The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Give it time. At this point, the change really won't have an impact until Season 4 begins anyways. Too many of those douche bags already have their S3 epics for it to make a difference right now.

It would actually help right now because they have the high personal rating. But if I remember correctly, all ratings (including personal) are reset on season change, so in the beginning, you still have to fight people in S3-ish gear and get roflstomped for awhile .

Thankfully now I'm going to be picking up the reputation PVP gear.

I was on my undead rogue last night and I did some PVP for fun... I was so disappointed. The fact that a balance druid practically killed me by spamming moonfire the entire time (okay, he did an insect swarm too) is farkin' ludicrous! I don't have a ton of health, but 8000+ getting practically killed with someone hitting one key. I thought Blizzard tried to stop that, but it looks like there was epic fail.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: Beev
That location move for the horde start is such crap. The other changes are great and needed done, but not the cave move.

It's because Horde can b-line straight to their objective by jumping down cliffs.

 

[lupi]

Finally took the time to read through all the 2.4 notes. As one that spent 6 hours last week fishing, about damn time.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
It's because Horde can b-line straight to their objective by jumping down cliffs.

That was one advantage. Can you list any more?

Alliance Bridge, tower guards overlooking the Aid Station, three ways to get into horde base, nearly all base npc's are avoidable, horde towers can't see or even reach the relief hut, etc.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Beev
That was one advantage. Can you list any more?

Alliance Bridge, tower guards overlooking the Aid Station, three ways to get into horde base, nearly all base npc's are avoidable, horde towers can't see or even reach the relief hut, etc.

You can get the Aid Station without being hit by the archers by the way.

There are only two ways to get into the horde base itself (ignoring the bottom village area). One involves a break in the fence by the east tower.

I expected better out of you!

Awhile back, I actually listed all of the AV issues for both Horde and Alliance. Believe it or not, the reason why Horde can easily roflstomp Alliance in AV is also because of a natural terrain advantage that Horde get when they have certain graveyards (and also because Alliance suck).

I could list these again if you'd like.

 

[Lamont Burns]

Mostly b/c Alliance suck. The terrain advantages are weak. It's when Horde plays D and has overall better PvP skills. When games are close in my BG, meaning reinforcement runouts and equal amounts of bunkers have been capped... Horde win about 99% of the time b/c of far better killing power.

If Alliance could not get to our Aid and cap it with 3 people, none requiring stealth, they would never win.

I never understood as well why the lvl 55 non elites with elite HPs as well as 6-8 more NPCs were never moved in the Alliance base. I also find it funny that when you cap Aid the Horde guards suicide to a nearby Alliance NPC. Great defense there fellas.

I look forward to AV premades. ha!

 

[AntiFreze]

I'm surprised 2.4 hit today. Going to avoid WoW for the night while the fixes are made. Then it's back into SSC wednesday. I have about 60 badges and I need 260 total. I wonder how long it will take doing bosses in SSC, TK, and Kara. Hopefully just a month.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Beev
That was one advantage. Can you list any more?

Alliance Bridge, tower guards overlooking the Aid Station, three ways to get into horde base, nearly all base npc's are avoidable, horde towers can't see or even reach the relief hut, etc.

You can get the Aid Station without being hit by the archers by the way.
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if you are 1 of 2 classes with stealth, otherwise no you cant

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
if you are 1 of 2 classes with stealth, otherwise no you cant

You cannot be hit on the NW side of the AS banner. If you can kill the guards and not be a doofus enough to aggro the bounty hunters and murgot deepforge, you're usually fine. Also you need to avoid dying by the archers.

I almost guarantee that AV would be nearly 100% balanced if they'd implement fixes for all of the issues that I listed earlier. This includes fixes for both sides. Also, if you play both sides, you'll easily see that Horde have a huge terrain advantage when it comes to defending/creating a choke point.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
You can get the Aid Station without being hit by the archers by the way.

There are only two ways to get into the horde base itself (ignoring the bottom village area). One involves a break in the fence by the east tower.

I expected better out of you!

Awhile back, I actually listed all of the AV issues for both Horde and Alliance. Believe it or not, the reason why Horde can easily roflstomp Alliance in AV is also because of a natural terrain advantage that Horde get when they have certain graveyards (and also because Alliance suck).

I could list these again if you'd like.

I meant the lower initial village area. Sure though, paste your list. In the end it all boils down to Alliance sucking, though Terrain advantages on graveyards don't really mean anything when both sides can get it.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Beev
Terrain advantages on graveyards don't really mean anything when both sides can get it.

Actually it does. I'll either comb through the thread or just retype them.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Anubis
if you are 1 of 2 classes with stealth, otherwise no you cant

You cannot be hit on the NW side of the AS banner. If you can kill the guards and not be a doofus enough to aggro the bounty hunters and murgot deepforge, you're usually fine. Also you need to avoid dying by the archers.

