The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Xavier434
This is true but then we go back to the whole lack of teamwork in the pug BGs. You can be a part of a pug AV and still witness enough teamwork as a healer to make ends meet. You can't expect that in any of the others. This is especially true if you are not rich in pvp gear as a healer which ends up being a catch 22 since I would need to spend many hours playing BGs just to get the gear which is supposed to make it more fun for me. Meh...even thinking about it makes me shudder. Unfortunately, for people like me, the pvp system is a long dark tunnel with few fruits at the end of it. At the very least, I can get much more enjoyment using that time playing other PvP oriented games.

That's true, the lack of teamwork is really a problem that plagues every aspect of WoW. I believe it comes from the fact that players play almost the entire game by themselves and this isn't really a dumb thing on their part. SNIP.

you make some good points, i as well basicially lvled solo when i started playing wow back in Beta, its just faster and easier as you can do it whenever you want and such, i didnt think i ran BFD a few times but thats about it, soloed to about 30+ before i did anything with people (SM), however working as a group wasent that hard to do as i had played MMOs before,

i think one of the main issues is that everyone wants to be the "Hero" and does not want to support someone else being that hero, mainily healing classes dont ever want to heal


they have fixed, well sorta fixed the buying of arena points with the personal rating on the weps and shoulders, and they did something else so you cant jump around from team to team anymore IIRC

Yesterday i picked up the BG Daily which was WSG, i figured that woudl never get done, beleive it or not horde sucks it up there just as much as ali dies, first game i come into is a group of ali all in S2 arena stuff just GY camping us, they wernt even a premade they just decided to work together,

2nd game we 3 capped and won, had a druid run the flag with a shammy healing him and the rest of us just farmed the ali, Stupid hunter kept trying to take out flag and i would just dot him, he woudl run and then just die which was pretty funny

the Heroic daily is pretty nice also gives you 24G and 2 Badges, full kara clears will give 20 badges and ZA 12 i think if you do the timed things on time, i think you get extra badges for the time thing, coudl be wrong tho

ZA is fun, went in last night and halfassed 2 bosses down, Bear was a typical tank and spank, need 2 tanks and 2-3 healers + 5 dps, basicially for the whole instanbce, Bear has some spike damage but nothing to bad

2nd boss we did was the bird boss (not dragonhawk) gauntlet up to him was sorta annoying but easy once you figured it out, hes really easy once you figure out the strat, hes like Aran 2.0, have to run in and out and have someone kill some bird adds, 2 locks SOC spamming make this cake

Lynx boss has huge spike damage 18k+ is you are unluck 2 pretty geared tanks is helpefullm we didnt kill it but got solid attempts

the instance isnt that hard, most of the people the guild just have Kara/heroic/Arena stuff, we only really do kara and gruul, prob could do mag and lootreaver if we ever had the right people online

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
you make some good points, i as well basicially lvled solo when i started playing wow back in Beta, its just faster and easier as you can do it whenever you want and such, i didnt think i ran BFD a few times but thats about it, soloed to about 30+ before i did anything with people (SM), however working as a group wasent that hard to do as i had played MMOs before,

i think one of the main issues is that everyone wants to be the "Hero" and does not want to support someone else being that hero, mainily healing classes dont ever want to heal

The game is designed by Blizzard with an emphasis on solo play and they said at Blizzcon that Wrath of the Lich King would be no different. Some players simply don't have a hard time adapting to group play. I don't think it's about being a hero though... it's really all about doing what they do normally. Hunters don't turn growl off because they never turn it off during solo play anyway. They send their pet into a group of mobs because that's what they do in solo play. Some people realize their role, but others simply don't.

Well, I also can't blame someone for not wanting to heal... it can get rather boring . Although the idea of being a DPS class and off-healing (like I do on my Shaman) should not be a foreign concept. It's all about being alert, yet most people just focus on one thing and ignore everything else.

Originally posted by: Anubis
Yesterday i picked up the BG Daily which was WSG, i figured that woudl never get done, beleive it or not horde sucks it up there just as much as ali dies, first game i come into is a group of ali all in S2 arena stuff just GY camping us, they wernt even a premade they just decided to work together,

2nd game we 3 capped and won, had a druid run the flag with a shammy healing him and the rest of us just farmed the ali, Stupid hunter kept trying to take out flag and i would just dot him, he woudl run and then just die which was pretty funny

I picked it up yesterday (11/14) and it was Arathi Basin . Unfortunately that's no good for me, because I needed 4 more WSG tokens to get my epix. Well, you can usually say that people with S2 gear would probably work together better than players in blues based on how their gear would require some form of decent teamwork. I wish they'd have more than one type of PVP Daily though. A normal daily (like the one they have now... simply win) and a harder PVP daily with something like "5 cap AB" or "Win WSG 3-0."

