existant. You would be shocked at how little there is to complain about at that point. In fact, with exception of this recent upcoming LB nerf, I can't remember a single other nerf for resto druids in the past 2 years. If any did happen then I guess I didn't care enough to pay any attention. Unless one considers the whole trinket plus LB thing taken away as a nerf. Personally I just see that as patching up an unintended exploit but that is just me.

I don't hate playing a shaman. It just makes me sad sometimes when I'm fighting equally geared people and they go 'Lulz shaman'.

 

[Reckoner]

Will they ever give my fucking mage an upgrade? Hot diggity damn I hate playing my crit right now. I rolled a druid in it's place.

 

[Jschmuck2]

So that brings me back to my original question - is anyone in a casual type guild that could use a good player? That's where I'm looking to go

 

[coloumb]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: BadRobot

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Why are all the Shamans so upset in the forums?

Its what we do.

I'm having fun with my Shaman so far.

For fucks sake - why do people keep playing the goddamn game if all they do is complain about it?

Most of the people who post on the forums only make up a small % of the actual player base. If you read the forums - it looks like it's mainly a bunch of k1dd13s posting the same crap over and over again about complaints about PVP. It boils down to a few types of complaints:

- AV is imbalanced
- Premades shouldn't be allowed to fight pugs
- [insert class spell here] is way OP - nerf it [what they are really saying is "I don't want to learn how to counter-spell it so please nerf it" or "I want it nerfed so my "I win" spell works all the time]

Quite a few posts are also from people who are bored at work - so they spam crap just to start flame wars to keep their work day interesting...

If you ignore the forums and just play the game - you probably won't encounter very many negative comments. Well...except in the BG's when you're in a pug going up against a premade

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: coloumb

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: BadRobot

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Why are all the Shamans so upset in the forums?

Its what we do.

I'm having fun with my Shaman so far.

For fucks sake - why do people keep playing the goddamn game if all they do is complain about it?

Most of the people who post on the forums only make up a small % of the actual player base. If you read the forums - it looks like it's mainly a bunch of k1dd13s posting the same crap over and over again about complaints about PVP. It boils down to a few types of complaints:

- AV is imbalanced
- Premades shouldn't be allowed to fight pugs
- [insert class spell here] is way OP - nerf it [what they are really saying is "I don't want to learn how to counter-spell it so please nerf it" or "I want it nerfed so my "I win" spell works all the time]

Quite a few posts are also from people who are bored at work - so they spam crap just to start flame wars to keep their work day interesting...

If you ignore the forums and just play the game - you probably won't encounter very many negative comments. Well...except in the BG's when you're in a pug going up against a premade

ive always said that the class specific forums are alright, i read the lock one alot and yes there is some bitching bu in general its pretty helpfull, the raid forum is decent also, the PVP Off topic and General ones are where the most QQ is

test realm forum is always nice to read to see whats going on there if you dont play on it and the realm forums are alright


we killed Gorefiend and Bloodboil last night, so the first 5 bossin BT are easier then lady Vashj and Keal, i still LOL at that

on a side note all we ever get is DPS loot, our tanks hate that

 

[Aikouka]

Hah, Blizzard changed T6 on the PTR. 3 of the 5 pieces of rogue gear now have absolutely no stam except in the gem bonus . Same with Huntard T6. Also all Shaman gear :shocked:! Mages too . Man, I need to stop looking, these are kind of depressing.

EDIT:

Oh and to make Anubis happy, locks are getting stam removed off the belt, bracers and boots .

http://media.curse.com/dl2/23/116/284.jpg/warlock.jpg

 

[Glayde]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Hah, Blizzard changed T6 on the PTR. 3 of the 5 pieces of rogue gear now have absolutely no stam except in the gem bonus . Same with Huntard T6. Also all Shaman gear :shocked:! Mages too . Man, I need to stop looking, these are kind of depressing.

EDIT:

Oh and to make Anubis happy, locks are getting stam removed off the belt, bracers and boots .

http://media.curse.com/dl2/23/116/284.jpg/warlock.jpg

To clarify what he said, the original 5 pieces of tier 6, head, chest, shoulders, legs, gloves, are unchanged.

The new t6 items, wrist, belt and boots, are having the stamina removed from the previous test versions, except for the prot warrior pieces. This is mainly to discourage people from taking 4pc pvp set and 4 pc t6 set bonuses into arenas at the same time.