I almost guarantee that AV would be nearly 100% balanced if they'd implement fixes for all of the issues that I listed earlier. This includes fixes for both sides. Also, if you play both sides, you'll easily see that Horde have a huge terrain advantage when it comes to defending/creating a choke point.

on an epic mount with crop 12k HP im dead by archers before i reach the flag even if i agro nothing, you cannot get there without stealth and have any chance of killing the guards and capping it, last time i played ali side i got hit 2 times riding from the dissmount hut to the flag, horde archers suck, and that hut should dissmount you again


horde can defend at IB choke, aliance have SP GY and the bridge
ali still have an advantage here

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
It would actually help right now because they have the high personal rating. But if I remember correctly, all ratings (including personal) are reset on season change, so in the beginning, you still have to fight people in S3-ish gear and get roflstomped for awhile .

Yes, that is accurate. My point is that the damage has already been done. They already have their epics so unless Blizz can somehow distinguish those who have cheated vs those who have not and then remove the epics from the cheaters then you are going to be at a disadvantage in Season 4 regardless. I wouldn't let it bother you too much though. If you are skilled enough and have adequate enough gear then you should still beat these people most of the time. I imagine most of them are not what one would consider experts at PvP which plays a part on why they cheated instead of doing it the legit way.

Skill > Gear....to a point

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Aikouka
It would actually help right now because they have the high personal rating. But if I remember correctly, all ratings (including personal) are reset on season change, so in the beginning, you still have to fight people in S3-ish gear and get roflstomped for awhile .

Yes, that is accurate. My point is that the damage has already been done. They already have their epics so unless Blizz can somehow distinguish those who have cheated vs those who have not and then remove the epics from the cheaters then you are going to be at a disadvantage in Season 4 regardless. I wouldn't let it bother you too much though. If you are skilled enough and have adequate enough gear then you should still beat these people most of the time. I imagine most of them are not what one would consider experts at PvP which plays a part on why they cheated instead of doing it the legit way.

Skill > Gear....to a point

Cheating > skill however

the 2nd highest rated 2s and 3s teams in the world are all win traders

there was a huge thread about it yesterday on the wow forums and of course i can find it now

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Aikouka
It would actually help right now because they have the high personal rating. But if I remember correctly, all ratings (including personal) are reset on season change, so in the beginning, you still have to fight people in S3-ish gear and get roflstomped for awhile .

Yes, that is accurate. My point is that the damage has already been done. They already have their epics so unless Blizz can somehow distinguish those who have cheated vs those who have not and then remove the epics from the cheaters then you are going to be at a disadvantage in Season 4 regardless. I wouldn't let it bother you too much though. If you are skilled enough and have adequate enough gear then you should still beat these people most of the time. I imagine most of them are not what one would consider experts at PvP which plays a part on why they cheated instead of doing it the legit way.

Skill > Gear....to a point

Cheating > skill however

the 2nd highest rated 2s and 3s teams in the world are all win traders

there was a huge thread about it yesterday on the wow forums and of course i can find it now

That is hard to believe. I thought the arena was much more difficult and required much more skill to get that high in rank. I can only assume the people on those teams already had the skill necessary despite cheating.

Cheating is not greater than skill. Having both is certainly a shortcut to success though. In any case, a problem is a problem and fixing this one before S4 will not make much of a difference.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Beev
Terrain advantages on graveyards don't really mean anything when both sides can get it.

Actually it does. I'll either comb through the thread or just retype them.

I'm not saying there aren't any chokepoints on both sides, Iceblood is much better for Horde than Alliance. However, there is no worse chokepoint than the bridge. It is FAR and above the best.

 

[Beev]

Here's a link to a very blatant win trader:

http://eu.wowarmory.com/charac...rushridge&n=D%C3%A0rky

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Aikouka
It would actually help right now because they have the high personal rating. But if I remember correctly, all ratings (including personal) are reset on season change, so in the beginning, you still have to fight people in S3-ish gear and get roflstomped for awhile .

Yes, that is accurate. My point is that the damage has already been done. They already have their epics so unless Blizz can somehow distinguish those who have cheated vs those who have not and then remove the epics from the cheaters then you are going to be at a disadvantage in Season 4 regardless. I wouldn't let it bother you too much though. If you are skilled enough and have adequate enough gear then you should still beat these people most of the time. I imagine most of them are not what one would consider experts at PvP which plays a part on why they cheated instead of doing it the legit way.

Skill > Gear....to a point

Cheating > skill however

the 2nd highest rated 2s and 3s teams in the world are all win traders

there was a huge thread about it yesterday on the wow forums and of course i can find it now

That is hard to believe. I thought the arena was much more difficult and required much more skill to get that high in rank. I can only assume the people on those teams already had the skill necessary despite cheating.