That second game sounds kind of like one of my games yesterday. We got their flag and stuff... that was all good. But the 8 people fighting mid-field couldn't just go and kill the guy that took our flag. So I had to go into their base and kill the guy each time because they were too busy fighting mid-field like Blizzard had transposed the Field of Strife (from AV... for those unfamiliar, the FoS is an area where people would just stop and fight instead of doing the objectives in AV) into WSG.

Originally posted by: Anubis
the instance isnt that hard, most of the people the guild just have Kara/heroic/Arena stuff, we only really do kara and gruul, prob could do mag and lootreaver if we ever had the right people online

I may end up doing it when I hit 70 on my undead rogue. My priest could probably jump into it now with his primal mooncloth set (once I finish getting him whitemend and gems/enchants/patches).

 

[Kur]

The reason AV was more PVE focused is because AV was an outside BG before they made it an instance, all the quests, items, etc.. were all added to help increase the questing while doing PVP at the same time. Once they saw that alliance out number horde on most servers they made it an instance instead.

 

[BZeto]

I play on Dethecus, probably the scrubbiest server I've played on so far. Overall its pretty fun with decent world pvp.

We killed everything in ZA except for the very last boss on PTR. Havent gotten into it yet on live.

 

[DuckFat]

Kil'jaeden
70 orc rogue-Duckfat almost done with BT
70 undead priest -nohealsforu PvP healing

 

[Soccerman06]

Dear god they better make it so that Sunwell is challenging and has a lot of upgrades over T6 offset gear (bracers, rings, ect), its just plain dumb seeing gear from Kara and ZA > BT. Of course once Sunwell comes out they will completely nerf Hyjal and BT so that the casual guild can clear it. for not enough end game.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: BZeto
I play on Dethecus, probably the scrubbiest server I've played on so far. Overall its pretty fun with decent world pvp.

We killed everything in ZA except for the very last boss on PTR. Havent gotten into it yet on live.

I would invite you to spend some time on Bronzebeard. The server doesn't have a guild progression thread as much as a guild regression one. Server was released just after release, has been in the upper tier of the pop charts for some time, and consistently manages to barely maintain itself above the low pop servers for in game achievment.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Kur
The reason AV was more PVE focused is because AV was an outside BG before they made it an instance, all the quests, items, etc.. were all added to help increase the questing while doing PVP at the same time. Once they saw that alliance out number horde on most servers they made it an instance instead.

It was also because they couldn't control the numbers that would be in there and as you may remember from battles like TM vs SS, a side with tons of people can easily overpower some guards even if they suck. Although I wonder how Lake Wintergrasp will be controlled in this numbers manner? Even if Alliance outnumber Horde on a server, there's nothing to say there will still be more Horde in that zone.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Dear god they better make it so that Sunwell is challenging and has a lot of upgrades over T6 offset gear (bracers, rings, ect), its just plain dumb seeing gear from Kara and ZA > BT. Of course once Sunwell comes out they will completely nerf Hyjal and BT so that the casual guild can clear it. for not enough end game.

aside from a few random parts and a trinket the gear in ZA is not better then stuff from BT
and Kara stuff really does not compair

hell for my warlock there is essentially nothing in ZA for me that is better then what is available in Kara and grulls/mag/heroics/arena

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Kur
The reason AV was more PVE focused is because AV was an outside BG before they made it an instance, all the quests, items, etc.. were all added to help increase the questing while doing PVP at the same time. Once they saw that alliance out number horde on most servers they made it an instance instead.

It was also because they couldn't control the numbers that would be in there and as you may remember from battles like TM vs SS, a side with tons of people can easily overpower some guards even if they suck. Although I wonder how Lake Wintergrasp will be controlled in this numbers manner? Even if Alliance outnumber Horde on a server, there's nothing to say there will still be more Horde in that zone.

ive played on servers with a large imbalance in fraction and no 1 side dominated the current world PVP things liek Halal and the towers in the bone wastes ect

 

[pravi333]

is there a place we can buy wow gold online? anyone has any experience with them? need some gold for my epic mount. You can PM me the details
thanks

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Dear god they better make it so that Sunwell is challenging and has a lot of upgrades over T6 offset gear (bracers, rings, ect), its just plain dumb seeing gear from Kara and ZA > BT. Of course once Sunwell comes out they will completely nerf Hyjal and BT so that the casual guild can clear it. for not enough end game.

I will be very pleased if BT and Hyjal are nerfed. You have to remember that many of us with strict schedules due to family and work hours like to raid too, but only can afford 2-3 nights a week of less than 5 hours a night. The casual raiding guilds deserve to see the content they pay for too.

Raiding isn't just for the college students and single bachelors with lots of time on their hands

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
Dear god they better make it so that Sunwell is challenging and has a lot of upgrades over T6 offset gear (bracers, rings, ect), its just plain dumb seeing gear from Kara and ZA > BT. Of course once Sunwell comes out they will completely nerf Hyjal and BT so that the casual guild can clear it. for not enough end game.