I personally like it, it makes the new 3 slots better dps/hps wise, and you can always swap stuff around for stamina situationally. Have to see if they put the stamina back on the new feral set pieces, for the same reason the did leave it on the new prot warrior pieces.

 

[lupi]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft....picId=4822043509&sid=1


Saw the above thread linked from the wow general forum. Apperantly its about some chick who has gotten in a couple guilds, gotten a bunch of raid loot then bailed.


Oh yeah, something about getting those guild invites by sending nude photos which are linked in the wow thread too.

 

[Xavier434]

2.4 is slowly getting more and more nerfs. It has buffs too but damn...I hope the nerfs end here or else Blizz might be getting in a little over their heads with changes.

I keep thinking more about the LB nerf and the more I think about it the less sense it makes. You see, the mana regen buff coming along with it (it will be huge for me) might very well allow me to use Regrowth quite a bit more when I am concentrating on 1-3 targets for healing. So, even with the LB nerf, the increased efficiency in mana regen will ultimately result in more healing over time on my targets. That further confuses me though. This nerf is far more PvE oriented than PvP so I have to ask why? Why are they nerfing it while allowing us to heal more on a single target overall? My only explaination is that they want to influence the use of regrowth more since it is ignored quite a bit but that seems like one hell of a push considering the effect that the mana regen changes will have on all classes and how LB is a resto druids bread and butter.

Regardless, I am still pissed because since the nerf is a coefficient change that means it will continuously effect us worse and worse as our gear increases in power. I am so confused...

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: lupi
http://forums.worldofwarcraft....picId=4822043509&sid=1


Saw the above thread linked from the wow general forum. Apperantly its about some chick who has gotten in a couple guilds, gotten a bunch of raid loot then bailed.


Oh yeah, something about getting those guild invites by sending nude photos which are linked in the wow thread too.

lol thats funny i was just reading that as it was linked off the skullcrusher realm forums lol

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Hah, Blizzard changed T6 on the PTR. 3 of the 5 pieces of rogue gear now have absolutely no stam except in the gem bonus . Same with Huntard T6. Also all Shaman gear :shocked:! Mages too . Man, I need to stop looking, these are kind of depressing.

EDIT:

Oh and to make Anubis happy, locks are getting stam removed off the belt, bracers and boots .

http://media.curse.com/dl2/23/116/284.jpg/warlock.jpg

i dont have stam issues, i dont even have Demonic Embrace (the 15% increased stam Talent), only time i die is during a wipe, or if bloodboil fel rages me, last night i took 60K damage in under 2 seconds lol

and for an affliction warlock putting 2x 12 damage gems in frozen shadoweave are still better then the T6 boots

 

[Chimley]

Originally posted by: Glayde

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Hah, Blizzard changed T6 on the PTR. 3 of the 5 pieces of rogue gear now have absolutely no stam except in the gem bonus . Same with Huntard T6. Also all Shaman gear :shocked:! Mages too . Man, I need to stop looking, these are kind of depressing.

EDIT:

Oh and to make Anubis happy, locks are getting stam removed off the belt, bracers and boots .

http://media.curse.com/dl2/23/116/284.jpg/warlock.jpg

To clarify what he said, the original 5 pieces of tier 6, head, chest, shoulders, legs, gloves, are unchanged.

The new t6 items, wrist, belt and boots, are having the stamina removed from the previous test versions, except for the prot warrior pieces. This is mainly to discourage people from taking 4pc pvp set and 4 pc t6 set bonuses into arenas at the same time.

I personally like it, it makes the new 3 slots better dps/hps wise, and you can always swap stuff around for stamina situationally. Have to see if they put the stamina back on the new feral set pieces, for the same reason the did leave it on the new prot warrior pieces.

See, it's this type of shit that's really getting old with Blizzard as of late. They keep making changes to the game based on how it affects PVP, regardless of how it affects the PvE aspect.

I mean, hell, those that raid will survive. We'll adapt our strats, change up gear if needed, respec or whatever. But every patch has seen some "tuning" to talent specs, and gear choices and whatever. All to compensate for Arena PVP bullshit.. and it's getting old.

WoW is a PvE game with PVP slapped on. Stop fucking nerfing my raids because of the arena kiddies

Xavier.. I feel your pain. Couple of my resto druids are up in arms about the LB changes and I don't blame them.


Anubis.. is your guild "The Greater Good"?. I was sitting by the Summoning Stone playing around with some of them yesterday in front of BT :>