Cheating is not greater than skill. Having both is certainly a shortcut to success though. In any case, a problem is a problem and fixing this one before S4 will not make much of a difference.

no the 2s team is 2 shamans with a combigned resiliance of less then 100, and no they arnt placeholders, the team has played something like 20 games and has a raiting of 2600 or so with a record of 20-0

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Yes, that is accurate. My point is that the damage has already been done. They already have their epics so unless Blizz can somehow distinguish those who have cheated vs those who have not and then remove the epics from the cheaters then you are going to be at a disadvantage in Season 4 regardless. I wouldn't let it bother you too much though. If you are skilled enough and have adequate enough gear then you should still beat these people most of the time. I imagine most of them are not what one would consider experts at PvP which plays a part on why they cheated instead of doing it the legit way.

Skill > Gear....to a point

I think you're missing the people that I'm really talking about. This stops people that sell teams from going up against the newbies. People that buy teams may end up with the crappy personal rating and good gear still, but they aren't necessarily indomitable. Fighting a 2000+ team with full S3... yeah, I just curl up into a fetal position on those fights or we consider it a "win" if we can take one down .

 

[Anubis]

a pretty easy soloution to the power lvling/personal rating selling issue is this, and it would be easy as hell to code

if you have someone on your team with a S3/4 wepon you are automaticially qued in the 1850ish bracket regardless of anything else
if you have S3/4 shoulders you are automatically qued in the 2000ish bracket,

 

[OutHouse]

nm saw the posting witht he updates

for priest it sucks i cant use fear ward while in shadowform...

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Citrix
nm saw the posting witht he updates

for priest it sucks i cant use fear ward while in shadowform...

thought they were changeing that

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Yes, that is accurate. My point is that the damage has already been done. They already have their epics so unless Blizz can somehow distinguish those who have cheated vs those who have not and then remove the epics from the cheaters then you are going to be at a disadvantage in Season 4 regardless. I wouldn't let it bother you too much though. If you are skilled enough and have adequate enough gear then you should still beat these people most of the time. I imagine most of them are not what one would consider experts at PvP which plays a part on why they cheated instead of doing it the legit way.

Skill > Gear....to a point

I think you're missing the people that I'm really talking about. This stops people that sell teams from going up against the newbies. People that buy teams may end up with the crappy personal rating and good gear still, but they aren't necessarily indomitable. Fighting a 2000+ team with full S3... yeah, I just curl up into a fetal position on those fights or we consider it a "win" if we can take one down .

Ya I understand. Keep in mind that I support the upcoming change. It's just that I believe it won't make much of a difference whether it is released now or a month from now. The differences it would make will be minor and at best can be considered a small band aid until S4. In any case, it doesn't hurt for the change to be released sooner either.

 

[OutHouse]

In WSG a single healing priest can turn the tide of the game with escorting skills as well as mind vision.

hummm i never thought about using mindvision or mind control. i will do that tonight... especially mind control heheheh

 

[Aikouka]

Here's a quick list of issues that I drew up. I might be forgetting something

1) Towers vs Bunkers
Frankly, Bunkers > Towers. It is much easier to ninja a tower than it is to ninja a bunker because as long as you can make it to the top of the tower, the archers cannot hit you while you're inside. Ninjaing a bunker requires making a specific archer unable to fire (sap, poly, whatever).

2) Unequal Graveyards
When it comes to creating a good chokepoint, you need to be have two things. First, the ability to back feed reinforcements from a close spawn point in case of death. Second, a tight (preferably single) area to defend. More defense points means more people required. Unfortunately, there are currently only two good spots for this: Iceblood and Stonehearth. The problem currently is that both spots are poor for Alliance and good for Horde. The reason is that there are two ways up from Stonehearth. You can place people at Icewing bunker, but the problem there is, you're front feeding your choke point and you'll be required to really defend the graveyard as much as the choke point. Iceblood also has two ways past it. You can move forward a bit and defend from there, but it's still a wide area to block compared to the path going up after Iceblood Tower.

3) Bases are not equal.
This is actually a bunch of issues all compiled into one where most are negative against the Horde. Current, you can jump over the Horde fence via a snow mound. You can also run up the side of the mountain avoiding aggro from all NPCs except Sergeant Yazra Bloodsnarl and the archers. Except, the archers cannot hit you until you leave the tower thing in between. The Horde guards for the aid station always aggro the stable master. The towers are not close enough to hit people crossing the bridge in the FW base or further back. Since the archers in the FW base cannot hit people until they leave the small tower thing (and only a few can hit you anyway), they do not significantly pick people off like the Alliance archers do on the bridge.

4) Balinda vs Galv
I need to look into this one more to see if it's still relevent. Although, I still think Balinda is easier than Galv mechanic-wise.

Originally posted by: Citrix
hummm i never thought about using mindvision or mind control. i will do that tonight... especially mind control heheheh

I use it at Lumber Mill to throw people off the cliff. You could technically also use it outside Blacksmith to throw people off the cliff there too. It's oodles and oodles of fun !

 

[lupi]

What's the details on this set of pvp blues you can buy from faction vendors?