I will be very pleased if BT and Hyjal are nerfed. You have to remember that many of us with strict schedules due to family and work hours like to raid too, but only can afford 2-3 nights a week of less than 5 hours a night. The casual raiding guilds deserve to see the content they pay for too.

Raiding isn't just for the college students and single bachelors with lots of time on their hands

i would be as well, think about it, any random kara guild isnt just gonna walk in there and kill stuff without doing SSC and TK first, itll benefit those that cant kill Vash and Keal which are 2 fights that just plain suck

in old WoW the attunements were pretty simple, and no one bitch that anyone coudl just go to naxx if they wanted to

Ony - Quest chain with last part being a 15/10 man depending on when you did UBRS
ZQ - None
AQ 20 - just needed gates open
MC - run BRD 5 man quest
BWL - 10 man Q
AQ40 - required BWL clears and items from 40 man world raid bosses, only needed to be done once buy 1 guild
Naxx - basicially no attunement, you could get the stuff from the AH or farm rep which you could SOLO, or do by running 5 mans

imagin if getting into Naxx required something from C'thun, 3/4 of the guilds that did naxx never killed him, guilds on my own server skipped AQ40 compleatly and went from BWL to Naxx just fine

having attunement partsy drop of end raid bosses is dumb, it compleatly goes against blzzards stance of making the game more accessable to casual players

 

[Xavier434]

I must say though that tossing in the legendary bow in the Sunwell instance is a real slap to the face for hunters considering very few will get the chance to step into the instance let alone clear it enough for the bow to drop. I felt the same way about Naxx when it came to Atiesh.

My guild is pretty good. We only play 4 hours a night twice a week and we were hit hard by the 40->25 man conversion at the beginning which stalled us until we merged with another guild. Since then progress has been pretty steady and we are now trying to kill Vashj. We have also downed Loot Rever and have experience with Al'ar. Personally, I hope to see Illidan before WotLK because not seeing him is like watching an excellent movie only to turn it off during the last 15 minutes just so you can start watching the sequel. I think Blizz understands that which is why they slowly make their raids easier as the game matures.

 

[OutHouse]

why does the alliance suck at BG???? i did 15 agrathi (sp) BG's yesterday and won only one. talk about frustrating.

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oh how does one pickup more than one BG daily? i saw a message on one of my windows that one can only do 10 a day. where do i get another after i win a battle?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Citrix
why does the alliance suck at BG???? i did 15 agrathi (sp) BG's yesterday and won only one. talk about frustrating.

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oh how does one pickup more than one BG daily? i saw a message on one of my windows that one can only do 10 a day. where do i get another after i win a battle?

That isn't how it works. You can only do one PvP daily quest per day since there is only one offered.

There are lots of daily quests (Ogrila, Netherwing, Heroic Daily, PvP Daily, etc). There are more than 10 total daily quests to pick up throughout Outlands. You can only do the individual daily quest once per day and you can only do a total of 10 different daily quests per day.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: Citrix
why does the alliance suck at BG???? i did 15 agrathi (sp) BG's yesterday and won only one. talk about frustrating.

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oh how does one pickup more than one BG daily? i saw a message on one of my windows that one can only do 10 a day. where do i get another after i win a battle?

I've been doing BGs for years as both alli and horde, and come to the conclusion that alliance simply defend too much. The horde aren't better players, older / more mature or more inclined to teamwork, though a lot of people make these claims. Horde pugs are just as bad as alliance pugs, but they assault rather than defend. That's the only difference. Of course, they have practice assaulting, so they do it better. Whereas the alliance, on the rare occasion they assault, tend to run around in a big ineffective zerg since they don't know any better.

 

[OutHouse]

ohhhhhh yea i was wondering.... i guess those others are for higher levels?

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Citrix
ohhhhhh yea i was wondering.... i guess those others are for higher levels?

Yes, you need a flying mount at minimum to reach all of them except the new ones from 2.3. The level restriction is 70 since you need to be 70 for a flying mount unless you are a druid since you get flight form at 68. However, I do not know if you can pick up the quests at 68 or not.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: CKent
I've been doing BGs for years as both alli and horde, and come to the conclusion that alliance simply defend too much. The horde aren't better players, older / more mature or more inclined to teamwork, though a lot of people make these claims. Horde pugs are just as bad as alliance pugs, but they assault rather than defend. That's the only difference. Of course, they have practice assaulting, so they do it better. Whereas the alliance, on the rare occasion they assault, tend to run around in a big ineffective zerg since they don't know any better.

