The Avengers' record $200.3 million box office open

[Adul]

thank joss whedon for making this movie great

I second that. I saw it twice I enjoyed it so much. My favorite scene, Hulk owning Loki.

 

[SP33Demon]

Avengers is way over-hyped right now, just like TDK was (was #1 on IMDB after the first weekend @ something like 9.4 and way ahead of Shawshank and The Godfather and has since sunk down to a respectable #8)

there's just too many plot holes and conveniences (like Thor showing up out of nowhere), as well as absurdities like how Phil Coulson "dying", an otherwise insignificant character, was the one trigger needed to get the team to get their shit together, as if the fate of the world wasn't enough?

Or how they way overplayed the value of regular humans like Black Widow and Hawkeye and portrayed them as near-equals to the likes of Thor or Hulk. Way too much of a pandering to children going on for me to rate this anywhere near the likes of Spiderman 2 or TDK or Begins or even Iron Man 1.

Its an amazing action movie, but its far from coming close to perfection.

Its a popcorn movie. Maybe one of the best ever in that regard, but certainly not one of the best comic book movies.

Thor was already explained earlier in the movie, Coulson's death was hyped by Nick Fury and his play on the Cap Am cards, also it was the first and only upper ranking casualty that Loki caused. Black Widow and Hawkeye needed to be saved a couple times, and esp Black Widow got tired. Just about the only cheese-wiz was Black Widow hopping on the speeder that was moving @100mph+, but then again you could say the pilots who weren't harnessed in = cheese wiz.

You may as well complain about Stark not losing consciousness when spinning as fast as the engine rotor if you are going to be that picky. Why bother, it was an action flick built on a lack of verisimilitude.

 

[Aikouka]

there's just too many plot holes and conveniences (like Thor showing up out of nowhere)

Thor was sent by Odin to bring Loke back to Asgard. They didn't outright explain it in every bit of detail, because honestly... that's really boring. They explained it by Loke saying how difficult it must have been to get Thor to Earth, and Thor's incessant prattling about how he Loke must be brought to Asgard for his crimes.

as well as absurdities like how Phil Coulson "dying", an otherwise insignificant character

He wasn't a superhero, but he's a rather memorable character that has been in every Marvel-based (i.e. not Spider-Man, X-Men or Fantastic Four) movie. People in the theater seemed rather bummed at him dying.

His demise didn't affect their ultimate goal of trying to stop Loke. It essentially gave them the kick in the pants that they needed to stop bickering amongst each other. You see it during the fight in New York City how they're working each character's strength to their advantage. Captain America has always been more of a strategist, and you see him barking out orders, which is what he pretty much did in his own movie to take down Red Skull.

Or how they way overplayed the value of regular humans like Black Widow and Hawkeye and portrayed them as near-equals to the likes of Thor or Hulk.

Yes, they certainly made them out to be better than normal humans, but they're supposed to be. Black Widow is really not much different from Batman with less gadgets. She's heavy in rather agile martial arts, and it shows given that's the majority of what she does. Hawkeye is shown to be fairly decent at hand-to-hand (or hand-to-bow ) combat, but his ability is as an archer and his sharpshooting capability. He also has more gadgets built into his arrows.

Although, I never got the feeling that any of them could take on one of the superheroes. Did you see what happened when The Hulk went on a rampage against Black Widow? If Thor didn't come in, Black Widow probably would have died.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

there's just too many plot holes and conveniences (like Thor showing up out of nowhere), as well as absurdities like how Phil Coulson "dying", an otherwise insignificant character, was the one trigger needed to get the team to get their shit together, as if the fate of the world wasn't enough?

Or how they way overplayed the value of regular humans like Black Widow and Hawkeye and portrayed them as near-equals to the likes of Thor or Hulk. Way too much of a pandering to children going on for me to rate this anywhere near the likes of Spiderman 2 or TDK or Begins or even Iron Man 1.

I know everyone has their own opinions or whatever, but if they want to nitpick, at least find things worthy of nitpicking about.

-Thor showing up out of nowhere wasn't a big deal at all. His father is a very powerful god and used his own powers to send him to Earth (the planet Thor cares about and vows to protect) in a time of dire need. Hardly "convenient."

-Coulson may have been "insignificant" to some viewers but played a key role in The Avengers Initiative (aka: recruiting them in the other movies) and was a very likable character to the super heroes. It's not a stretch to have them emotionally attached to him at least somewhat.

-Hawkeye and Black Widow were not regular humans..... They have their own powers or above human level "abilities" of their own. Of course they aren't as powerful as Thor or Hulk, but they are certainly not regular humans. Far from it really.

-And of course they pandered towards kids. Most Marvel comics are somewhat PG-13sh anyway. What did you expect? Most comics are made to cater to a wide age range of people. And complaining that Avengers caters more to kids than TDK is completely laughable. No one said Avengers was an R rated comic book or that comic books in general are supposed to be brutally violent for that matter.

Your complaints don't really have much substance. Come on now. It's one thing to just not be into it, and it's another thing to complain about things for the sake of complaining. Sheesh.

 

[Jaskalas]

God the terrible things I would do to that woman.

My aim would be to have her purring like a kitten.

 

[SP33Demon]

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/04/30/the-avengers-movie-wasp/

Would have been interesting to see Janet Van Dyne in this movie, but Scarjo and Fury's 2nd in command (cobie smulder) made up for it in the eye candy dept. Maybe sometime in the future, or just have a spin off with antman.

 

[blankslate]

My aim would be to have her purring like a kitten.

Maybe it's "terrible and bad bad things" that make her purr... :twisted:

 

[Ichinisan]

Yea, I'm curious as to what he thinks is the best one, and since The Avengers is "not even close", what other super-hero movies are better.

Batman Begins, the first Iron Man, Spiderman, Spiderman 2.

 

[Poulsonator]

Batman Begins, the first Iron Man, Spiderman, Spiderman 2.

While I disagree with this, putting The Avengers at #5 on your list is still pretty close to being the best. Closer to the top than the bottom.

 

[SP33Demon]

While I disagree with this, putting The Avengers at #5 on your list is still pretty close to being the best. Closer to the top than the bottom.

Especially considering none of the action scenes, nor leading ladies held a candle to avengers action + scarjo. It'd have to win on story and acting alone, where only Iron Man one can compete... that being said, the same actor was in Avengers so it's a moot point.

 

[Ichinisan]

While I disagree with this, putting The Avengers at #5 on your list is still pretty close to being the best. Closer to the top than the bottom.

I would also throw in the first two X-Men movies. A lot of people rate 300 highly, but I didn't care for it.

The Avengers wasn't bad. It was great fun. Not my favorite, though.

My fave was actually Road to Perdition.

 

[phreaqe]

I saw it yesterday and i have to say it was pretty freaking awesome. The only thing that kind of left me scratching my head was

Spoiler

how the Hulk went from out of control to in control with no explanation. He almost kills Black Widow and then the next time he changes he is in control and everything is ok.

The rest of the stuff someone else complained up a few posts ago was all stuff that they did not explain in detail, but explained enough so you at least knew it as you were watching it.

 

[sactoking]

I saw it yesterday and i have to say it was pretty freaking awesome. The only thing that kind of left me scratching my head was

Spoiler

how the Hulk went from out of control to in control with no explanation. He almost kills Black Widow and then the next time he changes he is in control and everything is ok.

The rest of the stuff someone else complained up a few posts ago was all stuff that they did not explain in detail, but explained enough so you at least knew it as you were watching it.

Spoiler

I took away that it was a continuation of Banner's work in the Hulk movie: he had learned to control the rage and had had episodes as the Hulk where he wasn't purely brutal (see rescuing Liv Tyler). His problem early on in Avengers was his mindset, that he feared the change and the fear made him lose control. He realized that he didn't need to fear the beast and was able to control it.

 

[Aikouka]

The only thing that kind of left me scratching my head was

Spoiler

how the Hulk went from out of control to in control with no explanation. He almost kills Black Widow and then the next time he changes he is in control and everything is ok.

It's just my thought, but consider the different scenarios that you mention.

Spoiler

In the first, Bruce was blown out of the laboratory after Black Widow told him everything would be fine. Everything's not fine... deep down, he's pissed at her for lying to him. In the second, Bruce is in complete control of his emotions. He even states that the way he is able to typically (a strong emphasis here) control himself is that he's always angry. It could simply be a matter of anger redirection... he's angry at silly aliens trying to take over Earth. You get a glimpse that it's not perfect when he punches Thor after taking down the weird turtle-y worm thing. It shows that the Green Hulk, regardless of how much control Bruce has, will always be a bit out of control.

 

[zinfamous]

well fuck me. now I guess I better go see it. It was good? Most of the other movies for those characters involved were pretty shitty.

 

[busydude]

Does not live up to the hype. I still don't understand why this movie is being rated so highly. That said, it was entertaining.. and I'd say worth a watch.

 

[Poulsonator]

Does not live up to the hype. I still don't understand why this movie is being rated so highly. That said, it was entertaining.. and I'd say worth a watch.