You know, when I was playing my undead rogue in BGs waiting for the 2.3 patch, I spent some time watching how they play. Honestly, half the time, the Horde do the same dumb things that the Alliance do. But it seems that there are those cohesive players that tend to lead everyone... you only need one or two maybe a few to actually win a battleground against a poor opponent. But other than that, I watch AB and the Horde still fight away from the flags, they leave bases completely undefended (even after being told to keep x number of people at each base), they try bad zerg tactics, healers don't heal and more. They do the same dumb things! It's really just those handful of players that instead of trying to just kill people, they try to win.

One thing I do notice more in Horde PUGs is that there tends to be communication. Sometimes the good Alliance players will make comments like "Inc 3 ST" or "Inc 3 LM from ST". You can also get this same effect from one resource node warning another... when I'm stationed at LM, one of my duties (that I assign to myself) is watching the Farm, Stables and Blacksmith. If I see enemies at BS moving toward farm, I'll send out a warning. Also, in WSG, you will see people mention where the FC (denoted EFC as well) is going so your players can intercept. Also, a good flag carrier will tell his teammates where he is going. The point of this is even if your teammates are fighting in the middle, this fighting can keep enemies away from your FC as it runs up the left, right or middle. Some of this comes from practice... especially the terminology.

For example, the three ways someone can leave the base with a flag are ramp, tunnel and GY. These represent leaving via the left, middle and right respectively (note these directions are referencing standing in the base and facing the center of the map). Being able to accurately report where the enemy flag carrier is going (by saying "EFC tun(nel)" is very important to your team knowing where to go.

Also, there's one aspect that really hurts low-end BGs... twinks vs levelers. This isn't just an issue with twinks, but the twinks do tend to have talent specs that are built for PVP where a leveler tends to use a spec that's designed for leveling. For example, my undead rogue is spec'd in combat. Combat does have some PVP oriented talents such as Improved Kick or Improved Sprint. These talents themselves do not offer much in the way of leveling, which is why my undead does not have them. I cannot tell you how many bad situations I could've got out of if I had these two talents. I remember specifically carrying a flag and being on the roof of the Horde base. A single twink mage came up and killed me... because I blinded him after he frost nova'd me. I couldn't Vanish, because I believe it was on cooldown. I thought the blind had saved me, but no... every damn twink has the trinket and it removed the blind. He just killed me in two hits .

 

[Lamont Burns]

Originally posted by: CKent


I've been doing BGs for years as both alli and horde, and come to the conclusion that alliance simply defend too much. The horde aren't better players, older / more mature or more inclined to teamwork, though a lot of people make these claims. Horde pugs are just as bad as alliance pugs, but they assault rather than defend. That's the only difference. Of course, they have practice assaulting, so they do it better. Whereas the alliance, on the rare occasion they assault, tend to run around in a big ineffective zerg since they don't know any better.

I have the same time spent over 3 years alliance and horde too, and my experience is that horde pugs say 18 months ago were severely better than alliance pugs on the 2 servers(pvp) i played on. premades were pretty much even.

Once cross server started, rerolls, new servers, xpac, BGs imo are pretty much the same on both sides. you either have teams that want to win for a fun BG, or one team or both that just don't care. passive honor, afk, not healing, sitting around stealth, etc. It's just not what it once was.

It's the endless honor grind with 4 BGs and now arena... BGs are not the focus they used to be. It's get the resil/stam gear to enter Arena.

I definitely do agree that for a long time, Horde were just straight more aggressive, and in a mindless moronic battle of confused people, that wins >50% of the time. Paladins were uber defensive and could use bubble after bubble, Horde had shamans doing 30/0/21 burst and pre-nerf WF rocking unstoppable forces.

 

[Zbox]

I have to agree that cross realm BGs completely changed battleground pvp...

On Stormreaver, the horde went from winning 80+% of all games in any given battleground to less than 30% win rate and even less in AV after the cross realm battlegrounds were implemented. I basically hate cross realms due to that fact...

 

[OutHouse]

oh forgot to mention i went on my first raid sat night. we trashed some horde town in the Barrens. we had a raid group of about 15 and it was a lot of fun. well until word got out and about a dozen lvl 70 horde's flew in and we had to run for it.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Citrix
oh forgot to mention i went on my first raid sat night. we trashed some horde town in the Barrens. we had a raid group of about 15 and it was a lot of fun. well until word got out and about a dozen lvl 70 horde's flew in and we had to run for it.

I remember raiding Crossroads as a L45. At the time there were only a few 60s on the server so retaliation wasn't that bad

 

[mattpegher]

Ever since the expansion my guild have all reached 70 and no one is doing any of the lower level dungeons. The problem I find is that without raids and doing dungeons at heroic level you never seem to get any decent gear. When I do any dungeons all I seem to get is green gear a few levels lower than what I already have? I understand the need for endgame but how am I supposed to get any decent gear at 62 when all the guild is 70 doing raids.