The movie is being rated so highly because it's done extremely well and is a lot of fun. Exactly what a summer blockbuster / comic book movie is supposed to be. Never in history have we seen a movie like this, where an ensemble cast, built-up over 6 other movies, was executed damn-near perfectly. Marvel / Disney / etc. really took a chance with the way this was done over the years, and it paid off in spades, thanks to Joss Whedon's vision.

I think it not only lives up to the hype, but blows it out of the water.

 

[Adrenaline]

The Hulk

Spoiler

Banner said that he tried putting a bullet in his mouth and The Hulk spit it out. The Hulk is a built in defense mechanism for him as well as a controlled one. He said his secret is that he is always angry and thus always on the verge of a transformation. You will see either the self preserving Hulk, like on the ship, or the self controlled Hulk, like at the end. How a transformation happens is also "who" has more control.

Fantastic action movie.

 

[bfdd]

as someone with a little bit of "insider information" you guys are high if you think DKR is going to make anywhere near the amount of Avengers. It won't have the international push behind it like Avengers had. The news about the hubbub over it from the international release really helped promote the Avengers up and above where it would have been with a domestic release first. Speculation wise, had Avengers been released domestically first it'd probably have been closer to 100m than 200m.

 

[Adrenaline]

as someone with a little bit of "insider information" you guys are high if you think DKR is going to make anywhere near the amount of Avengers. It won't have the international push behind it like Avengers had. The news about the hubbub over it from the international release really helped promote the Avengers up and above where it would have been with a domestic release first. Speculation wise, had Avengers been released domestically first it'd probably have been closer to 100m than 200m.

The Avengers would have done $150m easy if it opened here. They had five previous movies build up to this. Reviews were pouring in before it opened overseas about how well done it was. I don't know anyone that pays attention to what happens overseas with movies. When I mentioned to the people I work with about the overseas opening a week ahead they were surprised.

TDKR will not come close.

 

[Bird222]

It's just my thought, but consider the different scenarios that you mention.

Spoiler

You get a glimpse that it's not perfect when he punches Thor after taking down the weird turtle-y worm thing. It shows that the Green Hulk, regardless of how much control Bruce has, will always be a bit out of control.

From what I was told it was kind of a shoutout to the cartoon because apparently Thor and the Hulk don't get along. Who is the guy at the end in the bonus scene?

 

[waggy]

From what I was told it was kind of a shoutout to the cartoon because apparently Thor and the Hulk don't get along. Who is the guy at the end in the bonus scene?

they do and don't. its a weird relationship.

the purple guy is Thanos! one of the baddest beings in the universe.

 

[waggy]

The Hulk

Spoiler

Banner said that he tried putting a bullet in his mouth and The Hulk spit it out. The Hulk is a built in defense mechanism for him as well as a controlled one. He said his secret is that he is always angry and thus always on the verge of a transformation. You will see either the self preserving Hulk, like on the ship, or the self controlled Hulk, like at the end. How a transformation happens is also "who" has more control.

Fantastic action movie.

Even when the "hulk" was in total control he still did the "right" thing. also in all his rampaging he never killed a innocent *(was mentioned in a comic) person.

long as they don't bring out the grey hulk. i didn't like him heh

 

[Cuda1447]

Not only did I think Avengers was excellent, I thought it was fucking excellent on just about every level. Story. Great. Very few plot holes, if any at all. Action scenes, awesome! Eye-Candy, ScarJo.

I really liked how the characters were true to their original movie counterparts. And the fact that they had this vision all along, leading all the movies together to this point, is brilliant.

The movie is quite funny as well.

I personally think this is one of the best movies I've seen in quite a long time. I think they are making a sequel? I'm cautiously excited. Sequels usually are no where near as good, but everyone involved in this movie seemed to be at the top of their game so hopefully they will keep that going into the next one.

 

[phreaqe]

It's just my thought, but consider the different scenarios that you mention.

Spoiler

In the first, Bruce was blown out of the laboratory after Black Widow told him everything would be fine. Everything's not fine... deep down, he's pissed at her for lying to him. In the second, Bruce is in complete control of his emotions. He even states that the way he is able to typically (a strong emphasis here) control himself is that he's always angry. It could simply be a matter of anger redirection... he's angry at silly aliens trying to take over Earth. You get a glimpse that it's not perfect when he punches Thor after taking down the weird turtle-y worm thing. It shows that the Green Hulk, regardless of how much control Bruce has, will always be a bit out of control.

That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

You just took away my only complaint about the movie, so now i love it even more. Its going to be a long wait for it to come out on dvd so i can watch it again.